Liverpool FC Forum

Reg » Tue May 22, 2012 1:48 pm wrote:Problem is there's no one at LFC with an standing to 'sell' the club to a new manager! Everyones' gone, all cleaned out over the last 3 years. After Ayres, thjere's no one, no football experinece, the new manager will walk into a managementless environment. How alien for LFC to described so.

Agreed Reg. It's been very disappointing and any manager would be wary about coming into that sort of environment. The question is - do you about the manager first and build the rest of the team with his input or do you start appointing other members first and then use their expertise to get a new manager in?

I think it'll be AVB personally. I think FSG wanted him last season but it didn't materialise.

fivecups » Tue May 22, 2012 2:04 pm wrote:
Capello's 65. We don't need short-termism followed by yet another 5 year plan rebuilding project with a new manager. I don't give a Sh*t if we don't win anything for the next few years, as long as we're laying the foundations for a sustained return to the top level, with stability at ownership, board and manager level - that is what we should be aspiring to. I think the owners know that. Of course the next manager is unlikely to for 15 years (I hope he is though, because it will mean he's successful), and of course I'm not saying he should have a contract for that long, but what is ludicrous is to appoint someone whose going to be here for 2-3 years and then retire. I'm sure you know who last managed us for a 15 year stint?

shankly wouldnt have been in a job for 15 years with these whoppers we have supporting us now mate.
i`m not interested in 5 years plans and laying the foundations and all that orwellian management double speak, i`ve heard it all before, houllier was a master of it. look at our last grand plan, comoli`s appointment as a DoF was supposed to take player recruitment in this country out of the stone age and into the stats age but that `radical new philosophy that will change the face of english football` didnt even last a year.
every club says the same things about putting in place structures and all that malarky, half the time its like listening to tony blair go on about the nhs, you find fans even using blair-ite inspired terms these days, half of them are just sounbytes that sound good but mean f**k all.
if capello can take us forward then i`d have him, if he retires in 4 or 5 years then so be it, the way we are going through managers in the last 2 years 5 years in the managers chair is an eternity.

stmichael » Tue May 22, 2012 3:23 pm wrote:I think it'll be AVB personally. I think FSG wanted him last season but it didn't materialise.

F'ucks sake ,  despite his success in Portugal surely the powers that be will look at his abysmal performance as a manager in the Premier League. Completely lost the confidence and support of the Chelsea dressing room, the guy just didn't command respect. I doubt it would be much different at LFC .

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 22, 2012 2:08 pm wrote:

jacdaniel » Tue May 22, 2012 1:50 pm wrote:For me it should really be Rafa.

He wants the job, has a fantastic CV and is still relatively young.

the club dont want to even interview him mate
it`s a joke really, he is basically being punished for performing miracles here.
what i want to know is who is advising the club? probably some london consultancy firm full of university educated whoppers who grew up playing tennis and watching the boat race.
i think i`d rather have billy beane back calling the shots.

Do bbwe really know that is true that the club don't want to interview him? Could be just another smoke screen.

devaney » Tue May 22, 2012 3:52 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 22, 2012 2:08 pm wrote:

jacdaniel » Tue May 22, 2012 1:50 pm wrote:For me it should really be Rafa.

He wants the job, has a fantastic CV and is still relatively young.

the club dont want to even interview him mate
it`s a joke really, he is basically being punished for performing miracles here.
what i want to know is who is advising the club? probably some london consultancy firm full of university educated whoppers who grew up playing tennis and watching the boat race.
i think i`d rather have billy beane back calling the shots.

Do bbwe really know that is true that the club don't want to interview him? Could be just another smoke screen.

Rafa won't get the job

woof woof ! » Tue May 22, 2012 3:43 pm wrote:

stmichael » Tue May 22, 2012 3:23 pm wrote:I think it'll be AVB personally. I think FSG wanted him last season but it didn't materialise.

F'ucks sake ,  despite his success in Portugal surely the powers that be will look at his abysmal performance as a manager in the Premier League. Completely lost the confidence and support of the Chelsea dressing room, the guy just didn't command respect. I doubt it would be much different at LFC .

neither did scolari who's a top manager and world cup winner. i think it says more about the club and the personalities there than anything else.

personally i don't care if he got sacked by chelsea. he's just joined an elite group including mourinho ancelotti et al. it doesn't all of a sudden make him a bad manager. rafa lasted 6 months at inter. it happens in football.

just wish we would hurry up , i wouldnt of minded kenny being dispossed of if they had an ace up there sleeve like jose or pep but were scratching around for someone now. We go on about building for the future but surely thats what kenny was in the middle of? 16 months into the job and we were playing better football and got to 2 cup finals , ok the league position wasnt what we all wanted but 4rth wouldnt have got us CL football anyway. All Kenny could have acheived in reality was 2 cups and european qualification and he did that and then push on again this season to better the last.

Cappello ? no thanks , might be a great reader of the game but not one for our future rebuild surely ,and i cant understand a word form his mouth
AVB ? unsure maybe chelsea was just a bad experiance and we would be getting a great manager
Rafa ? makes us hard to beat and has he got unfinished business with us ?
Martinez ? unproven for me as all he has done is beat the drop and is he any better than kenny ?
Rijkard ? Yes id have him as he started the barcalona revamp last time

But whoever it is i'll be behind him and the team just make an appointment !!!

Louis Van Gaal would be interesting. He is a bit of a nutter and would fall out with the press worse than Kenny but he has won the league with all 4 teams he has managed (Ajax, Barcelona, AZ and Bayern Munich) and plays attacking football. But he wouldn’t last more than a couple of years as he falls out with everyone. The maverick choice!

stmichael » Tue May 22, 2012 3:59 pm wrote:

woof woof ! » Tue May 22, 2012 3:43 pm wrote:

stmichael » Tue May 22, 2012 3:23 pm wrote:I think it'll be AVB personally. I think FSG wanted him last season but it didn't materialise.

F'ucks sake ,  despite his success in Portugal surely the powers that be will look at his abysmal performance as a manager in the Premier League. Completely lost the confidence and support of the Chelsea dressing room, the guy just didn't command respect. I doubt it would be much different at LFC .

neither did scolari who's a top manager and world cup winner. i think it says more about the club and the personalities there than anything else.

personally i don't care if he got sacked by chelsea. he's just joined an elite group including mourinho ancelotti et al. it doesn't all of a sudden make him a bad manager. rafa lasted 6 months at inter. it happens in football.

So what you're saying is lot's of managers go to Chelsea and get sacked , fair enough, still doesn't address the fact that failure to command respect would be any different for AVB at LFC. Can you really see seasoned internationals like Gerrard, Reina, Skrtl, Agger and Suarez etc etc  taking him seriously, especially when/if things go wrong ? No f'ucking way.

Nail my colours to the mast right now. AVB needs ten more years of management experience before he can even hope to attempt a successful management of a club of our stature.

AVB unveiled on the BBC alongside a DOF by FSG 

its either going to come down to avb or martinez imo,fsg dont seem to be interested in anyone else.
both of those make a right pair of tits but are able to stand in front of the media and thats more important to fsg than football at the moment.
documentary highlighting a club thats falling down the pecking order gets new manager and owners determined to put us back on top,hollywood stuff its going to be.

devaney » Tue May 22, 2012 3:52 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 22, 2012 2:08 pm wrote:

jacdaniel » Tue May 22, 2012 1:50 pm wrote:the club dont want to even interview him mate
it`s a joke really, he is basically being punished for performing miracles here.
what i want to know is who is advising the club? probably some london consultancy firm full of university educated whoppers who grew up playing tennis and watching the boat race.
i think i`d rather have billy beane back calling the shots.

Do bbwe really know that is true that the club don't want to interview him? Could be just another smoke screen.

Rafa won't get the job

Are you as sure about that as you were of kenny not being sacked? In that case Rafa's a dead cert. 

You campaigning for the return of someone who 24 months ago you were demanding to be sacked ?

Do you have a point on this forum ?

And Rafa won't be coming back because p.ricks like you ruined his relationship with the club

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 22, 2012 2:27 pm wrote:

fivecups » Tue May 22, 2012 2:04 pm wrote:
Capello's 65. We don't need short-termism followed by yet another 5 year plan rebuilding project with a new manager. I don't give a Sh*t if we don't win anything for the next few years, as long as we're laying the foundations for a sustained return to the top level, with stability at ownership, board and manager level - that is what we should be aspiring to. I think the owners know that. Of course the next manager is unlikely to for 15 years (I hope he is though, because it will mean he's successful), and of course I'm not saying he should have a contract for that long, but what is ludicrous is to appoint someone whose going to be here for 2-3 years and then retire. I'm sure you know who last managed us for a 15 year stint?

shankly wouldnt have been in a job for 15 years with these whoppers we have supporting us now mate.
i`m not interested in 5 years plans and laying the foundations and all that orwellian management double speak, i`ve heard it all before, houllier was a master of it. look at our last grand plan, comoli`s appointment as a DoF was supposed to take player recruitment in this country out of the stone age and into the stats age but that `radical new philosophy that will change the face of english football` didnt even last a year.
every club says the same things about putting in place structures and all that malarky, half the time its like listening to tony blair go on about the nhs, you find fans even using blair-ite inspired terms these days, half of them are just sounbytes that sound good but mean f**k all.
if capello can take us forward then i`d have him, if he retires in 4 or 5 years then so be it, the way we are going through managers in the last 2 years 5 years in the managers chair is an eternity.

YC - you can label it political babble or whatever you want, it's just common sense for anyone who wants us back where we should be. Look at most successful clubs, stability and continuity are key. It's either that or sell the club to a sugar-daddy if they can find one, and I for one have no interest in going down that route. I doubt Capello would even stay for five years and if he did, in no time we're back to the same situation we're in now. Absolutely pointless in appointing someone who cannot stay for the long-term and while he's a top quality manager, he's simply too old. We should look at Bielsa.