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All managers make errors in the transfer market though, I don't see how you can hold that against the man? Every single manager who have ever managed a team has made poor purchases in the transfer market.

LFC2007 » Thu May 17, 2012 8:35 pm wrote:Out of interest, how much top level managerial experience did Rafa have before taking over at Valencia? And what about Guardiola before he took the reigns of the Barcelona first team? I believe the answer is none at all.

Those who are dismayed by the fact that we've even considered Martinez for the manager's job cite Hodgson as being a reason to avoid managers who lack top level experience in our search for a new manager, but there are several counter-examples -- like the two above -- that prove previous top level managerial experience not to be necessary provided it's made up for in other ways. If there's a really compelling candidate out there who lacks experience then we should consider what they have to offer instead of automatically refusing to consider them for the job. Martinez is one of a number who might fall into that category. There are others, including Rafa, who on the face of it I would take ahead of him, but I'd still take the time to go and interview him and few others who wouldn't all be ex-La Liga and European cup winners.

guardiola was an internal appointment like bob, joe and kenny, he`d played for the club, captained the club and was comfortable in those surroundings.
valencia in spanish terms are a spurs, villa or everton sized club, exactly the type of club martinez should be looking to join to further his career.

Lets face facts here although Martinez plays thoughtful progressive football, would he receive the patience needed to completely revitalise this
Liverpool team ? I believe he wouldn't, as patience is a commodity this new breed of football fan sees as being nothing more than convenient
stalling tactics .

RED BEERGOGGLES » Thu May 17, 2012 8:36 pm wrote:

burjennio » Thu May 17, 2012 8:32 pm wrote:He may not have had alot to spend, but his one big transfer was a bit of a shocker:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauro_Boselli

Wow!! Martinez  must have been physic the way that fella tore up  Premiership defences   :laugh:

Now wait until you read what Tim Vickery wrote about him in reply to a Wigan fan prior to the start of the 2010/11 season:

Q) I'm interested in how you think Mauro Boselli will do in the Premier League for my team Wigan Athletic next season. In the clips I've seen of him on youtube.com, he looks pretty good but many a player has looked good from their goal clips and turned out to be poor.
John Lowe

A) I'll be happy to be proved wrong but I'll be surprised if he's a success. He's an out-and-out goalscorer - he doesn't offer anything outside the penalty area. I suppose you might compare him to Miroslav Klose in a way - not particularly big, strong or skilful but he has that penalty area nose.

With Estudiantes, Boselli was playing in front of the best midfield in South America. So there were lots of chances, he put a few away and his confidence soared. He is now in a much stronger league but not one of the strongest teams. He might struggle - and if he's not scoring, he doesn't do much else.

SOURCE: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2010/07/spain_or_barcelona_no_contest.html?postid=98527705

Vickery knew he'd be a failure, and stated repeatedly on World Football Phone-in that he was perplexed by the move, yet Martinez was convinced and sanctioned the signing who would later be voted by the Wigan fans as "the worst foreign signing in the clubs history." It doesnt exactly instill confidence in what he could do with a far bigger transfer budget when the first time he got the opportunity to flex a bit on financial muscle he failed so spectacularly.

15 pages of how we don't want Martinez and he hasn't even started yet. I can see this turning into another Roy situation if he doesn't get off to a good start. Personally I wanted Rafa back or at worst AVB or Capello. I also think Martinez is a bit of a gamble tbh but if he gets the job he deserves a chance, just as any player/manager gets here.

And another thing, about this odd "money making agenda" line that some people are coming out with. For what other reason would FSG have bought our club other than as money-making opportunity? The days of owners honestly sharing the same passion for the game and for the club as the fans are long gone. The only question concerns how our owners intend to make money from the club and whether it entails success on the pitch. I happen to believe that it probably does otherwise how else are they going to increase the value of the club to a level that enables them to make a big enough return on their investment? The only sustainable way to do so is to have success on the pitch. So far as we know, the financial structure of the club remains broadly as it was when they took over, so we have no reason to be concerned that they are going to follow he path G&H took. Invariably the most valuable clubs are those that have had the most sustained success on the pitch, so there is every reason for them to appoint a manager who they believe can deliver that success.

burjennio » Thu May 17, 2012 8:49 pm wrote:
Vickery knew he'd be a failure, and stated repeatedly on World Football Phone-in that he was perplexed by the move, yet Martinez was convinced and sanctioned the signing who would later be voted by the Wigan fans as "the worst foreign signing in the clubs history." It doesnt exactly instill confidence in what he could do with a far bigger transfer budget when the first time he got the opportunity to flex a bit on financial muscle he failed so spectacularly.

Now that doesn't say a great deal for his perception of what a striker should be ....rather damning indictment that .
The owners perception of what makes a good enough manager for Liverpool even more so mate .

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu May 17, 2012 8:42 pm wrote:guardiola was an internal appointment like bob, joe and kenny, he`d played for the club, captained the club and was comfortable in those surroundings.
valencia in spanish terms are a spurs, villa or everton sized club, exactly the type of club martinez should be looking to join to further his career.

The internal appointment of a man whose managerial experience was limited to the Barcelona B team.

Rafa went from managing three second division sides, two of them to promotion, to managing a Valencia side that had reached consecutive Champions League finals in the two seasons immediately prior to his appointment. That's arguably as big a jump as the one Martinez would be making were he to join us.

Relatively inexperienced men can take on big jobs and have success.

I do love those Liverpool supporters who were 100% behind Kenny and who were behaving as though they are the model supporter and everyone should take a leaf out of their book and who are now turning on our owners and are scoring the names of possible replacements? Yes they really are the model supporters? The same set of supporters who endlessly criticised Benitez, who slated Roy even before his press conference, who initially saw Broughton as a fraud only to have egg on their face after he screwed Hicks and Gillett over. These supporters are just as bad as the ones who constantly criticise and are never happy, the difference is these supporters don't have a holier-than-thou, pompous, cretinous attitude problem.

LFC2007 » Thu May 17, 2012 9:01 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu May 17, 2012 8:42 pm wrote:guardiola was an internal appointment like bob, joe and kenny, he`d played for the club, captained the club and was comfortable in those surroundings.
valencia in spanish terms are a spurs, villa or everton sized club, exactly the type of club martinez should be looking to join to further his career.

The internal appointment of a man whose managerial experience was limited to the Barcelona B team.

Rafa went from managing three second division sides, two of them to promotion, to managing a Valencia side that had reached consecutive Champions League finals in the two seasons immediately prior to his appointment. That's arguably as big a jump as the one Martinez would be making were he to join us.

Relatively inexperienced men can take on big jobs and have success.

do you think man united will replace ferguson with a wigan manager? dont bother answering that because i`ll tell you the answer - they wont, because managing a club like united and us is miles away from managing a wigan.
steve bruce has a better record at wigan than martinez, shall we sign him?

RED BEERGOGGLES » Thu May 17, 2012 8:58 pm wrote:

burjennio » Thu May 17, 2012 8:49 pm wrote:
Vickery knew he'd be a failure, and stated repeatedly on World Football Phone-in that he was perplexed by the move, yet Martinez was convinced and sanctioned the signing who would later be voted by the Wigan fans as "the worst foreign signing in the clubs history." It doesnt exactly instill confidence in what he could do with a far bigger transfer budget when the first time he got the opportunity to flex a bit on financial muscle he failed so spectacularly.

Now that doesn't say a great deal for his perception of what a striker should be ....rather damning indictment that .
The owners perception of what makes a good enough manager for Liverpool even more so mate .

Is it really that damning an indictment of Martinez' talent-spotting ability? Any more damning than, say, the signing of Robbie Keane for £20m, of Dossena for £7m, or Aquilani for £18m? I'm not sure myself, particularly given that i) he's just one signing and ii) clubs like Wigan don't have as much pulling power to bid for proven strikers, thus forcing them to take greater risks on players like Boselli who they can afford and are prepared to join them.

If we're going to judge the guy's transfer record then let's at least be fair and look at the whole of it.

Boxscarf » Thu May 17, 2012 10:08 pm wrote:I do love those Liverpool supporters who were 100% behind Kenny and who were behaving as though they are the model supporter and everyone should take a leaf out of their book and who are now turning on our owners and are scoring the names of possible replacements? Yes they really are the model supporters? The same set of supporters who endlessly criticised Benitez, who slated Roy even before his press conference, who initially saw Broughton as a fraud only to have egg on their face after he screwed Hicks and Gillett over. These supporters are just as bad as the ones who constantly criticise and are never happy, the difference is these supporters don't have a holier-than-thou, pompous, cretinous attitude problem.

say that again but this time try and be a little bit more patronising

Please humour me ...does it not concern people that although Wigan have some very talented ball players they have done nothing anything more than
stave of relegation after conceding an exorbitant amount of goals for the best part of three seasons ?
They regularly go from one extreme to another ,I mean seriously would any Reds fan accept a trouncing on the scale his Wigan team are consistently
on the end of ?

Under his guidance Wigan have been on the receiving end of both an 8-0 and 9-1 hammering 

Seriously
I have heard Ayre twice say that the owners are taking advice from top experts regarding the new manager
Who are they talking to?
Who is it that is giving this advice?
Our future depends on these experts so who the fu'ck are they?