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Kharhaz » Thu May 17, 2012 8:30 pm wrote:

red till i die!! » Thu May 17, 2012 8:27 pm wrote:

Kharhaz » Thu May 17, 2012 8:21 pm wrote:Martinez, why not? A lot of people are saying god no ! but why not? look at how he got Wigan playing. He got his team playing brilliant football, beating the top teams and kept Wigan up. What more do people want? We have gone with the more experienced managers and it hasn't worked, so why not go for Martinez?

be honest and tell us then what you thought of martinez before christmas?.
if his team was playing brilliant football then why were they involved in relegation battles in the last 3 years with martinez at the helm?.
what do you think realistically we will achieve with him being our manager?.

Honestly? I really didn't take any notice. But as for the relegation battle, they are Wigan, they are one of the teams you expect to be battling relegation. If we appoint him I will be pleased. I think it will be a good move, no he hasn't got the experience but like I said, we have had experience in charge and that hasn't worked out great either. Im all for the move.

thats exactly it and you wernt alone either as no one noticed him.the fact that he has beaten a few top teams to save wigan from relegation over the last 2 months is what has him flavour of the month.
it doesnt really matter what club it is as the other clubs that got relegated or almost did,spent nothing either.there is only 5-6 clubs in the prem league that do spend and the rest dont.everton,westbrom,bolton,blackburn,wolves,villa,etc etc spend fook all and most of them dont have the backing of a wealthy sports chain.
he does come across as a likeable guy but that isnt good enough alone to get this job and as he doesnt have any winning experience or a winning mentality imo.he might build us a side over the next 3-4 years with the right financial backing but we dont know that and putting him in the hotseat now is like walking in to the local bookies and slapping your wages on a random nag because you like the look of him.
we are not in a position to gamble and so many of our fans complain of mediocrity but are willing to give this lad a shot for the sake of it.
im not against martinez but i am against the club gambling on this.

Only Benitez would offer scant consolation for the abject failure of FSG in not ignoring  the medias clamour for Dalglish's head on a platter.
Shame on them .

Villa don't spend money? Didn't Darren Bent cost them £24m?

burjennio » Thu May 17, 2012 8:30 pm wrote:

red till i die!! » Thu May 17, 2012 7:27 pm wrote:

Kharhaz » Thu May 17, 2012 8:21 pm wrote:Martinez, why not? A lot of people are saying god no ! but why not? look at how he got Wigan playing. He got his team playing brilliant football, beating the top teams and kept Wigan up. What more do people want? We have gone with the more experienced managers and it hasn't worked, so why not go for Martinez?

be honest and tell us then what you thought of martinez before christmas?.
if his team was playing brilliant football then why were they involved in relegation battles in the last 3 years with martinez at the helm?.
what do you think realistically we will achieve with him being our manager?.

Dude - they're in relegation battle because they are a tiny club that spends no money. The days when Steve Bruce used to talk uncle Dave into loosening the purse strings to buy half a dozen nameless South Americans for multi millions is long gone

oh like the teams around them have been spending billions.
none of the teams in the bottom half of the prem spend much and thats why they are constantly in the bottom half of the league every year.

red till i die!! » Thu May 17, 2012 7:56 pm wrote:
thats exactly it and you wernt alone either as no one noticed him.the fact that he has beaten a few top teams to save wigan from relegation over the last 2 months is what has him flavour of the month.
it doesnt really matter what club it is as the other clubs that got relegated or almost did,spent nothing either.there is only 5-6 clubs in the prem league that do spend and the rest dont.everton,westbrom,bolton,blackburn,wolves,villa,etc etc spend fook all and most of them dont have the backing of a wealthy sports chain.
he does come across as a likeable guy but that isnt good enough alone to get this job and as he doesnt have any winning experience or a winning mentality imo.he might build us a side over the next 3-4 years with the right financial backing but we dont know that and putting him in the hotseat now is like walking in to the local bookies and slapping your wages on a random nag because you like the look of him.
we are not in a position to gamble and so many of our fans complain of mediocrity but are willing to give this lad a shot for the sake of it.
im not against martinez but i am against the club gambling on this.

well summed up mate, great post

Boxscarf » Thu May 17, 2012 7:58 pm wrote:Villa don't spend money? Didn't Darren Bent cost them £24m?

Wasnt that the same season they sold milner for around 25 mill+ Ireland?

mart » Thu May 17, 2012 8:09 pm wrote:

Boxscarf » Thu May 17, 2012 7:58 pm wrote:Villa don't spend money? Didn't Darren Bent cost them £24m?

Wasnt that the same season they sold milner for around 25 mill+ Ireland?

Everything's simple when you drive a ford agenda

Boxscarf » Thu May 17, 2012 8:58 pm wrote:Villa don't spend money? Didn't Darren Bent cost them £24m?

dont forget villa have cashed in on any decent player they have and despite getting close to 40mil last year for downing and young and before that it was milner and barry.
that doesnt matter though because once upon a time they spent 24mil on a player.
the point here is that if you make a profit of 70-80 odd mil from player sales then of course you will reinvest some of it back.if they had of kept those players and signed bent then maybe they might still be qualifying for the el and pushing teams for cl qualification rather than pocketing most of it and flirting with relegation.

mart » Thu May 17, 2012 8:09 pm wrote:Wasnt that the same season they sold milner for around 25 mill+ Ireland?

They still spent £24m on a single striker, Wigan, Wolves and West Brom don't have such a luxury and Villa wouldn't be anywhere near the relegation zone had they not appointed McLeish.

Wigan sold Valencia in Martinez's first season for £16m and clearly that money wasn't reinvested in the Wigan squad because Wigan didn't spend a lot of money bringing in new signings, these were bottom of the barrel signings like Gary Caldwell from Celtic on a free transfer, Lohore Steve Ulrich Gohouri on a free transfer, James McCarthy £2m, Jason Scotland for £2m. So Martinez has hardly had the cash to splash has he? Certainly not £24m on a single player. I doubt Martinez has spent £20m at Wigan in the three seasons he's been in charge of them and yet they are still in the Premier League.

Listen Martinez is too nice for this new Chelsea model we're in the process of building ...I heard the owners want plastic flags placed under everyone's seat
in the Kop.

Lets introduce some razzmatazz , lets razzle dazzle them 

Boxscarf » Thu May 17, 2012 8:26 pm wrote:

mart » Thu May 17, 2012 8:09 pm wrote:Wasnt that the same season they sold milner for around 25 mill+ Ireland?

They still spent £24m on a single striker, Wigan, Wolves and West Brom don't have such a luxury and Villa wouldn't be anywhere near the relegation zone had they not appointed McLeish.

Wigan sold Valencia in Martinez's first season for £16m and clearly that money wasn't reinvested in the Wigan squad because Wigan didn't spend a lot of money bringing in new signings, these were bottom of the barrel signings like Gary Caldwell from Celtic on a free transfer, Lohore Steve Ulrich Gohouri on a free transfer, James McCarthy £2m, Jason Scotland for £2m. So Martinez has hardly had the cash to splash has he? Certainly not £24m on a single player. I doubt Martinez has spent £20m at Wigan in the three seasons he's been in charge of them and yet they are still in the Premier League.

He may not have had alot to spend, but his one big transfer was a bit of a shocker:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauro_Boselli

Boxscarf » Thu May 17, 2012 8:26 pm wrote:

mart » Thu May 17, 2012 8:09 pm wrote:Wasnt that the same season they sold milner for around 25 mill+ Ireland?

They still spent £24m on a single striker, Wigan, Wolves and West Brom don't have such a luxury and Villa wouldn't be anywhere near the relegation zone had they not appointed McLeish.

Wigan sold Valencia in Martinez's first season for £16m and clearly that money wasn't reinvested in the Wigan squad because Wigan didn't spend a lot of money bringing in new signings, these were bottom of the barrel signings like Gary Caldwell from Celtic on a free transfer, Lohore Steve Ulrich Gohouri on a free transfer, James McCarthy £2m, Jason Scotland for £2m. So Martinez has hardly had the cash to splash has he? Certainly not £24m on a single player. I doubt Martinez has spent £20m at Wigan in the three seasons he's been in charge of them and yet they are still in the Premier League.

mate, i dont care, managing wigan and swansea isnt the CV of a liverpool manager.
wigans rugby team get bigger crowds than their footy team yet wigan are the biggest club he`s managed.
we are the 5 times champions of europe ffs, we`ve appeared in 11 european finals, we are the 18 time champions of england, you`ve got to do more than keep wigan in the prem to earn the right to manage us imo.

Out of interest, how much top level managerial experience did Rafa have before taking over at Valencia? And what about Guardiola before he took the reigns of the Barcelona first team? I believe the answer is none at all.

Those who are dismayed by the fact that we've even considered Martinez for the manager's job cite Hodgson as being a reason to avoid managers who lack top level experience in our search for a new manager, but there are several counter-examples -- like the two above -- that prove previous top level managerial experience not to be necessary provided it's made up for in other ways. If there's a really compelling candidate out there who lacks experience then we should consider what they have to offer instead of automatically refusing to consider them for the job. Martinez is one of a number who might fall into that category. There are others, including Rafa, who on the face of it I would take ahead of him, but I'd still take the time to go and interview him and few others who wouldn't all be ex-La Liga and European cup winners.

burjennio » Thu May 17, 2012 8:32 pm wrote:He may not have had alot to spend, but his one big transfer was a bit of a shocker:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauro_Boselli

Wow!! Martinez  must have been physic the way that fella tore up  Premiership defences   

LFC2007 » Thu May 17, 2012 8:35 pm wrote:Out of interest, how much top level managerial experience did Rafa have before taking over at Valencia? And what about Guardiola before he took the reigns of the Barcelona first team? I believe the answer is none at all.

Those who are dismayed by the fact that we've even considered Martinez for the manager's job cite Hodgson as being a reason to avoid managers who lack top level experience in our search for a new manager, but there are several counter-examples -- like the two above -- that prove previous top level managerial experience not to be necessary provided it's made up for in other ways. If there's a really compelling candidate out there who lacks experience then we should consider what they have to offer instead of automatically refusing to consider them for the job. Martinez is one of a number who might fall into that category. There are others, including Rafa, who on the face of it I would take ahead of him, but I'd still take the time to go and interview him and few others who wouldn't all be ex-La Liga and European cup winners.

Valencia, won 2 la liga titles and a uefa cup.. surely showed more potential than Martinez who won nothing