Liverpool FC Forum

Raoul » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:14 pm wrote:

lakes10 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:10 pm wrote:

RUSHIE#9 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:02 pm wrote:Serious questions have to be asked of the whole coaching setup at the club after yet another game without converting a single one of the multitude of chances we've created.

Surely when we've created as many chances as we have over the whole season we'd see some improvement in goalscoring ability but we haven't and if anything it's getting worse.

We had 22 shots at goal today with a piddling 6 on target, unacceptable.

6 yes but they now dont count the ones that are block by other players, put it this way we had 4 shots on target in 30 secs in that game but only count as one on target......and that happend 5 times during that game.

So you mean we had even more shots without a goal than the stats say? 

no, more on target that what the stats say.

Boxscarf » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:15 pm wrote:

mart » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:11 pm wrote:
But at the same time he created pretty much everything else today. Strikers are always supposed to be a bit selfish.

Suarez's decision making is poor and that's why I'll never rate him as highly as most Liverpool supporters. Give me a fully fit, fully confident Fernando Torres of the 2007-08 season over Luis Suarez anyday.

Different types. Shouldn't be compared.

I even argue that Suarez is best positioned in the whole behind the strikers.

Boxscarf » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:15 pm wrote:

mart » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:11 pm wrote:
But at the same time he created pretty much everything else today. Strikers are always supposed to be a bit selfish.

Suarez's decision making is poor and that's why I'll never rate him as highly as most Liverpool supporters. Give me a fully fit, fully confident Fernando Torres of the 2007-08 season over Luis Suarez anyday.

If Suarez played beside a fully confident Torres of the 2007-2008 season i expect you would have a completely different view of Suarez.

burjennio » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:15 pm wrote:

Boxscarf » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:12 pm wrote:

Liverpool racked up 28 shots on goal at Anfield today. A more telling stat is that they have converted that sort of dominance into less home wins than Blackburn this season.

That says it all.

We're playing like relegation candidates.

No we are not,

people need to step back for a second and take heed of what is actually happening on the pitch. We are not playing terrible football, we are not getting rolled over and we are creating plenty of chances. The problem is that we are not scoring goals. Perspective required by so many doom and gloomers on here. There is a very fine line between us being the side we are now to one that is challenging for the the top four and beyond. The same cant be said about f*cking Blackburn.

Sorry but on recent form we are the second worst in the league, please explain how is that not relegation form?

Boxscarf » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:15 pm wrote:

mart » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:11 pm wrote:
But at the same time he created pretty much everything else today. Strikers are always supposed to be a bit selfish.

Suarez's decision making is poor and that's why I'll never rate him as highly as most Liverpool supporters. Give me a fully fit, fully confident Fernando Torres of the 2007-08 season over Luis Suarez anyday.

you get worse

May as well just read another thread from any home game this season
because we just say the same things.

Mid table is unacceptable and unless Dalglish wins the FA Cup hes gone.

Im sorry to say it but that will happen.

mart » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:11 pm wrote:

maypaxvobiscum » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:10 pm wrote:i thought Suarez was rather selfish today. there were a few instances where he could have made a pass across the box to a team mate who was free and in a better shooting position but he chose to shoot instead.

But at the same time he created pretty much everything else today. Strikers are always supposed to be a bit selfish.

Yeah true but I'm not saying I'm expecting him to do what Shane Long did but he should pass more often. There was an occasion where there were 2 players free in the box but he chose to shoot instead of passing to them.

Didn't watch the game but devastated with the results (which is getting too often this season). Losing to relation candidates so consistently & frequently is shocking for a the amount of $$$ spent, expectations raised and for this club. If Kenny as a manager can't get his players to play for him and to their potentials then who's head is gonna fall? Out of respect to KK I won't be calling for his head but I won't be surprised if the owner show him the door.

This is the pits really...I'm outta here (for the season! no I won't be interested in the cup finals as well)

burjennio » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:15 pm wrote:
No we are not,

people need to step back for a second and take heed of what is actually happening on the pitch. We are not playing terrible football, we are not getting rolled over and we are creating plenty of chances. The problem is that we are not scoring goals. Perspective required by so many doom and gloomers on here. There is a very fine line between us being the side we are now to one that is challenging for the the top four and beyond. The same cant be said about f*cking Blackburn.

Wigan play some nice football, but playing nice football, having 9/10ths of the possession means diddley squat, if you're not getting the points on the board. We're closer to the relegation zone then we are to the top four positions in the league.

We've got major issues at the club and I'm afraid most of it is down to Dalglish and his staff.

Sorry but on recent form we are the second worst in the league, please explain how is that not relegation form?

Because when I look at the league table it says "8th"

RedAnt » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:12 pm wrote:

KennyisGod....still » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:08 pm wrote: I kind of agree with chuckin Sterling in, but totally understand that with a Cup Final to come he aint got enough time to get into playin for the first team, so we're stuck with those that seem blind in front of goal.

33 attempts. unbelievable.

Don't forget Owen was chucked right into the first team. There really is no sense leaving Sterling out of the team right now even if only as a sub.

And those saying Kenny must leave NOW need to remember that it's a team effort and lots are getting it wrong right now all throughout the club. If Kenny was to step down and a new man came in, we'd have to hope he had a storming end to the season else he'd be beginning his career trying to make these "rubbish" players into winners. That would spoil the beginning of his tenure. And that would be insane.

Owen was chucked in yeah, but he was a little bit special and as good as Sterlin is I aint sure hes THAT good. Its right what u say bout it bein a team game, which is what annoys me when ppl keep blamin the manager - once theyre on the pitch the managers a little limited in what he can do - eg is fergie gettin the blame for th scum throwin away a 2 goal lead today? These players (esp the experienced ones) should be able to manipulate a game in which theyre so dominant but unable to put away. FWIW i see us winnin the Cup Final, and I hope Kenny gets the chance to be here next season if he wants to be, but fans/supporters need to be patient - we're still very much a work in progress and that progress may not be obvious to all

burjennio » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:20 pm wrote:
Because when I look at the league table it says "8th"

Which will probably end up being "9th", "10th" or "11th", if current form continues.

First ever forum post, Hi everyone, been a Livp fan all my life, Kenny was my idol when growing up but you have to be honest, if he stays as manager next season i would be very worried about us staying up. We are so bad it is just staggering, He has been out of the game too long. We are basically as good as Fulham/Sunderland now and no better. If Henderson had come up through the ranks he would be lucky to be playing in the Reserves, Kuyt would be 2nd/3rd pick to start every game in my opinion. A quality player that would start most matches for any top 4 side(well he starts for the 2nd/3rd best team in the world Holland)

Same old story, create loads of chances but can't finish. Answer is simple - The players are not even close to being good enough!

Kenny should step down at end of season with hopefully a F.A Cup in the bag.

Boxscarf » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:19 pm wrote:

burjennio » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:15 pm wrote:
No we are not,

people need to step back for a second and take heed of what is actually happening on the pitch. We are not playing terrible football, we are not getting rolled over and we are creating plenty of chances. The problem is that we are not scoring goals. Perspective required by so many doom and gloomers on here. There is a very fine line between us being the side we are now to one that is challenging for the the top four and beyond. The same cant be said about f*cking Blackburn.

Wigan play some nice football, but playing nice football, having 9/10ths of the possession means diddley squat, if you're not getting the points on the board. We're closer to the relegation zone then we are to the top four positions in the league.

We've got major issues at the club and I'm afraid most of it is down to Dalglish and his staff.

Wigan dont dominate sides the way we generally do. Look Im not saying we shouldnt be upset at this seasons league form because it has without question being utter horsesh*t. What I am saying is that on the pitch things dont look the way they did in Rafas last season through Roy's infamous tenure. In my opinion we are closer than many of you guys think to being a top four side, a player or two may have to leave and one or two may need to come in but we are not staring into the abyss as some on here would have you believe.

lakes10 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:16 pm wrote:

Raoul » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:14 pm wrote:

lakes10 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:10 pm wrote:
6 yes but they now dont count the ones that are block by other players, put it this way we had 4 shots on target in 30 secs in that game but only count as one on target......and that happend 5 times during that game.

So you mean we had even more shots without a goal than the stats say? 

no, more on target that what the stats say.

Yeah, I understood your point, and what you are trying to say, but it doesn't help our goals/shots ratio much, does it?

So many positives to take out of that game - Carroll played OK, Henderson looked good, Spearing had a barnstormer... but

a) WBA weren't all that good, and
b) once again, we failed to finish.

It is hard to be too disheartened about a performance like that, but our finishing is not the result of luck. One or two games a season sure, but what we've faced this year? Some smart recruitment needed this summer, and I'd love to know how they are planning to address the problem in training, because what they've tried so far hasn't worked.