Andy Carroll signs for West Ham

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Postby devaney » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:11 pm

Kerry. Good to see you being more constructive. The usual barrage of almost understandable but very annoying insults that you aim at Carroll become somewhat tedious after a while. I would have preferred Kuyt on from the start last night.
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Postby andy_g » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:34 pm

Kerry07 wrote:Guiterriez swinging it in from the wing, Nolan launching diagonal balls upfront, Barton from the dead ball swinging it into the box constantly (free-kicks often from very deep). The bitters used to play this way with Duncan Ferguson. Newcastle bypassed midield

so apart from guitierrez, nolan and barton they completely bypassed the midfield did they?

sounds to me like the midfielders and wide players getting the ball into him. the idea that newcastle with carroll played a one dimensional direct game is a complete myth. in fact i remember them playing decent football and i remember carroll scoring plenty of goals with his feet from all around the box.

he was playing in a slightly different system for sure, but as with torres at chelsea sometimes the subtle differences in approach play can really affect a striker's performance.
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Postby worcester_red » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:00 pm

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Kerry07 wrote:Guiterriez swinging it in from the wing, Nolan launching diagonal balls upfront, Barton from the dead ball swinging it into the box constantly (free-kicks often from very deep). The bitters used to play this way with Duncan Ferguson. Newcastle bypassed midield

so apart from guitierrez, nolan and barton they completely bypassed the midfield did they?

sounds to me like the midfielders and wide players getting the ball into him. the idea that newcastle with carroll played a one dimensional direct game is a complete myth. in fact i remember them playing decent football and i remember carroll scoring plenty of goals with his feet from all around the box.

he was playing in a slightly different system for sure, but as with torres at chelsea sometimes the subtle differences in approach play can really affect a striker's performance.

Irrelevant, a good player should be able to adapt to any playing style. The bottom line is that Carroll jogs around the field, he doesn't try to win the ball back, his positional sense is appalling and his finishing even worse. He is a joke of a football player and we need to get rid of him asap.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:47 pm

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andy_g wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:Guiterriez swinging it in from the wing, Nolan launching diagonal balls upfront, Barton from the dead ball swinging it into the box constantly (free-kicks often from very deep). The bitters used to play this way with Duncan Ferguson. Newcastle bypassed midield

so apart from guitierrez, nolan and barton they completely bypassed the midfield did they?

sounds to me like the midfielders and wide players getting the ball into him. the idea that newcastle with carroll played a one dimensional direct game is a complete myth. in fact i remember them playing decent football and i remember carroll scoring plenty of goals with his feet from all around the box.

he was playing in a slightly different system for sure, but as with torres at chelsea sometimes the subtle differences in approach play can really affect a striker's performance.

Irrelevant, a good player should be able to adapt to any playing style. The bottom line is that Carroll jogs around the field, he doesn't try to win the ball back, his positional sense is appalling and his finishing even worse. He is a joke of a football player and we need to get rid of him asap.

So you agree with Kerry that KK hasnt got a Fu*king clue because he bought a one dimensional, limited donkey who cant even stand up on a football pitch?
A uselss, worthless dope who cant even be arsed trying to tackle and has made us a laughing stock across europe.
Dalglish has made the mother of all fu'ck ups here, no matter who tries to seperate him from blame or responsibility. He has spent our biggest transfer fee on our worst ever player and there can only be one conclusion for this disgraceful fiasco:
Both of them should fu'ck off and never darken our door again
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Postby stmichael » Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:52 pm

under a new fa directive anybody seen passing to him in future games will be booked for time wasting.
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Postby destro » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:05 pm

Still not getting enough regular quality service for me to say if he will change the minds of the people on here who have already decided he is :censored:. I read a comment about contacting Roeder who it is claimed would have advised us not to buy him yet other people who watched him come through at Newcastle ( Kevin Keegan for one) have nothing but praise for him, each to their own I suppose. His touch was off at times last night but I would also say that he did his best with most of the balls he received. I don't see the point in playing him up there on his own and then hitting long balls to him, he flicked a few on last night but there was never any chance of anyone reading the flick or taking a gamble and making a run so most of the time they went out for a throw or back to Hart. Hopefully he will be given until at least the end of the season with regular starts and the type of service that produces the best from him and prove a few people wrong.
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Postby worcester_red » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:32 pm

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worcester_red wrote:
andy_g wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:Guiterriez swinging it in from the wing, Nolan launching diagonal balls upfront, Barton from the dead ball swinging it into the box constantly (free-kicks often from very deep). The bitters used to play this way with Duncan Ferguson. Newcastle bypassed midield

so apart from guitierrez, nolan and barton they completely bypassed the midfield did they?

sounds to me like the midfielders and wide players getting the ball into him. the idea that newcastle with carroll played a one dimensional direct game is a complete myth. in fact i remember them playing decent football and i remember carroll scoring plenty of goals with his feet from all around the box.

he was playing in a slightly different system for sure, but as with torres at chelsea sometimes the subtle differences in approach play can really affect a striker's performance.

Irrelevant, a good player should be able to adapt to any playing style. The bottom line is that Carroll jogs around the field, he doesn't try to win the ball back, his positional sense is appalling and his finishing even worse. He is a joke of a football player and we need to get rid of him asap.

So you agree with Kerry that KK hasnt got a Fu*king clue because he bought a one dimensional, limited donkey who cant even stand up on a football pitch?
A uselss, worthless dope who cant even be arsed trying to tackle and has made us a laughing stock across europe.
Dalglish has made the mother of all fu'ck ups here, no matter who tries to seperate him from blame or responsibility. He has spent our biggest transfer fee on our worst ever player and there can only be one conclusion for this disgraceful fiasco:
Both of them should fu'ck off and never darken our door again
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Hmm that's an interesting interpretation of what I said. I didn't mention Kenny at all and I don't think he is to blame for this, nor is any one else at the club.
The reality is that Carroll is not fit for purpose, he's a truly  terrible striker and needs to be sent on the next train back up to Newcastle in exchange for as much money as we can recoup. The reason I say this is that with his lack of attitude, technique and workrate he will never ever improve.
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Postby worcester_red » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:38 pm

destro wrote:Still not getting enough regular quality service for me to say if he will change the minds of the people on here who have already decided he is :censored:. I read a comment about contacting Roeder who it is claimed would have advised us not to buy him yet other people who watched him come through at Newcastle ( Kevin Keegan for one) have nothing but praise for him, each to their own I suppose. His touch was off at times last night but I would also say that he did his best with most of the balls he received. I don't see the point in playing him up there on his own and then hitting long balls to him, he flicked a few on last night but there was never any chance of anyone reading the flick or taking a gamble and making a run so most of the time they went out for a throw or back to Hart. Hopefully he will be given until at least the end of the season with regular starts and the type of service that produces the best from him and prove a few people wrong.

oh come on, when did he have a good touch of the ball last night, when did he chase a ball down or pressurise any player in a light blue shirt?
I agree that he is not a target man, due to mainly to the fact that he can't even seem to stay on his feet under the lightest of challenges. I think we can also agree that he is no natural finisher and I certainly don't rate him as a header of the ball so in what way is he a striker who deserves to wear the red of LFC?

He is a lazy talentless waste of money and btw I could not give 2 sh1ts what that fecking useless manager Keegan (although incredible player) has to say about him nor any one else, I trust my own 2 eyes and I think he's the worst striker I can remember seeing at LFC.
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Postby parchpea » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:40 pm

Carrolls performance was so inept yesterday that he single handedly ended this debate in the 93 mins he was on the park.

Everyone wants the lad to do well but that performance has to go down as one of worst displays I have ever seen from centre forward at the top level of the game.

It was as if we had plucked a lad from behind the goal and stuck him up front to help us out.

Every single aspect of his game has fallen apart and his cameo run and stumble down the line an embaressment.

At this point I genuinely feel sorry for him as hes being mocked and bullied and simply has nothing in his locker to end it. Enoughs enough.
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Postby devaney » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:10 pm

parchpea wrote:Carrolls performance was so inept yesterday that he single handedly ended this debate in the 93 mins he was on the park.

Everyone wants the lad to do well but that performance has to go down as one of worst displays I have ever seen from centre forward at the top level of the game.

It was as if we had plucked a lad from behind the goal and stuck him up front to help us out.

Every single aspect of his game has fallen apart and his cameo run and stumble down the line an embaressment.

At this point I genuinely feel sorry for him as hes being mocked and bullied and simply has nothing in his locker to end it. Enoughs enough.

Really harsh :D 

He had two decent defensive headers towards the end when we were under a lot of pressure. Maybe we could use him as a back up for our central defenders if they get injured.  :D

Poor Andy. He is just down on confidence,fitness,ability,intellect and a decent diet!
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Postby Kash_Mountain » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:37 pm

Fowler_E7 wrote:Had a tough job tonight with very little support, but my God his first touch and passing are an absolute joke. The ball just seems to rebound of him every time, he needs a lot of work thats for sure.

Yep, a bit like Kuyt. Both have rubber bands for legs...

I'm not even going to get into the fact that he goes over to easily
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Postby Kerry07 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:53 pm

A lot has been said about his awful touch... should also mention his non movement. He moves as though hes knee deep in sludge. He turns slower than an articulated lorry on an icy road. Lost count of the amount of times Downing got the ball and then looked up, only to find Carroll was a good 30 yards behind play. When the big unit trots, you can almost feel the ground shaking.
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Postby LFC2007 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:54 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:So you agree with Kerry that KK hasnt got a Fu*king clue because he bought a one dimensional, limited donkey who cant even stand up on a football pitch?
A uselss, worthless dope who cant even be arsed trying to tackle and has made us a laughing stock across europe.
Dalglish has made the mother of all fu'ck ups here, no matter who tries to seperate him from blame or responsibility. He has spent our biggest transfer fee on our worst ever player and there can only be one conclusion for this disgraceful fiasco:
Both of them should fu'ck off and never darken our door again
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Even the best managers make the biggest mistakes. We can all think of players signed by other managers that haven't, ultimately, prevented their clubs from being successful. Kenny should be judged in the same way -- by his transfer record as a whole and his ability to mould a winning team, not by single instances.

I'd say it's testament to his managerial abilities that we're still in the hunt for fourth and only a game away from Wembley despite the failings of the likes of Carroll.
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Postby Kerry07 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:06 pm

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"Liverpool are a special institution" X.Alonso
"Anfield es un templo de fútbol" AS
"The English club prove miracles do exist" D.Maradona
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Postby The Good Yank » Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:56 pm

Not as funny as the last time it was posted Kerry.
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