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only me wrote:

Kerry07 wrote:As i said before, Andy Carroll will be a 13 to 14 goal a season player at a direct long ball team. There is no pedigree there, hence there is no "coming good". This is not a player who was highly touted, a player with rave reviews. This is a player who was on the market for 2 million pound sterling in August 2009, 1 season in the Dean Windass championship, and 5 months winning flick ons for a direct long ball midtable team. Michael Ricketts had more pedigree in January 2002 after his spell at Bolton. Andy Carroll is a limited player technically, a player who is alien to a pass and move technical style of play. A player with pedigree Robbie Keane did far more in his 5 months here than the big awkward fella Carroll has done in almost a year and he was turfed out. How long do we persist with a player who makes us worse? Fulham away this season, Fulham away last season.... chalk and cheese.

We paid 35 million for Carroll, he is on 80k per week, on a 5 and a 1/2 year contract...thats 57 million expenditure on Andy Carroll. This season we almost certainly won't get Champions League football (theres 20 million plus lost) due largely to poor team selection of leaving inform players on the bench (Maxi) who also make us fluid, and playing players (Carroll) who have never done it and wreck the fluidity of the team. Thus far thats 77 million, another season of this and the 100 million pound barrier has been breached due to a solitary transfer decision on transfer deadline day of January 2011.

If we were being run by a sheik and could afford to throw money down the toilet then fine, but we arent. This will cost us bigtime. How long can we keep haemorrhaging money? "Give the lad time, yes hes only 23 and has never done it, but give the lad another 2 or 3 years by which time the 200 million cost barrier will be breached, we will be hovering around the 7th place where we are now, playing the same disjointed cr@p when the awkward cumbersome big fella plays... give it time lads, while the top clubs leave us out of sight"

Nicely written but what does it has to do with our team condition? you spend so many words and i still don't get the connection to the topic of the thread which is Andy Carrol.

How many Goals did our Mega Star Suarez netted this season? And the rest of the strikers and chicken Wingers? We have a problem as a TEAM scoring so far ,be it Carrol for the big part but the rest are quick to follow. How many games did Carrol play so far? Did he get a chance to play 5-10 games straight? You are talking of Maxi which is fluid as old man bowl movement (yes he scored twice so what?) ,Is Kuyt more effective? Is Hendo ,Downing and Adam delivering the results so far? So the only difference is the price tag right? You can thank Chelsea for that don't blame Andy.

Let him play straight games till the end of the year at least and then decide if he is worth the bother.

devaney wrote:Thommo - if you seriously think Suarez is going through a torrid time then we are not even reading the same book let alone on the same page.

Hes been charged for racism and now for improper conduct
I dont know where youre from but round by ours thats not having a very good time
Maybe you are reading a different book?

Kerry07 wrote:

only me wrote:

Kerry07 wrote:As i said before, Andy Carroll will be a 13 to 14 goal a season player at a direct long ball team. There is no pedigree there, hence there is no "coming good". This is not a player who was highly touted, a player with rave reviews. This is a player who was on the market for 2 million pound sterling in August 2009, 1 season in the Dean Windass championship, and 5 months winning flick ons for a direct long ball midtable team. Michael Ricketts had more pedigree in January 2002 after his spell at Bolton. Andy Carroll is a limited player technically, a player who is alien to a pass and move technical style of play. A player with pedigree Robbie Keane did far more in his 5 months here than the big awkward fella Carroll has done in almost a year and he was turfed out. How long do we persist with a player who makes us worse? Fulham away this season, Fulham away last season.... chalk and cheese.

We paid 35 million for Carroll, he is on 80k per week, on a 5 and a 1/2 year contract...thats 57 million expenditure on Andy Carroll. This season we almost certainly won't get Champions League football (theres 20 million plus lost) due largely to poor team selection of leaving inform players on the bench (Maxi) who also make us fluid, and playing players (Carroll) who have never done it and wreck the fluidity of the team. Thus far thats 77 million, another season of this and the 100 million pound barrier has been breached due to a solitary transfer decision on transfer deadline day of January 2011.

If we were being run by a sheik and could afford to throw money down the toilet then fine, but we arent. This will cost us bigtime. How long can we keep haemorrhaging money? "Give the lad time, yes hes only 23 and has never done it, but give the lad another 2 or 3 years by which time the 200 million cost barrier will be breached, we will be hovering around the 7th place where we are now, playing the same disjointed cr@p when the awkward cumbersome big fella plays... give it time lads, while the top clubs leave us out of sight"

Nicely written but what does it has to do with our team condition? you spend so many words and i still don't get the connection to the topic of the thread which is Andy Carrol.

How many Goals did our Mega Star Suarez netted this season? And the rest of the strikers and chicken Wingers? We have a problem as a TEAM scoring so far ,be it Carrol for the big part but the rest are quick to follow. How many games did Carrol play so far? Did he get a chance to play 5-10 games straight? You are talking of Maxi which is fluid as old man bowl movement (yes he scored twice so what?) ,Is Kuyt more effective? Is Hendo ,Downing and Adam delivering the results so far? So the only difference is the price tag right? You can thank Chelsea for that don't blame Andy.

Let him play straight games till the end of the year at least and then decide if he is worth the bother.

To criticise Suarez is the lowest form of defence. Oh but but... Suarez scored f**k all against Man U in the 3-1 win...yes he created all three goals but he didn't score. Suarez has the 2nd highest amount of passes this season (behind only Rooney) and has created umpteen chances (twice for the awkward big lump vs Fulham). Luis Suarez is the type of player who could go through an entire season without scoring and be man of the match in 90% of them.

There is no question hes frustrated when paired with Carroll...who is the worst possible foil for him. Carroll does not have the skillset to play alongside technical players, his game is in the air, direct, long balls, getting on the end of stuff, bypassing midfield entirely.

If we aspire to be Wimbledon (Bolton under Sam) and finish where we currently sit, then Carroll is our man. If we aspire to play pass and move, retain possession, have fluid interchanging with people moving around, and finish top 4/challenging for league titles, then Carroll is discarded pronto and the error made 12 months ago dealt with.

Why would we aspire to be Wimbledon?

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:19 games

that is all he has played for us with

I bet you all loved the fella when he scored the winner against the BS or the goals against City .

Give the lad a chance - he destroyed defences last season before he got injured - he is currently on a steep learning curve and needs time

As for tabloids ?!?! who gives a what they say - since when did Liverpool fans start taking the words of a tabloid or any newspaper as gospel

And as for Kenny rolling his eyes at a mention of the lad maybe he is sick of people questioning him or the lad and wishes some people just give him some time to regain his form and confidence .

He is a young lad who needs to mature and develop and our management have confidence in him so maybe we should trust that management , and let him and the team develop . Last night he actually provided a lot of good link up play and won a lot more headers against Hangeland than many other players would - the service into him was shocking as was the set piece delivery .

Its hard for me to say this but Benny I agree totally.. (thats twice now) 

He is a young lad with absolute mountains of potential.  As Kenny has said many times he has been signed for 5 years not 5 weeks, months or whatever!

Thommo's perm wrote:As has been said before Crouch took some time to settle in and came good in the end. Lucas has been here since 2007, made 183 appearances and has only come good this year.
Carroll is not going in january, and maybe even not at the end of the season, so all those who are moaning are only putting more pressure on KK and the team which will eventually take its toll.
Get behind them

Kerry07 wrote:what potential? Thats a nothing answer. Ngog has potential, Insua has potential, for years we heard Emile Heskey has potential (our best period when Heskey was at the club was when we displaced him with Anelka in Jan 2002 and for the next 5 months destroyed teams.. Leeds 4-0, Ipswich 6-0 and 5-0, Newcastle 3-0, and finished 2nd)

This is a baseless assessment. This "potential" can be labelled at everyone. To have baseless hope on a player with no pedigree is appalling. Hes 23 in 6 weeks, is he magically going to show something that no one has ever seen from him?

He made his debut over 5 years ago and (removing his year in the 2nd tier) he has 18 goals in the Premiership (4 of those with us). But the worst thing is he CAN become a player who gets 13 or 14 per season AT THE DETRIMENT to the entire team. For him to get those 13 to 14 goals means us playing long ball, swinging in crosses. Totally against the pass and move ethos, totally alien to Suarez, Maxi, Bellamy and co. who play the ball on the deck, totally alien to trophy winning teams of the last 25 years. We are accomodating a player, and style, that makes us worse, and makes any chance of titles go out the window. Possession is king, carving up opponents with fluid play is the method any top team aspires. This is also why the signing makes no sense, hes not a Kenny Dalglish player (pre his Newcastle Andreas Andersson signing of course).

And as for criticising our "golden boy" Suarez, the desperation has sunk to new levels. He is virtually man of the match in every game we play. He carves up opponents for fun and only yesterday TWICE pulled the ball back for the donkey.

Kerry07 wrote:

only me wrote:

Kerry07 wrote:As i said before, Andy Carroll will be a 13 to 14 goal a season player at a direct long ball team. There is no pedigree there, hence there is no "coming good". This is not a player who was highly touted, a player with rave reviews. This is a player who was on the market for 2 million pound sterling in August 2009, 1 season in the Dean Windass championship, and 5 months winning flick ons for a direct long ball midtable team. Michael Ricketts had more pedigree in January 2002 after his spell at Bolton. Andy Carroll is a limited player technically, a player who is alien to a pass and move technical style of play. A player with pedigree Robbie Keane did far more in his 5 months here than the big awkward fella Carroll has done in almost a year and he was turfed out. How long do we persist with a player who makes us worse? Fulham away this season, Fulham away last season.... chalk and cheese.

We paid 35 million for Carroll, he is on 80k per week, on a 5 and a 1/2 year contract...thats 57 million expenditure on Andy Carroll. This season we almost certainly won't get Champions League football (theres 20 million plus lost) due largely to poor team selection of leaving inform players on the bench (Maxi) who also make us fluid, and playing players (Carroll) who have never done it and wreck the fluidity of the team. Thus far thats 77 million, another season of this and the 100 million pound barrier has been breached due to a solitary transfer decision on transfer deadline day of January 2011.

If we were being run by a sheik and could afford to throw money down the toilet then fine, but we arent. This will cost us bigtime. How long can we keep haemorrhaging money? "Give the lad time, yes hes only 23 and has never done it, but give the lad another 2 or 3 years by which time the 200 million cost barrier will be breached, we will be hovering around the 7th place where we are now, playing the same disjointed cr@p when the awkward cumbersome big fella plays... give it time lads, while the top clubs leave us out of sight"

Nicely written but what does it has to do with our team condition? you spend so many words and i still don't get the connection to the topic of the thread which is Andy Carrol.

How many Goals did our Mega Star Suarez netted this season? And the rest of the strikers and chicken Wingers? We have a problem as a TEAM scoring so far ,be it Carrol for the big part but the rest are quick to follow. How many games did Carrol play so far? Did he get a chance to play 5-10 games straight? You are talking of Maxi which is fluid as old man bowl movement (yes he scored twice so what?) ,Is Kuyt more effective? Is Hendo ,Downing and Adam delivering the results so far? So the only difference is the price tag right? You can thank Chelsea for that don't blame Andy.

Let him play straight games till the end of the year at least and then decide if he is worth the bother.

To criticise Suarez is the lowest form of defence. Oh but but... Suarez scored f**k all against Man U in the 3-1 win...yes he created all three goals but he didn't score. Suarez has the 2nd highest amount of passes this season (behind only Rooney) and has created umpteen chances (twice for the awkward big lump vs Fulham). Luis Suarez is the type of player who could go through an entire season without scoring and be man of the match in 90% of them.

There is no question hes frustrated when paired with Carroll...who is the worst possible foil for him. Carroll does not have the skillset to play alongside technical players, his game is in the air, direct, long balls, getting on the end of stuff, bypassing midfield entirely.

If we aspire to be Wimbledon (Bolton under Sam) and finish where we currently sit, then Carroll is our man. If we aspire to play pass and move, retain possession, have fluid interchanging with people moving around, and finish top 4/challenging for league titles, then Carroll is discarded pronto and the error made 12 months ago dealt with.

Kenny Kan wrote:Comolli has said that he thinks he made a mistake on one of our signings, no guess who that is....

is there a source for that?.

if true comolli should be told to shut the f up.going around spouting off about andy isnt going to help the lad when one of the men who bought him has no confidence in him .

red till i die!! wrote:

Kenny Kan wrote:Comolli has said that he thinks he made a mistake on one of our signings, no guess who that is....

is there a source for that?.

if true comolli should be told to shut the f up.going around spouting off about andy isnt going to help the lad when one of the men who bought him has no confidence in him .

So did Kenny have nothing to do with the purchase? Is Comolli the latest transfer up scapegoat in the same way as Parry. Plenty of people were involved in a very rash and with hindsight somewhat foolhardy and risky transaction not just Damien Comolli. And why do you automatically assume that Comolli,if he did say anything,was referring to Andy Carroll.Your own assumptions must surely tell you something.

I defended Hodgson for far too long when the treatment he was receiving from fans at Anfield and on forums was distasteful.Quite simply I'm losing patience with: Give him/them a chance.It will take time.We need to rebuild.We have no strength in depth.We were unlucky.The ref was rubbish.The new owners need time.WE HAVE NEVER WON THE PREMIERSHIP FFS AND AT THE MOMENT THAT DOESN'T LOOK AS IF IT WILL CHANGE IN THE NEAR FUTURE!

devaney wrote:

red till i die!! wrote:

Kenny Kan wrote:Comolli has said that he thinks he made a mistake on one of our signings, no guess who that is....

is there a source for that?.

if true comolli should be told to shut the f up.going around spouting off about andy isnt going to help the lad when one of the men who bought him has no confidence in him .

So did Kenny have nothing to do with the purchase? Is Comolli the latest transfer up scapegoat in the same way as Parry. Plenty of people were involved in a very rash and with hindsight somewhat foolhardy and risky transaction not just Damien Comolli. And why do you automatically assume that Comolli,if he did say anything,was referring to Andy Carroll.Your own assumptions must surely tell you something.

I defended Hodgson for far too long when the treatment he was receiving from fans at Anfield and on forums was distasteful.Quite simply I'm losing patience with: Give him/them a chance.It will take time.We need to rebuild.We have no strength in depth.We were unlucky.The ref was rubbish.The new owners need time.WE HAVE NEVER WON THE PREMIERSHIP FFS AND AT THE MOMENT THAT DOESN'T LOOK AS IF IT WILL CHANGE IN THE NEAR FUTURE!