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by **jacdaniel** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:44 am

Doubt it will ever happen but I think we'd be best signing a more established striker and sending the big man Andy on loan.

The only people that are defending him are suggesting that he needs games. Well, we're currently 7th in the league and falling behind a bit. We can't afford to be playing players that aren't performing. If a striker that we want is available in January, we should sign him and loan Carroll out with an option to call back.

by **supersub** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:33 pm

metalhead wrote:I see Andy Carroll turning into another Lucas

no chance of that :;):

by **Thommo's perm** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:33 pm

metalhead wrote:I see Andy Carroll turning into another Lucas

I hope not
We havent got four years to wait until he ends up being decent

by **redtrader74** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:51 pm

I think we need to be honest, however much you want Carroll to do well I think it's as clear as day he will never be a prolific striker. Since his arrival almost all the games where we have played attractive and effective football, slick quick passing have been without Carroll. The comparisons with Lucas are beyond dumb, Lucas was about 19-20 years old, from another country and had a language barrier to overcome, whereas Andy is 23 and from down the road. He needs to get his finger out and improve his strength and fitness, which should have been in place by now, stay on his feet and at the very least give 100% and realise that he should be laying the ball off. The fact is that our fluidity is disrupted when he plays and Kenny needs to find a solution quickly or otherwise he will start looking foolish for ever buying him.

by **metalhead** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:52 pm

supersub wrote:
metalhead wrote:I see Andy Carroll turning into another Lucas

no chance of that

I'm really terrible at predictions so you're right

by **kazza** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:20 pm

supersub wrote:
metalhead wrote:I see Andy Carroll turning into another Lucas

no chance of that

It does not mean he will not come good. Lucas was a grafter with a great pedegree so you knew with a bit of confidence he would come good. Carroll is not a grafter but despite his lack of lightning pace his size is an asset and he will come good with a bit of confidence, that was obvious by the way he took that penalty.

I think he is young and will imrprove but not quite in the same way Lucas has. I do believe he will start scoring though.

by **Kerry07** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:00 pm

As i said before, Andy Carroll will be a 13 to 14 goal a season player at a direct long ball team. There is no pedigree there, hence there is no "coming good". This is not a player who was highly touted, a player with rave reviews. This is a player who was on the market for 2 million pound sterling in August 2009, 1 season in the Dean Windass championship, and 5 months winning flick ons for a direct long ball midtable team. Michael Ricketts had more pedigree in January 2002 after his spell at Bolton. Andy Carroll is a limited player technically, a player who is alien to a pass and move technical style of play. A player with pedigree Robbie Keane did far more in his 5 months here than the big awkward fella Carroll has done in almost a year and he was turfed out. How long do we persist with a player who makes us worse? Fulham away this season, Fulham away last season.... chalk and cheese.

We paid 35 million for Carroll, he is on 80k per week, on a 5 and a 1/2 year contract...thats 57 million expenditure on Andy Carroll. This season we almost certainly won't get Champions League football (theres 20 million plus lost) due largely to poor team selection of leaving inform players on the bench (Maxi) who also make us fluid, and playing players (Carroll) who have never done it and wreck the fluidity of the team. Thus far thats 77 million, another season of this and the 100 million pound barrier has been breached due to a solitary transfer decision on transfer deadline day of January 2011.

If we were being run by a sheik and could afford to throw money down the toilet then fine, but we arent. This will cost us bigtime. How long can we keep haemorrhaging money? "Give the lad time, yes hes only 23 and has never done it, but give the lad another 2 or 3 years by which time the 200 million cost barrier will be breached, we will be hovering around the 7th place where we are now, playing the same disjointed cr@p when the awkward cumbersome big fella plays... give it time lads, while the top clubs leave us out of sight"

by **Thommo's perm** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:11 pm

Stop going on about pedigree, chum
Yes it was surprising he cost that much, but hes here and we need to make the most of it
And we can afford it, so stop worrying
:;):

by **Kerry07** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:16 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:Stop going on about pedigree, chum
Yes it was surprising he cost that much, but hes here and we need to make the most of it
And we can afford it, so stop worrying

Unfortunately we are making the most of it. It was the costliest decision in football history. We compound it by letting it continue.

by **Thommo's perm** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:28 pm

Kerry07 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Stop going on about pedigree, chum
Yes it was surprising he cost that much, but hes here and we need to make the most of it
And we can afford it, so stop worrying

Unfortunately we are making the most of it. It was the costliest decision in football history. We compound it by letting it continue.

No we dont, we continue to develop and try to progress.
Otherwise we sit there moaning like arl tarts about price and cost and miss the point that KK needs time to work his magic.
Spread doom and gloom at the end of the season when its all over and you are proved right.
Until then give it a rest. Please

by **stmichael** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:12 pm

Kerry07 wrote:As i said before, Andy Carroll will be a 13 to 14 goal a season player at a direct long ball team. There is no pedigree there, hence there is no "coming good". This is not a player who was highly touted, a player with rave reviews. This is a player who was on the market for 2 million pound sterling in August 2009, 1 season in the Dean Windass championship, and 5 months winning flick ons for a direct long ball midtable team. Michael Ricketts had more pedigree in January 2002 after his spell at Bolton. Andy Carroll is a limited player technically, a player who is alien to a pass and move technical style of play. A player with pedigree Robbie Keane did far more in his 5 months here than the big awkward fella Carroll has done in almost a year and he was turfed out. How long do we persist with a player who makes us worse? Fulham away this season, Fulham away last season.... chalk and cheese.

We paid 35 million for Carroll, he is on 80k per week, on a 5 and a 1/2 year contract...thats 57 million expenditure on Andy Carroll. This season we almost certainly won't get Champions League football (theres 20 million plus lost) due largely to poor team selection of leaving inform players on the bench (Maxi) who also make us fluid, and playing players (Carroll) who have never done it and wreck the fluidity of the team. Thus far thats 77 million, another season of this and the 100 million pound barrier has been breached due to a solitary transfer decision on transfer deadline day of January 2011.

If we were being run by a sheik and could afford to throw money down the toilet then fine, but we arent. This will cost us bigtime. How long can we keep haemorrhaging money? "Give the lad time, yes hes only 23 and has never done it, but give the lad another 2 or 3 years by which time the 200 million cost barrier will be breached, we will be hovering around the 7th place where we are now, playing the same disjointed cr@p when the awkward cumbersome big fella plays... give it time lads, while the top clubs leave us out of sight"

that's the spirit.

we're doomed. i'm off to throw myself under a bus.

by **only me** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:53 pm

Kerry07 wrote:As i said before, Andy Carroll will be a 13 to 14 goal a season player at a direct long ball team. There is no pedigree there, hence there is no "coming good". This is not a player who was highly touted, a player with rave reviews. This is a player who was on the market for 2 million pound sterling in August 2009, 1 season in the Dean Windass championship, and 5 months winning flick ons for a direct long ball midtable team. Michael Ricketts had more pedigree in January 2002 after his spell at Bolton. Andy Carroll is a limited player technically, a player who is alien to a pass and move technical style of play. A player with pedigree Robbie Keane did far more in his 5 months here than the big awkward fella Carroll has done in almost a year and he was turfed out. How long do we persist with a player who makes us worse? Fulham away this season, Fulham away last season.... chalk and cheese.

We paid 35 million for Carroll, he is on 80k per week, on a 5 and a 1/2 year contract...thats 57 million expenditure on Andy Carroll. This season we almost certainly won't get Champions League football (theres 20 million plus lost) due largely to poor team selection of leaving inform players on the bench (Maxi) who also make us fluid, and playing players (Carroll) who have never done it and wreck the fluidity of the team. Thus far thats 77 million, another season of this and the 100 million pound barrier has been breached due to a solitary transfer decision on transfer deadline day of January 2011.

If we were being run by a sheik and could afford to throw money down the toilet then fine, but we arent. This will cost us bigtime. How long can we keep haemorrhaging money? "Give the lad time, yes hes only 23 and has never done it, but give the lad another 2 or 3 years by which time the 200 million cost barrier will be breached, we will be hovering around the 7th place where we are now, playing the same disjointed cr@p when the awkward cumbersome big fella plays... give it time lads, while the top clubs leave us out of sight"

Nicely written but what does it has to do with our team condition? you spend so many words and i still don't get the connection to the topic of the thread which is Andy Carrol.

How many Goals did our Mega Star Suarez netted this season? And the rest of the strikers and chicken Wingers? We have a problem as a TEAM scoring so far ,be it Carrol for the big part but the rest are quick to follow. How many games did Carrol play so far? Did he get a chance to play 5-10 games straight? You are talking of Maxi which is fluid as old man bowl movement (yes he scored twice so what?) ,Is Kuyt more effective? Is Hendo ,Downing and Adam delivering the results so far? So the only difference is the price tag right? You can thank Chelsea for that don't blame Andy.

Let him play straight games till the end of the year at least and then decide if he is worth the bother.

by **Kopite-Jud** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:33 pm

I've slated the lad , but we must get behind him and get on with it.

It's not his fault we paid £35,000,000 for him.

None of the team has started scoring

Andy Carroll YNWA

by **devaney** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:46 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:KK should have brought a magic wand because the expectations of some are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over the top
"If he doesnt get top 4 he should go"
Some on here are being accused of acting like chelsea fans. I think its worse than that. Ridiculous over the top criticism of a Liverpool player who is just not clicking at the moment. Already being called sh'ite and a waste of money and open discussions of him leaving in January. Playing right into the hands of gobsh'ites up and down the country who are singing what a waste of money. Instead of laughing and saying were not arsed because we can afford it, we get Reds agreeing with these beauts. So what if he cost £35 million? Thats our business and we back KK up until he feels that Carroll needs to go. Thats what we do. Not join in with those who despise us and revel in our bickering.
Astounding comments from the supposed best and most knowledgable supporters in the world. Haha dont make me laugh. Maybe some of you should change the words to YNWA and sing "Youre sh'it, youre on your own"?

Don't make me laugh Thommo! A lot of us pay a high price to go to the game and whilst I have never booed any player,current or former,I can understand the frustration of some ticket purchasers.Sorry I refuse to call them fans! Lucas had to tolerate some vile and infantile behaviour from a large section of Anfield regulars and I have got to say that I was ashamed to be anywhere near the culprits.Real supporters my ahrse !!!

I have tried desperately to support Carroll but as I have previously said I have never been a big fan of the lad and his ability or lack of simply isn't winning me over.Time will tell but at the moment he certainly isn't doing a lot to improve the team.

by **Thommo's perm** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:17 pm

devaney wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:KK should have brought a magic wand because the expectations of some are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over the top
"If he doesnt get top 4 he should go"
Some on here are being accused of acting like chelsea fans. I think its worse than that. Ridiculous over the top criticism of a Liverpool player who is just not clicking at the moment. Already being called sh'ite and a waste of money and open discussions of him leaving in January. Playing right into the hands of gobsh'ites up and down the country who are singing what a waste of money. Instead of laughing and saying were not arsed because we can afford it, we get Reds agreeing with these beauts. So what if he cost £35 million? Thats our business and we back KK up until he feels that Carroll needs to go. Thats what we do. Not join in with those who despise us and revel in our bickering.
Astounding comments from the supposed best and most knowledgable supporters in the world. Haha dont make me laugh. Maybe some of you should change the words to YNWA and sing "Youre sh'it, youre on your own"?

Don't make me laugh Thommo! A lot of us pay a high price to go to the game and whilst I have never booed any player,current or former,I can understand the frustration of some ticket purchasers.Sorry I refuse to call them fans! Lucas had to tolerate some vile and infantile behaviour from a large section of Anfield regulars and I have got to say that I was ashamed to be anywhere near the culprits.Real supporters my ahrse !!!

I have tried desperately to support Carroll but as I have previously said I have never been a big fan of the lad and his ability or lack of simply isn't winning me over.Time will tell but at the moment he certainly isn't doing a lot to improve the team.

Like has been said, he isnt the only one not pulling his weight. Henderson, Downing, Johnson, Kuyt, are all guilty of being sh'ite to some extent. Suarez has declined dramatically and seems to be going through a torrid time. To single out Carroll is to be blinkered and totally obsessed with his price tag. I am not defending his seeming lack of interest or application, but I wont jump on a boring bandwagon which is overjoyed to keep fuelling the fire for those who say hes a waste of money.
Even if, and I doubt it, he is a complete washout and doesnt do the business for us I still would not say he cost too much or moan about the price. Its of little interest to me because Im much more concerned about how we progress.

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