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Thommo's perm wrote:

supersub wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:Potential? Haha potential to become an insurance salesman because he werent no footballer. In fact he is one of the main reasons we havent won anything since 2006.
Biggest waste of time, slow witted, garbage at tackling, free kick giving, sideways passing gobsh'ite I have had the misfortune to witness in a red shirt.
And yet...

And thats why your endorsement of Carroll proves to me I'm spot on......you watch Liverpool with your eyes closed

There are none so blind as they who will not listen

I hear you, but the only Carrolls make any noise at the moment are the Xmas sort...

ethanr wrote:

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:19 games

that is all he has played for us with

I bet you all loved the fella when he scored the winner against the BS or the goals against City .

Give the lad a chance - he destroyed defences last season before he got injured - he is currently on a steep learning curve and needs time

As for tabloids ?!?! who gives a what they say - since when did Liverpool fans start taking the words of a tabloid or any newspaper as gospel

And as for Kenny rolling his eyes at a mention of the lad maybe he is sick of people questioning him or the lad and wishes some people just give him some time to regain his form and confidence .

He is a young lad who needs to mature and develop and our management have confidence in him so maybe we should trust that management , and let him and the team develop . Last night he actually provided a lot of good link up play and won a lot more headers against Hangeland than many other players would - the service into him was shocking as was the set piece delivery .

Its hard for me to say this but Benny I agree totally.. (thats twice now) 

He is a young lad with absolute mountains of potential.  As Kenny has said many times he has been signed for 5 years not 5 weeks, months or whatever!

I was thinking the same thing! 


You guys who are writing off Carroll are ridiculous.. You act like he's supposed to do something amazing every time he touches the ball, like a Suarez... That's not the player he is.  He's a mountain who can create opportunities for others, and who can finish with a powerful shot.  He's scored twice this season, a third that was wrongly disallowed, set up Downing's goal that was wrongly disallowed, hit the post twice, and has forced 3 or 4 extremely good saves from keepers.  Just like Suarez, he's been very unlucky this year not to have way more goals.


He's 22 years old.  Very few target men develop when they are that young.  Around this age, Drogba scored 7 goals in over 40 games for Le Mans.... This is a much more challenging league, and they are very similar players.  It's an experience position and Big Andy has none yet.  As he continues to gain experience though, I'm fully confident he'll come good.


You guys need to stop acting like dam chealsea fans.

Drogba is an athlete mate. Hes also a world class player with fabulous technical ability who turned us inside out for Marseille when he was 24. Andy Carroll is 23 in 6 weeks, and turns as quickly as an articulated lorry on an icy road.

Its amusing how people cherry pick comparisons in attempting to defend someone with no pedigree.

The Lucas comparison is even more bizarre given that he was Brazlian footballer of the year.. so regardless of what any of us thought of him, he had pedigree but wasn't showing it.

Every man and his dog, to quote Shearer, was "staggered" at this transfer. The only solution is to loan him out to a midtable side that play long ball.. so his value can hover around the 12 to 15 miliion mark and we then have a decent chance of selling. The other benefits of a loan are that he doesn't play for us so can't ruin our play, also he gets game time so doesn't further deteriorate. A loan definitely is the best option.

Kerry07 wrote:

ethanr wrote:

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:19 games

that is all he has played for us with

I bet you all loved the fella when he scored the winner against the BS or the goals against City .

Give the lad a chance - he destroyed defences last season before he got injured - he is currently on a steep learning curve and needs time

As for tabloids ?!?! who gives a what they say - since when did Liverpool fans start taking the words of a tabloid or any newspaper as gospel

And as for Kenny rolling his eyes at a mention of the lad maybe he is sick of people questioning him or the lad and wishes some people just give him some time to regain his form and confidence .

He is a young lad who needs to mature and develop and our management have confidence in him so maybe we should trust that management , and let him and the team develop . Last night he actually provided a lot of good link up play and won a lot more headers against Hangeland than many other players would - the service into him was shocking as was the set piece delivery .

Its hard for me to say this but Benny I agree totally.. (thats twice now) 

He is a young lad with absolute mountains of potential.  As Kenny has said many times he has been signed for 5 years not 5 weeks, months or whatever!

I was thinking the same thing! 


You guys who are writing off Carroll are ridiculous.. You act like he's supposed to do something amazing every time he touches the ball, like a Suarez... That's not the player he is.  He's a mountain who can create opportunities for others, and who can finish with a powerful shot.  He's scored twice this season, a third that was wrongly disallowed, set up Downing's goal that was wrongly disallowed, hit the post twice, and has forced 3 or 4 extremely good saves from keepers.  Just like Suarez, he's been very unlucky this year not to have way more goals.


He's 22 years old.  Very few target men develop when they are that young.  Around this age, Drogba scored 7 goals in over 40 games for Le Mans.... This is a much more challenging league, and they are very similar players.  It's an experience position and Big Andy has none yet.  As he continues to gain experience though, I'm fully confident he'll come good.


You guys need to stop acting like dam chealsea fans.

Drogba is an athlete mate. Hes also a world class player with fabulous technical ability who turned us inside out for Marseille when he was 24. Andy Carroll is 23 in 6 weeks, and turns as quickly as an articulated lorry on an icy road.

Its amusing how people cherry pick comparisons in attempting to defend someone with no pedigree.

The Lucas comparison is even more bizarre given that he was Brazlian footballer of the year.. so regardless of what any of us thought of him, he had pedigree but wasn't showing it.

Every man and his dog, to quote Shearer, was "staggered" at this transfer. The only solution is to loan him out to a midtable side that play long ball.. so his value can hover around the 12 to 15 miliion mark and we then have a decent chance of selling. The other benefits of a loan are that he doesn't play for us so can't ruin our play, also he gets game time so doesn't further deteriorate. A loan definitely is the best option.

Benny The Noon wrote:

Kerry07 wrote:

ethanr wrote:

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:19 games

that is all he has played for us with

I bet you all loved the fella when he scored the winner against the BS or the goals against City .

Give the lad a chance - he destroyed defences last season before he got injured - he is currently on a steep learning curve and needs time

As for tabloids ?!?! who gives a what they say - since when did Liverpool fans start taking the words of a tabloid or any newspaper as gospel

And as for Kenny rolling his eyes at a mention of the lad maybe he is sick of people questioning him or the lad and wishes some people just give him some time to regain his form and confidence .

He is a young lad who needs to mature and develop and our management have confidence in him so maybe we should trust that management , and let him and the team develop . Last night he actually provided a lot of good link up play and won a lot more headers against Hangeland than many other players would - the service into him was shocking as was the set piece delivery .

Its hard for me to say this but Benny I agree totally.. (thats twice now) 

He is a young lad with absolute mountains of potential.  As Kenny has said many times he has been signed for 5 years not 5 weeks, months or whatever!

I was thinking the same thing! 


You guys who are writing off Carroll are ridiculous.. You act like he's supposed to do something amazing every time he touches the ball, like a Suarez... That's not the player he is.  He's a mountain who can create opportunities for others, and who can finish with a powerful shot.  He's scored twice this season, a third that was wrongly disallowed, set up Downing's goal that was wrongly disallowed, hit the post twice, and has forced 3 or 4 extremely good saves from keepers.  Just like Suarez, he's been very unlucky this year not to have way more goals.


He's 22 years old.  Very few target men develop when they are that young.  Around this age, Drogba scored 7 goals in over 40 games for Le Mans.... This is a much more challenging league, and they are very similar players.  It's an experience position and Big Andy has none yet.  As he continues to gain experience though, I'm fully confident he'll come good.


You guys need to stop acting like dam chealsea fans.

Drogba is an athlete mate. Hes also a world class player with fabulous technical ability who turned us inside out for Marseille when he was 24. Andy Carroll is 23 in 6 weeks, and turns as quickly as an articulated lorry on an icy road.

Its amusing how people cherry pick comparisons in attempting to defend someone with no pedigree.

The Lucas comparison is even more bizarre given that he was Brazlian footballer of the year.. so regardless of what any of us thought of him, he had pedigree but wasn't showing it.

Every man and his dog, to quote Shearer, was "staggered" at this transfer. The only solution is to loan him out to a midtable side that play long ball.. so his value can hover around the 12 to 15 miliion mark and we then have a decent chance of selling. The other benefits of a loan are that he doesn't play for us so can't ruin our play, also he gets game time so doesn't further deteriorate. A loan definitely is the best option.

Carroll turned us inside out last season when he was 22 .

Carroll has shown what he can do when he is fit and confident - some just chose to ignore that .

RedSi35 wrote:This argument will go round in circles again and again.

The fact is, the club will not offload him, they will want to justify the 35million pricetag.

neil wrote:You think it means anything to FSG?

Benny The Noon wrote:

neil wrote:You think it means anything to FSG?

Not anymore No .

Kerry07 wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:

RedSi35 wrote:This argument will go round in circles again and again.

The fact is, the club will not offload him, they will want to justify the 35million pricetag.

The club aren't going to offload someone they have belief in after just 19 games for the club .

You need to listen to the manager a bit more - the price tag means nothing now - only to fans who want to use it to beat the lad with

i agree the price tag means nothing now (the damage has been done), we can only evaluate the player not the fee. However, the price tag IS relevant to Kenny as had he cost 10 million there is not a chance in hell he would be featuring. The old Liverpool way used to be players on form play, or.. pick your best players... Kenny is going completely against the philosophy we had when we were winning league titles. Ronnie Whelan has stated that players would pretend they weren't injured just so they play the next game for fear of losing their place in the team.

Maxi has been on fire every time hes played this calender year, and yet he sits on the bench to the total bewiderment of everyone, while a player who has a 35 million pound fee over his head and has done nothing.. starts... repeatedly...and also ruins the fluidity we show when he isnt playing.

Kenny is new to me, yes im well aware of his "legend" at the club, but he is new to me as my manager... and assessing him thus far in the Andy Carrolll affair he has been shocking.

Kerry07 wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:

RedSi35 wrote:This argument will go round in circles again and again.

The fact is, the club will not offload him, they will want to justify the 35million pricetag.

The club aren't going to offload someone they have belief in after just 19 games for the club .

You need to listen to the manager a bit more - the price tag means nothing now - only to fans who want to use it to beat the lad with

i agree the price tag means nothing now (the damage has been done), we can only evaluate the player not the fee. However, the price tag IS relevant to Kenny as had he cost 10 million there is not a chance in hell he would be featuring. The old Liverpool way used to be players on form play, or.. pick your best players... Kenny is going completely against the very philosophy we had when we were winning league titles. Ronnie Whelan has stated that players would pretend they weren't injured just so they could play the next game for fear of losing their place in the team.

Maxi has been on fire every time hes played this calender year, and yet he sits on the bench to the total bewilderment of everyone, while a player who has a 35 million pound fee over his head and has done nothing.. starts... repeatedly...and also ruins the fluidity we show when he isnt playing.

Kenny is new to me, yes im well aware of his "legend" at the club, but he is new to me as my manager... and assessing him thus far in the Andy Carrolll affair he has been shocking.

Benny The Noon wrote:

Kerry07 wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:

RedSi35 wrote:This argument will go round in circles again and again.

The fact is, the club will not offload him, they will want to justify the 35million pricetag.

The club aren't going to offload someone they have belief in after just 19 games for the club .

You need to listen to the manager a bit more - the price tag means nothing now - only to fans who want to use it to beat the lad with

i agree the price tag means nothing now (the damage has been done), we can only evaluate the player not the fee. However, the price tag IS relevant to Kenny as had he cost 10 million there is not a chance in hell he would be featuring. The old Liverpool way used to be players on form play, or.. pick your best players... Kenny is going completely against the philosophy we had when we were winning league titles. Ronnie Whelan has stated that players would pretend they weren't injured just so they play the next game for fear of losing their place in the team.

Maxi has been on fire every time hes played this calender year, and yet he sits on the bench to the total bewiderment of everyone, while a player who has a 35 million pound fee over his head and has done nothing.. starts... repeatedly...and also ruins the fluidity we show when he isnt playing.

Kenny is new to me, yes im well aware of his "legend" at the club, but he is new to me as my manager... and assessing him thus far in the Andy Carrolll affair he has been shocking.

I'm confused ?

One minute your going on about what Kenny did during the 80's and how he picked his team and at the end your saying that Kenny is new to you as a manager ?! So which is it

The situation we were in during the 80's is extremely different to our situation now - the league and game is also different .

Kenny is playing Carroll is games when he believe it gives him the best option and he is also trying to give the lad some confidence and form - If you know Kenny then you will know how strong a character he is and wont play someone just to justify a price tag