Raul Meireles - Rent Boy Mark II

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Postby Bad Bob » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:03 pm

What annoys me with this potential sale is that it reinforces the revolving door approach we've had for a few years now.  Buy a player from the continent and bring em over, wait for them to adjust to the pace and physicality of the prem and get bedded into the whole foreign culture thing and then....what?  Ship them out the next season or the season after if they're solid not spectacular, with only a smattering of stand-out performances?  That doesn't strike me as particularly astute player development nor particularly good business in the long term.

Now, fair enough if Kenny doesn't rate the fella and has his own ideas for revitalizing the side.  He obviously needs to have a crack at moulding his team the way he wants it.  But, I'd prefer we hung on to the long-established Portuguese international myself. :(
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:11 pm

Greavesie wrote:I agree with the sentiment of selling the dross first but Meireles is no stand out player imo, he won player of the season or whatever but the whole team was garbage, that award this season simply had to go somewhere and it ended up at his feet. He was never one of the first names on the teamsheet either and was often shipped out wide because there were better centre midfielders in the side than him (or more of them, make of that what you will).

He seems a very likable fella but if he isn't in Kenny's plans there'll be no grudges held on my end or asking what could have been if he was never sold. I never advocated selling Alonso or the way he was treated either and, as similar as they may be being treated, Alonso is in a completely different class to Raul.

I still have my doubts over him after his first season such as his fitness and general ability if I'm being honest BUT he's been decent enough (and I mean decent) and has probably earned the right to have a second season...that's the only factor that has me thinking, whether he can build on what he's accomplished so far. If he was to repeat the same as this season, personally I don't think that's enough...I'm not saying he's been a failure by any means, what I am saying is that I don't think he'd be particularly missed, just our treatment towards him is a little poor if he genuinely does want to stay.

If he does have personal reasons for wanting to go such as his family struggling to settle or even himself then fair dos. He's a quiet lad so it wouldn't surprise me if he has had a few problems and just got on with his job. Fair play to him for getting on with it either way.

It's Kenny's call and I'll roll with that

Since when did Meireles win player of the season?  ???
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Postby Greavesie » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:20 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Greavesie wrote:I agree with the sentiment of selling the dross first but Meireles is no stand out player imo, he won player of the season or whatever but the whole team was garbage, that award this season simply had to go somewhere and it ended up at his feet. He was never one of the first names on the teamsheet either and was often shipped out wide because there were better centre midfielders in the side than him (or more of them, make of that what you will).

He seems a very likable fella but if he isn't in Kenny's plans there'll be no grudges held on my end or asking what could have been if he was never sold. I never advocated selling Alonso or the way he was treated either and, as similar as they may be being treated, Alonso is in a completely different class to Raul.

I still have my doubts over him after his first season such as his fitness and general ability if I'm being honest BUT he's been decent enough (and I mean decent) and has probably earned the right to have a second season...that's the only factor that has me thinking, whether he can build on what he's accomplished so far. If he was to repeat the same as this season, personally I don't think that's enough...I'm not saying he's been a failure by any means, what I am saying is that I don't think he'd be particularly missed, just our treatment towards him is a little poor if he genuinely does want to stay.

If he does have personal reasons for wanting to go such as his family struggling to settle or even himself then fair dos. He's a quiet lad so it wouldn't surprise me if he has had a few problems and just got on with his job. Fair play to him for getting on with it either way.

It's Kenny's call and I'll roll with that

Since when did Meireles win player of the season?  ???

player of the season something or the other on the offal wasnt he?

I remember reading a quote from him saying Lucas was the real deserved winner or something along those lines...
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Postby anti-hero » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:21 pm

i'd rather keep whatever money we'd have to pay Charlie Adam instead of seeing Raul go.
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:28 pm

Greavesie wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Greavesie wrote:I agree with the sentiment of selling the dross first but Meireles is no stand out player imo, he won player of the season or whatever but the whole team was garbage, that award this season simply had to go somewhere and it ended up at his feet. He was never one of the first names on the teamsheet either and was often shipped out wide because there were better centre midfielders in the side than him (or more of them, make of that what you will).

He seems a very likable fella but if he isn't in Kenny's plans there'll be no grudges held on my end or asking what could have been if he was never sold. I never advocated selling Alonso or the way he was treated either and, as similar as they may be being treated, Alonso is in a completely different class to Raul.

I still have my doubts over him after his first season such as his fitness and general ability if I'm being honest BUT he's been decent enough (and I mean decent) and has probably earned the right to have a second season...that's the only factor that has me thinking, whether he can build on what he's accomplished so far. If he was to repeat the same as this season, personally I don't think that's enough...I'm not saying he's been a failure by any means, what I am saying is that I don't think he'd be particularly missed, just our treatment towards him is a little poor if he genuinely does want to stay.

If he does have personal reasons for wanting to go such as his family struggling to settle or even himself then fair dos. He's a quiet lad so it wouldn't surprise me if he has had a few problems and just got on with his job. Fair play to him for getting on with it either way.

It's Kenny's call and I'll roll with that

Since when did Meireles win player of the season?  ???

player of the season something or the other on the offal wasnt he?

I remember reading a quote from him saying Lucas was the real deserved winner or something along those lines...

Lucas was the club/fans player of the season. Wonder what award Meireles won?
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Postby Greavesie » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:58 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Greavesie wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Greavesie wrote:I agree with the sentiment of selling the dross first but Meireles is no stand out player imo, he won player of the season or whatever but the whole team was garbage, that award this season simply had to go somewhere and it ended up at his feet. He was never one of the first names on the teamsheet either and was often shipped out wide because there were better centre midfielders in the side than him (or more of them, make of that what you will).

He seems a very likable fella but if he isn't in Kenny's plans there'll be no grudges held on my end or asking what could have been if he was never sold. I never advocated selling Alonso or the way he was treated either and, as similar as they may be being treated, Alonso is in a completely different class to Raul.

I still have my doubts over him after his first season such as his fitness and general ability if I'm being honest BUT he's been decent enough (and I mean decent) and has probably earned the right to have a second season...that's the only factor that has me thinking, whether he can build on what he's accomplished so far. If he was to repeat the same as this season, personally I don't think that's enough...I'm not saying he's been a failure by any means, what I am saying is that I don't think he'd be particularly missed, just our treatment towards him is a little poor if he genuinely does want to stay.

If he does have personal reasons for wanting to go such as his family struggling to settle or even himself then fair dos. He's a quiet lad so it wouldn't surprise me if he has had a few problems and just got on with his job. Fair play to him for getting on with it either way.

It's Kenny's call and I'll roll with that

Since when did Meireles win player of the season?  ???

player of the season something or the other on the offal wasnt he?

I remember reading a quote from him saying Lucas was the real deserved winner or something along those lines...

Lucas was the club/fans player of the season. Wonder what award Meireles won?

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Postby aCe' » Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:36 pm

Says something about his caliber that he would win that despite the circumstances...  I'd like to see him played much deeper next season like he plays for Portugal.. Excellent at getting the ball out of defense and would reduce our reliance on Lucas trying to dictate the tempo of our game..
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Postby Waldo » Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:50 pm

aCe' wrote:Says something about his caliber that he would win that despite the circumstances...  I'd like to see him played much deeper next season like he plays for Portugal.. Excellent at getting the ball out of defense and would reduce our reliance on Lucas trying to dictate the tempo of our game..

I don't think he could play in that role Ace and I think Kenny knows that, sees the likes of Gerrard and Henderson playing before him and wants to cash on a VERY sellable asset to use the cash elsewhere (like defensive MF where I hear we are looking at Diego now...) or CB or LB.

Kenny has to balance the books and the squad. £15M for Meireles and £10M for Aquilani = Juan Mata  :buttrock
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Postby aCe' » Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:59 pm

Waldo wrote:
aCe' wrote:Says something about his caliber that he would win that despite the circumstances...  I'd like to see him played much deeper next season like he plays for Portugal.. Excellent at getting the ball out of defense and would reduce our reliance on Lucas trying to dictate the tempo of our game..

I don't think he could play in that role Ace and I think Kenny knows that, sees the likes of Gerrard and Henderson playing before him and wants to cash on a VERY sellable asset to use the cash elsewhere (like defensive MF where I hear we are looking at Diego now...) or CB or LB.

Kenny has to balance the books and the squad. £15M for Meireles and £10M for Aquilani = Juan Mata  :buttrock

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Meireles has always played as a deep central midfielder for Portugal and Porto .. And Diego is an attacking midfielder similar to VanDerVaart.... Not sure what ur on about to be honest !
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Postby Waldo » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:24 am

Hasn't played in that role for us though has he so Kenny must not fancy him there. Maybe he sees Diego as a better player and a replacement for Raul in the squad.
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Postby crim cram » Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:38 pm

He did well for us when KK came in.  Sad to see him go really, he could do a job and was one of the better players in the January - March period.  I'd sell Cole, Jova, Spearing, Poulsen and a host of others before I'd sell him.
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Postby maguskwt » Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:22 pm

crim cram wrote:He did well for us when KK came in.  Sad to see him go really, he could do a job and was one of the better players in the January - March period.  I'd sell Cole, Jova, Spearing, Poulsen and a host of others before I'd sell him.

guys... he's not going yet... and if he does, I have a feeling KK and Comoli has a good plan which will involve more than replacing Meireles with Charlie one for one...
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Postby parchpea » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:20 pm

Meireles is going because of a fall out over a contract and secondly because he is one of the few we have that other clubs are willing to pay decent money for. All the others that are admittedly worse footballers cannot be shifted out as nobody wants them and they are earning good money at Liverpool so reluctant to shift. The task of recruitment is one thing but freeing up places and the noose of massive wages on the duckeggs is a bigger job still. Its a massive job clearing up the mess left by years of poor management by owners and coaches and freeing up money but moving out Meireles just gives us that breathing space until we can finally get the deadwood out the door.
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Postby Waldo » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:42 am

parchpea wrote:Meireles is going because of a fall out over a contract and secondly because he is one of the few we have that other clubs are willing to pay decent money for. All the others that are admittedly worse footballers cannot be shifted out as nobody wants them and they are earning good money at Liverpool so reluctant to shift. The task of recruitment is one thing but freeing up places and the noose of massive wages on the duckeggs is a bigger job still. Its a massive job clearing up the mess left by years of poor management by owners and coaches and freeing up money but moving out Meireles just gives us that breathing space until we can finally get the deadwood out the door.

Good post. Meireles and Aquillani are maybe not fancied by KK but are very sellable assets. KK has to balance the books and the squad!
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Postby Dundalk » Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:31 pm

Rumour has it he will NOT be on the plane to Asia.   :no
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