Raul Meireles - Rent Boy Mark II

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Postby Ben Patrick » Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:48 pm

sgs wrote:How Porto stung Liverpool

Friday 29 October 2010

It’s a well-known fact that football is a fast-paced environment and that things can change overnight. For instance, nobody expected someone as professional as Wayne Rooney to pull a ‘Judas’ and drop a bombshell about leaving – even if that ended up being nothing more than a cheap move to get leverage for an improved contract.

Likewise, if we compare the current and the past editions of the Portuguese League, we see two different dynamics. Last year, Jorge Jesus arrived at Benfica and turned around the club's fortunes in style; it was a joy to watch the Eagles' gung-ho style overwhelm opponents. Stadiums – both home and away - were filled, the starting XI looked like Champions League veterans and a new ‘golden era’ seemed to be on the horizon.

After years in oblivion, Benfica finally found a winning formula and they should have kept it. But like a teenager who wants new shoes just for the sake of it, Benfica went on a summer shopping spree when all they had to do was make a handful of key acquisitions to increase depth, balance the books and keep the momentum of last season.

All the glitter and razzmatazz about the impressive Benfica 2009-10 faded away and the Eagles today are a rather bland side. They win at home and struggle away, and that’s not what you want from a true contender.

Porto, on the other hand, suffered a few bumps along the way that disrupted their 2009-10 campaign. They lost Hulk to suspension and would also lose a few important players to injuries while then-manager Jesualdo Ferreira’s influence on the team was already waning.

For a side used to winning, last season was subpar and something needed to change. The Dragons surprised many by gambling on a young manager – the untested André Villas-Boas – but kept the faith with their squad, signing only players that could actually make a difference (with perhaps the exception of Sereno…). Are they much different than last year? No, they're almost the same side, just with much more hunger plus João Moutinho and increased depth.

Every bit of the João Moutinho-Raul Meireles deals was a stroke of genius. Meireles had enjoyed a lacklustre campaign and at 27 he was about to reach his potential. Sensing a good deal, the Dragons signed Moutinho – three years younger and more versatile – for €11m just before dispatching Meireles to Merseyside for €14m.


Yes, Liverpool supporters may want to think of Meireles as the second coming of Xabi Alonso, but the truth is nobody at Porto cares about him anymore – because Moutinho is simply better. And the cherry on top was the fact that it weakened rivals Sporting and signalled a clear gulf in ambition between both clubs.


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It might have been good business by Porto if they made a profit and that Moutinho plays well.
But it appears that its Sporting that were stung and not us.
I think Meireles is a very tidy player and has started well enough.
Happy to have him me.
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Postby bigmick » Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:52 pm

Yes I think he's a good player too. He's shown plenty enough in his first seven or eight starts for the club to suggest that he may well end up being a very decent buy indeed. I do believe that players take a bit of time to settle, but I also do believe that you want to see a glint of something, a glimmer of something that shines in the light. We've seen that with Mereiles, and therefore I'm more than happy to give him the benefit of any doubt.

I do realise however that for some posters, the fact that some journo doesn't rate him is going to be seized upon as being highly significant.
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Postby f9Torres » Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:59 pm

another fact is that moutinho wasn't called for the world cup and meireles played all the matches, and he did it well. it is easier to write history when it has already happened.
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Postby worcester_red » Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:10 pm

I like Mereiles, I have faith that he'll develop into a very usefull player for us but he along with almost everyone else in the team seems to be suffering under Hodgson.
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Postby ICE-MAN » Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:34 pm

I was unsure of him after his first 2 or 3 appearances, but this was mainly due to hodgson playing him out on the right or left of midfield!

The last 3-4 games where hes played in centre midfield he looks a real player, his touch is brilliant and is very comfortable passing with either foot, rarely losing possession! Ive been very impressed with his energy, he really gets around the pitch, watching the bolton match yesterday he actually surprised me once or twice by turning up in certain areas of the pitch and I think its only a matter of time before he opens his account for us!

Dont agree with that article, at 27 hes mature and at the right age to hit the top of his game in the premier league!

I think we are much stronger with him in the team! Our best summer signing by a mile!!  :cool:
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Postby Zidane » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:13 pm

edit wrong thread!
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Postby metalhead » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:54 pm

bigmick wrote:I do realise however that for some posters, the fact that some journo doesn't rate him is going to be seized upon as being highly significant.

Sssshhhhhh........ you don't want rocky to come in with his Aquilani love fest :laugh:
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Postby bigmick » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:58 pm

metalhead wrote:
bigmick wrote:I do realise however that for some posters, the fact that some journo doesn't rate him is going to be seized upon as being highly significant.

Sssshhhhhh........ you don't want rocky to come in with his Aquilani love fest :laugh:

It's not so much that mate, it's more in this case someone being desperate to portray everything about the manager in a bad light. He bought Mereiles, so the more the portuguese midfielder can be shown to be a waste of money, the more it suits the agenda. The truth is nobody can really say for sure whether or not he's a waste of money yet (and in fairness he wasn't cheap), but I should think most people who have a clue and have watched him play are hopeful at least he will turn out to be a good player.

I tend to follow my own eyes rather than rely on an anonymous reporter.
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Postby metalhead » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:00 pm

I know mate, I agree, and alot would jump into ''oh he is not good enough bandwagon'' everytime he does a mistake or plays poorly. To me, he looks like a really good player, and actually gives us a balance in midfield.
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Postby rocky29 » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:32 pm

metalhead wrote:
bigmick wrote:I do realise however that for some posters, the fact that some journo doesn't rate him is going to be seized upon as being highly significant.

Sssshhhhhh........ you don't want rocky to come in with his Aquilani love fest :laugh:

ye he might score one goal by the end of the season!
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Postby Rush Job » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:27 pm

Looks a good player but needs to kick on now he knows what is expected of him. Supposed to be a bit of a long range specialist. I`d like to see some of that,starting agaisnt chelsea.
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Postby andy_g » Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:40 am

he's had plenty of attempts from range and many of them have been on target and struck with a fair amount of ferocity. the fact that he has a good shot on him is beyond doubt. what gets me is that he always looks incredulous that every one of his shots seem to strike defenders who have hurled themselves into the balls path. maybe they don't do that in portugal and just politely leave him space....
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Postby kazza » Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:48 am

In Portugal he is regarded as a defensive player and he was a defensive midfielder when he played there. It says something about our team that one of our better technical players is regarded in Portugal (his home) as a "defensive player". I think he is a good player but I am not sure he is being used properly (or he was not initially).

I would like to have seen him and a fit Aquilani play together just for curiousity's sake with Gerrard in front with Torres, I think it would have worked well. He is more a replacement for Masch than Aquilani.
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Postby metalhead » Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:58 am

kazza wrote:In Portugal he is regarded as a defensive player and he was a defensive midfielder when he played there. It says something about our team that one of our better technical players is regarded in Portugal (his home) as a "defensive player". I think he is a good player but I am not sure he is being used properly (or he was not initially).

I would like to have seen him and a fit Aquilani play together just for curiousity's sake with Gerrard in front with Torres, I think it would have worked well. He is more a replacement for Masch than Aquilani.

No, I don't see him a defensive midfielder, he doesn't have the physical nature to cope in that position, not like Mascherano. He was shrugged off so easily against Yakubu against Everton. He is more a natural CM for me, carrying the ball forward and playing some good passes. He has good feet, plays a pass and moves. What bother me the most, that he looks like a player who can hassle opponents when we want to press the ball, but that's not happening as we look to stand off more. I remember against bolton, there was this instance when Meireles wanted to go in close down a fulham player, but then remembered that he isn't instructed to, went back into his position! Give him and Gerrard to close down opponents more, we will be having more possession and pass the ball quicker and more efficiently
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Postby JamCar05 » Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:21 pm

metalhead wrote:What bother me the most, that he looks like a player who can hassle opponents when we want to press the ball, but that's not happening as we look to stand off more. I remember against bolton, there was this instance when Meireles wanted to go in close down a fulham player, but then remembered that he isn't instructed to, went back into his position! Give him and Gerrard to close down opponents more, we will be having more possession and pass the ball quicker and more efficiently

I really do believe we should be hassling our opponents way more instead of all this standing off. It plays a great part in what Barca are doing so successfully (granted, they may have a bit better set of players to do so as well :D), and it also worked a treat for us at times under Rafa.* Opponents simply don't like being attacked as soon as they have gotten the ball back themselves, but atm we are giving them way too much time on the ball to settle.

To turn the thread back in the direction of Meireles specifically, I agree he could play an important part in this hassling job.

*Disclaimer: Please don't see this as a Rafa vs. Roy discussion teaser for it is not :).
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