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by **redhayesy** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:12 pm

for me, it's still to early to fully judge him! i say that cause as much as i acknowledge he has vast experience in a high level standard of any league in has played in, he their for knew what was & is expected of for playing for a club like ours.

people go on about the EPL being the best in the game an any player that wants to step up to the plate in going there needs to prove there worth instantly for me... it takes time i hear some cry? ... no it doesn't - look at torres,alonso,masha it took no time at all an that's the difference- oh so i forgot they cost alot more money - you only get what you pay for? - that argument is cr@p for me,cause in many cases has proved bu11sh1t! the classic example is gary mcallister! a free -so called past it, has been,but when he was given the chance to not only sign for us, but play for us on a regular basis - HE FECKING GAVE IT EVERYTHING HE HAD. the man was an is a credit to everything that given a chance to play for LFC stands for.

the likes of meirelles may be & in this day an age be given time to prove there worth, given time to settle in etc, the likes of gary mac weren't given -agree with it or not,my point is any player re-guardless of price,experience etc-once you sign for LFC you should feel that you have achieved the pinickle of your career -you have reached the summit,give the club everything it deserves for giving you the chance to re-pay the so called talent that put you in the shop window in the first place.- for me meirelles has still to recognise this!

talented player-to be honest i'm still not sure, cause there is a massive difference between talent an desire,commitment an going that extra to prove your worth or just expecting to be picked because of who you think you are,or how much you think your worth,repretations mean nothing,unless you back it up with proof,actions speak louder than words an i sincerly hope if meirles is picked to start in the derby he begins to prove he worthy to wear the famous red shirt like gary mac did when he played in the derby! (still one of the best displays from a player who cost feck all) an scored one of the best goals in our history against the bitters!- that free kick is legendary end of.

by **Reg** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:17 pm

Well said Hayesy and good to see you again mate.

by **redhayesy** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:58 pm

thanks reg mate, for me i sincerly hope he does well but the games iv'e seen this season-he is what this topic is about hasn't inspired me or given the team anything new,fresh or grabed the game the game by the scuff of it's neck when needed to change anything.

i would really love to see a player we sign learn an be inspired to take on the responsibility of ther on so called talent-an project that into others around them! a player like meireles should be firing on all cylinders from the word go-as in he has been chosen to play for us- so make an impression straight away.

let others around him take note an think- sh1t this bloke is threatening my posistion in the team an inspire them to take the nessacary action to prove otherwise,to make it a competative place alround which is healthy competion for places in the team which is always has been,an always should be the thought process of any player signed for LFC.

we know mate an have always known that one thing any match go-er or anyone who knows our history is that any player that signs for us-straight away if they give there all,show the right attitude an desire to wear the famous red shirt,will always be respected,show productivitey an produce instant results of admiration from us.- another example mate for me was mike marsh-fantasic lad took his chance in a very un-settled side under souness an for me took his chance with both hands,he was very unluckly with injury's as i think he was another player who cost nothing an gave instant impact of what it meant to play for us. the reason i mention him aswell is he played several posistions for us -mainly right fb, or right midfield but he was living the dream mate an made it happen for a time. his goal against auxerre at anfield was magic!

i remember being in the kop that night-when he scored to make it 2-2 on agg was many a moment when you are proud an honoured to be a fan of LFC. an i just wish that tapes of that game would be shown to the likes of meireles-to inspire him to produce the same- ie when given a chance make people stand up an stare!

by **LFC2007** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:12 pm

He looks a quality passing midfielder but it's fair to say we haven't really seen it yet, probably because he's played mainly on the right in two games of three. Degensively he's looked rather weak and a paceless but you can get away with a certain amount of that in the team, it's just a question of getting support. For that to happen I think he needs to be in a midfield three, or as part of a midfield five. A 4-4-2 generally needs a target man, and the other striker to fill in and press the midfield, and good wingers with a bit of pace that we just don't have.

by **redhayesy** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:28 am

mate,you don't get it -it doesn't matter where you play or where you choose to play,the fact remains YOU HAVE BEEN CHOSEN TO PLAY FOR LFC, as a new signing he should an want to play anywhere in the team end of!

ffs he is a new signing,he should be pinching himself not to just know he has arrived AT LFC,but to also think -i'm starting in the first team,so i'm going to show everyone i'm worthy of this chance,give my all regardless of where i play,cause with my so called knowledge an experience of top flight football i will shine where-ever,plaese mate tell me one game so far he has demonstrated such actions,cause i'm still un-sure of this.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:45 am

redhayesy wrote:mate,you don't get it -it doesn't matter where you play or where you choose to play,the fact remains YOU HAVE BEEN CHOSEN TO PLAY FOR LFC, as a new signing he should an want to play anywhere in the team end of!

ffs he is a new signing,he should be pinching himself not to just know he has arrived AT LFC,but to also think -i'm starting in the first team,so i'm going to show everyone i'm worthy of this chance,give my all regardless of where i play,cause with my so called knowledge an experience of top flight football i will shine where-ever,plaese mate tell me one game so far he has demonstrated such actions,cause i'm still un-sure of this.

I wasn't disagreeing with you mate. Simply from a tactical perspective, the chances are we'll see the best of him in the middle where he can use his passing ability to full effect. That said, effort-wise, he has to do a lot more to show that he's up to it. He was way off it against Blackpool IMO, and there'll be no hiding places come derby day.

by **f9Torres** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:00 am

redhayesy wrote:for me, it's still to early to fully judge him! i say that cause as much as i acknowledge he has vast experience in a high level standard of any league in has played in, he their for knew what was & is expected of for playing for a club like ours.

people go on about the EPL being the best in the game an any player that wants to step up to the plate in going there needs to prove there worth instantly for me... it takes time i hear some cry? ... no it doesn't - look at torres,alonso,masha it took no time at all an that's the difference- oh so i forgot they cost alot more money - you only get what you pay for? - that argument is cr@p for me,cause in many cases has proved bu11sh1t! the classic example is gary mcallister! a free -so called past it, has been,but when he was given the chance to not only sign for us, but play for us on a regular basis - HE FECKING GAVE IT EVERYTHING HE HAD. the man was an is a credit to everything that given a chance to play for LFC stands for.

the likes of meirelles may be & in this day an age be given time to prove there worth, given time to settle in etc, the likes of gary mac weren't given -agree with it or not,my point is any player re-guardless of price,experience etc-once you sign for LFC you should feel that you have achieved the pinickle of your career -you have reached the summit,give the club everything it deserves for giving you the chance to re-pay the so called talent that put you in the shop window in the first place.- for me meirelles has still to recognise this!

talented player-to be honest i'm still not sure, cause there is a massive difference between talent an desire,commitment an going that extra to prove your worth or just expecting to be picked because of who you think you are,or how much you think your worth,repretations mean nothing,unless you back it up with proof,actions speak louder than words an i sincerly hope if meirles is picked to start in the derby he begins to prove he worthy to wear the famous red shirt like gary mac did when he played in the derby! (still one of the best displays from a player who cost feck all) an scored one of the best goals in our history against the bitters!- that free kick is legendary end of.

did you forget how were the first months of mascherano in premier league? you don't have just to prove that you can play in the league, you forget that you play in a team with 10 more players, and so far, the team is struggling, what did u expect this guy could do? if these were the fist matches of torres what would you say? if you we can speak about him playing in the right, probably the first time in his life after hundreds of matches since he became a profesional player...i did see a very good second half in old trafford, till sudenly he was took off, still don't know why. since he left the pitch, liverpool lost the ball and didn't see it again till they had to take it from the net after the third ManU goal.

by **redhayesy** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:13 am

LFC2007 wrote:
redhayesy wrote:mate,you don't get it -it doesn't matter where you play or where you choose to play,the fact remains YOU HAVE BEEN CHOSEN TO PLAY FOR LFC, as a new signing he should an want to play anywhere in the team end of!

ffs he is a new signing,he should be pinching himself not to just know he has arrived AT LFC,but to also think -i'm starting in the first team,so i'm going to show everyone i'm worthy of this chance,give my all regardless of where i play,cause with my so called knowledge an experience of top flight football i will shine where-ever,plaese mate tell me one game so far he has demonstrated such actions,cause i'm still un-sure of this.

I wasn't disagreeing with you mate. Simply from a tactical perspective, the chances are we'll see the best of him in the middle where he can use his passing ability to full effect. That said, effort-wise, he has to do a lot more to show that he's up to it. He was way off it against Blackpool IMO, and there'll be no hiding places come derby day.

cheers mate, cause i watched the blackpool game in the flesh an like you say he was well off the play. for me thats being kind to the bloke! he was so tactally un-aware what was going on around him that day it was frightening.

like i say i sincerly hope he comes good,but why should i have to wait for that moment? like i say he is a new signing -he should have fire in his belly,bust a gut to prove an show us he is the real deal,the man with loads of ex-perience,a quality alround player who can adapt to any posistion he's played in.

show others around him, that as an ex-perienced player with know how,intelligence etc this is what i'm about an i'm going to play anywhere for the team an provr to the fans i mean business from the word go-an if any player wantd to challange my alround ability -bring it on!- for me he has shown only question masks on his ability & attitude,which isn't what i expected,an for me as importantly hasn't got the fans raving about him,cause he hasn't justified that respect yet,

we love making up songs about players,especially new one's - but for me he will have to go some overnight -big time for that to happen!

cue -he scores the winner against the bitters! for a song that lives long in the memory!

by **redhayesy** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:45 am

f9Torres wrote:
redhayesy wrote:for me, it's still to early to fully judge him! i say that cause as much as i acknowledge he has vast experience in a high level standard of any league in has played in, he their for knew what was & is expected of for playing for a club like ours.

people go on about the EPL being the best in the game an any player that wants to step up to the plate in going there needs to prove there worth instantly for me... it takes time i hear some cry? ... no it doesn't - look at torres,alonso,masha it took no time at all an that's the difference- oh so i forgot they cost alot more money - you only get what you pay for? - that argument is cr@p for me,cause in many cases has proved bu11sh1t! the classic example is gary mcallister! a free -so called past it, has been,but when he was given the chance to not only sign for us, but play for us on a regular basis - HE FECKING GAVE IT EVERYTHING HE HAD. the man was an is a credit to everything that given a chance to play for LFC stands for.

the likes of meirelles may be & in this day an age be given time to prove there worth, given time to settle in etc, the likes of gary mac weren't given -agree with it or not,my point is any player re-guardless of price,experience etc-once you sign for LFC you should feel that you have achieved the pinickle of your career -you have reached the summit,give the club everything it deserves for giving you the chance to re-pay the so called talent that put you in the shop window in the first place.- for me meirelles has still to recognise this!

talented player-to be honest i'm still not sure, cause there is a massive difference between talent an desire,commitment an going that extra to prove your worth or just expecting to be picked because of who you think you are,or how much you think your worth,repretations mean nothing,unless you back it up with proof,actions speak louder than words an i sincerly hope if meirles is picked to start in the derby he begins to prove he worthy to wear the famous red shirt like gary mac did when he played in the derby! (still one of the best displays from a player who cost feck all) an scored one of the best goals in our history against the bitters!- that free kick is legendary end of.

did you forget how were the first months of mascherano in premier league? you don't have just to prove that you can play in the league, you forget that you play in a team with 10 more players, and so far, the team is struggling, what did u expect this guy could do? if these were the fist matches of torres what would you say? if you we can speak about him playing in the right, probably the first time in his life after hundreds of matches since he became a profesional player...i did see a very good second half in old trafford, till sudenly he was took off, still don't know why. since he left the pitch, liverpool lost the ball and didn't see it again till they had to take it from the net after the third ManU goal.

believe me mate,if you watched any games when masha first played for us let alone even at the end of his time with us you would know he KNEW an more importantly knew he had to make an instant impact on the team,his own individual performance to cerstain a place in the starting line up.

many on here,as much as it hurts now to say- i for one FECKING MISS MASHA,cause he was a little chief from start to finish! yes i fecking hated the way his attitude stank at the end of his LFC playing days tarnished his memory for many,but for me i couldn't dis-agree more with you on masha- he was imence,awsome,totally bossed is statue in the team,made the posistion in the side his own etc.

he came to the club knowing he was given a golden,golden opportunity by raffa-& by feck did he sease it! he made raffa pick him for the posistion he wanted in the team,rather than the other way round!- how? -by showing grit,determination,an the realisation he had reached his pinickle in life as a footballer playing for LFC. (i really hope most on this forum agree with me on that) masha was outstanding for us on so many occasions i can't believe you are questioning someone who has played for us in the same breath as meireles!

as i say i sincerly hope i am posting such like about meireles as i am about masha-for me that would make him a fantasicic signing-not only that but a bl00dy good value for money signing aswell! only time-(that for me,he shouldn't need in the first place)
if he's that good shouldn't need.

by **PabloMedina28** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:10 am

Play him in midfield with Gerrard roy and well see the best out of him stop :censored:

about with him on the wings r playing him behind the striker when we have Cole

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:05 am

PabloMedina28 wrote:Play him in midfield with Gerrard roy and well see the best out of him stop about with him on the wings r playing him behind the striker when we have Cole

Again with Gerrard in midfield, he's absolutely useless there. If Roy had any balls he'd stick him on the right and play Lucas and Raul in the middle.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:41 am

redhayesy wrote:mate,you don't get it -it doesn't matter where you play or where you choose to play,the fact remains YOU HAVE BEEN CHOSEN TO PLAY FOR LFC, as a new signing he should an want to play anywhere in the team end of!

ffs he is a new signing,he should be pinching himself not to just know he has arrived AT LFC,but to also think -i'm starting in the first team,so i'm going to show everyone i'm worthy of this chance,give my all regardless of where i play,cause with my so called knowledge an experience of top flight football i will shine where-ever,plaese mate tell me one game so far he has demonstrated such actions,cause i'm still un-sure of this.

completely disagree.

first of all, when you purchase a player, you play him where he will blossom. not just to fill in a gap. otherwise, why not buy a player who plays in the position where the gap needs filling?

and second point, lets be realistic, Liverpool isnt the biggest club in Europe anymore. there's no need to pinch themselves. there's Munich, Real, Barca, Inter, Milan, Juventus, Man Utd and Arsenal with a great establishment.

and there's those like as Man City and Chelsea with no prior history of note, but such is the trend in today's sports that money talks. its sad. i grew up watching football at a time where there was passion for the sport. these days, with changes in society and all, players seem to play for money and high-end cars or jewels. its not the same anymore Hayesy. money talks and buys you success. that's the trend since Roman came in.

by **rocky29** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:01 am

everyone has been licking his a'rse since he arrived hes this hes that. Well i havent seen feckall apart from him giving the ball away numerous times hes to lightweight gets knocked of the ball way to easy and has hardly contributed. 11 million quid wasted when we didnt need him plus why did roy buy him when he wud rather play poulsen in his position

by **aCe'** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:14 am

rocky29 wrote:everyone has been licking his a'rse since he arrived hes this hes that. Well i havent seen feckall apart from him giving the ball away numerous times hes to lightweight gets knocked of the ball way to easy and has hardly contributed. 11 million quid wasted when we didnt need him plus why did roy buy him when he wud rather play poulsen in his position

For someone who doesn't know, you're very outspoken !

by **Ben Patrick** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:25 am

rocky29 wrote:everyone has been licking his a'rse since he arrived hes this hes that. Well i havent seen feckall apart from him giving the ball away numerous times hes to lightweight gets knocked of the ball way to easy and has hardly contributed. 11 million quid wasted when we didnt need him plus why did roy buy him when he wud rather play poulsen in his position

he's better than aquilani though :nod

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