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by **metalhead** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:54 am

more players on our way then :;):

by **maguskwt** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:18 am

killerp wrote:Interesting, read.

Tom Werner, the Liverpool chairman, has said Fenway Sports Group will continue to invest in restoring "the lustre" of the club but that Uefa's financial fair play rules must be enforced to enhance the competitiveness of the Premier League.

Liverpool are close to taking their summer spending to £54m with the £6m purchase of José Enrique from Newcastle United and, having paid £57.8m for Andy Carroll and Luis Suárez in January, FSG has sanctioned the biggest spending spree in the club's history. Not surprisingly John W Henry, the club's principal owner, has admitted it would be a major disappointment should Liverpool fail to qualify for the Champions League this season. Werner has refused to set defined targets but said FSG's investment in the club is far from over.

"I don't want to promise so much," the Liverpool chairman said. "I know John has said we're going to be top four and Kenny [Dalglish] says well why can't we win. But we just want to move forward – we want to be better this year than last year and just keep going on the right track."

Werner added: "I think the most important thing, and it may seem obvious, is put on a quality product for your fans. These are people who spend their hard earned pounds to come to see the club, and we've got supporters all around the world, who expect a quality product, and so it's been our goal to try to improve our position on the pitch and to try and create an environment for players to say they want to play in Liverpool, and to bring some of the lustre that all the fans know back to the club."

Liverpool's chairman has echoed Henry's view on financial fair play, however. The club's principal owner recently backed Arsène Wenger's suspicion of Manchester City's £400m naming-rights deal with Etihad Airways, tweeting: "A club's best player has to be worth at least 10% of your naming rights. Mr Wenger says boldly what everyone thinks."

Werner said: "I hope there's some teeth in it because I think it's healthy for the sport. It will make the sport more competitive. Part of our assumption when we came in last year was that financial fair play was coming into existence and that we'd hope it would have some teeth. It will make the performance on the pitch more competitive."

In an interview with LFC TV, entitled "Tom Werner: Up Close and Personal", which airs on Friday at 7.30pm, the club chairman also backed Dalglish to continue his dramatic overhaul of the team's performances this season.

Werner added: "I can't think of somebody who embodies the relentlessness and the drive and the attitude of excellence better than Kenny. Obviously we knew of him before we met him. I think he is a natural leader; I've had the privilege to watch him as he trains the men at Melwood. And I just think he's so charismatic and I think he's been able to instil a sense of purpose into the club; and when he says something, I think people listen."

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/12/tom-werner-liverpool

They seem to be playing the proverbial good cop bad cop. Not exactly but in a way. But so far they have put their money where their mouths are. In fact they have spent more money than words. The squad is much stronger now. My only concern is that the squad is built on good players but starting to lack abit of world class players. There's actually only Gerrard and Reina. Gerrard's fitness is a concern now so that only leaves us with Reina. Suarez has the potential to become world class but he has yet to play a full season in the premiership.

by **killerp** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:50 am

maguskwt wrote:
killerp wrote:Interesting, read.

Tom Werner, the Liverpool chairman, has said Fenway Sports Group will continue to invest in restoring "the lustre" of the club but that Uefa's financial fair play rules must be enforced to enhance the competitiveness of the Premier League.

Liverpool are close to taking their summer spending to £54m with the £6m purchase of José Enrique from Newcastle United and, having paid £57.8m for Andy Carroll and Luis Suárez in January, FSG has sanctioned the biggest spending spree in the club's history. Not surprisingly John W Henry, the club's principal owner, has admitted it would be a major disappointment should Liverpool fail to qualify for the Champions League this season. Werner has refused to set defined targets but said FSG's investment in the club is far from over.

"I don't want to promise so much," the Liverpool chairman said. "I know John has said we're going to be top four and Kenny [Dalglish] says well why can't we win. But we just want to move forward – we want to be better this year than last year and just keep going on the right track."

Werner added: "I think the most important thing, and it may seem obvious, is put on a quality product for your fans. These are people who spend their hard earned pounds to come to see the club, and we've got supporters all around the world, who expect a quality product, and so it's been our goal to try to improve our position on the pitch and to try and create an environment for players to say they want to play in Liverpool, and to bring some of the lustre that all the fans know back to the club."

Liverpool's chairman has echoed Henry's view on financial fair play, however. The club's principal owner recently backed Arsène Wenger's suspicion of Manchester City's £400m naming-rights deal with Etihad Airways, tweeting: "A club's best player has to be worth at least 10% of your naming rights. Mr Wenger says boldly what everyone thinks."

Werner said: "I hope there's some teeth in it because I think it's healthy for the sport. It will make the sport more competitive. Part of our assumption when we came in last year was that financial fair play was coming into existence and that we'd hope it would have some teeth. It will make the performance on the pitch more competitive."

In an interview with LFC TV, entitled "Tom Werner: Up Close and Personal", which airs on Friday at 7.30pm, the club chairman also backed Dalglish to continue his dramatic overhaul of the team's performances this season.

Werner added: "I can't think of somebody who embodies the relentlessness and the drive and the attitude of excellence better than Kenny. Obviously we knew of him before we met him. I think he is a natural leader; I've had the privilege to watch him as he trains the men at Melwood. And I just think he's so charismatic and I think he's been able to instil a sense of purpose into the club; and when he says something, I think people listen."

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/12/tom-werner-liverpool

They seem to be playing the proverbial good cop bad cop. Not exactly but in a way. But so far they have put their money where their mouths are. In fact they have spent more money than words. The squad is much stronger now. My only concern is that the squad is built on good players but starting to lack abit of world class players. There's actually only Gerrard and Reina. Gerrard's fitness is a concern now so that only leaves us with Reina. Suarez has the potential to become world class but he has yet to play a full season in the premiership.

I'm happy with the progress overall. We won't see world class additions until we get back into the CL.

by **The Good Yank** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:09 am

killerp wrote:I'm happy with the progress overall. We won't see world class additions until we get back into the CL.

I agree. Not to mention that we can only register 25 players over 21 for the Prem, which is why I think the Enrique signing took place after jova hitting the bricks. It may have something to do with clearing wages, but I think FSG are more worried about having players on the books being left out of the 25 (ie, p.issing money away). Value for money spent is a big thing with FSG, as it should be.

They've shown that if a player is available, and he fits the team, they will reach into their pockets for the transfer fee. However it seems now that they are going on sell to buy. Not in the way of T&T where it was $ for $, but in terms of spots available in the squad.

This philosophy (If I am correct) makes total sense. If you've got Joe Cole in your squad making 90,000 per week and nobody wants him, well, you have to put the ball in his court and make him work for it. No sense in having him out of the 25 and making that kind of money. Purslow really fooked us on that deal.

I'm not trying to make FSG inot Saints or anything, but I think they have long term goals as to how they will make money with LFC. It's got nothing to do with a stadium (which I think they'll do in one way or the other), It's got nothing to do with player sales. It's going to be by TV rights money. Launching a LFC Telvision channel where all games can be broadcast in the US and Canada where the cable companies give them 5 cents per household (over 200,000,000) per month, is where the real money is.

"But surely that many Americans wouldn't subscribe to LFC would they"

This is where the Cable companies work their magic. LFCTV would be grouped into the sports package. You want to watch, Hockey, Basketball, Baseball or Golf ? Well if you do you are getting this LFC Channel as well. Arsenal already have it in a sense. They have a partnership with YES (New York Yankees) they don't show the games live but have all sorts of Arsenal shows on that network. The reason they don't have the rights to show games live is because of the current BPL TV deal.

MLB teams for the most part now have their own Television networks here in the US. Most of them bring the clubs 100's of millions of dollars per year. The amount of money that is not being made by English teams is staggering considering that it is the most watched league in the world.

by **parchpea** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:14 am

Even if the fair play rules have no teeth as Werner alludes too those two clubs with oil money cannot purchase every player on the market and Liverpool will compete for the rest along with the Mancs and Arsenal. Despite their success and pedigree United still do not have the resources to compete on wages with Chelsea and City but are simply ahead of them in terms of experience and management. Europes other elite Barca and Madrid can take a player on the size of their clubs alone and often wage will not be the decding factor but I would suggest they are the only two clubs capable of that.

by **ethanr** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:37 am

The Good Yank wrote:
killerp wrote:I'm happy with the progress overall. We won't see world class additions until we get back into the CL.

I agree. Not to mention that we can only register 25 players over 21 for the Prem, which is why I think the Enrique signing took place after jova hitting the bricks. It may have something to do with clearing wages, but I think FSG are more worried about having players on the books being left out of the 25 (ie, p.issing money away). Value for money spent is a big thing with FSG, as it should be.

They've shown that if a player is available, and he fits the team, they will reach into their pockets for the transfer fee. However it seems now that they are going on sell to buy. Not in the way of T&T where it was $ for $, but in terms of spots available in the squad.

This philosophy (If I am correct) makes total sense. If you've got Joe Cole in your squad making 90,000 per week and nobody wants him, well, you have to put the ball in his court and make him work for it. No sense in having him out of the 25 and making that kind of money. Purslow really fooked us on that deal.

I'm not trying to make FSG inot Saints or anything, but I think they have long term goals as to how they will make money with LFC. It's got nothing to do with a stadium (which I think they'll do in one way or the other), It's got nothing to do with player sales. It's going to be by TV rights money. Launching a LFC Telvision channel where all games can be broadcast in the US and Canada where the cable companies give them 5 cents per household (over 200,000,000) per month, is where the real money is.

"But surely that many Americans wouldn't subscribe to LFC would they"

This is where the Cable companies work their magic. LFCTV would be grouped into the sports package. You want to watch, Hockey, Basketball, Baseball or Golf ? Well if you do you are getting this LFC Channel as well. Arsenal already have it in a sense. They have a partnership with YES (New York Yankees) they don't show the games live but have all sorts of Arsenal shows on that network. The reason they don't have the rights to show games live is because of the current BPL TV deal.

MLB teams for the most part now have their own Television networks here in the US. Most of them bring the clubs 100's of millions of dollars per year. The amount of money that is not being made by English teams is staggering considering that it is the most watched league in the world.

You bring up a very, very good point. They are American, and they understand how it works in America. They know they can bring it to America and make money off of it.

When I subscribed to FSC for $15 a month, I got 12 channels with it. They could do the same with LFC TV.

by **Penguins** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:02 am

Well, I am happy so far but I am wary of american owners in how they invest.

We saw it with the vermin but also with Lerner at Villa.
The arrive and make big investments in the team early on but after 2-3 seasons they pull the plug and invest very little...

Americans will often look at the $$$$$ a bit too much imo and for those of you who pull upp the "business talk" I say "they should invest i stocks or Microsoft if they want to make money!"

Football is/should not be about profits/proftis margins/business :censored:

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Football is about winning nothing more, nothing less.

by **jimmy brighton** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:24 pm

Penguins wrote:Well, I am happy so far but I am wary of american owners in how they invest.

We saw it with the vermin but also with Lerner at Villa.
The arrive and make big investments in the team early on but after 2-3 seasons they pull the plug and invest very little...

Americans will often look at the $$$$$ a bit too much imo and for those of you who pull upp the "business talk" I say "they should invest i stocks or Microsoft if they want to make money!"

Football is/should not be about profits/proftis margins/business .
Football is about winning nothing more, nothing less.

So you think Fenway came over here to invest in a club so that they could just enjoy watching us fans going delirious every time we lifted a trophy? I don't think so. You're talking about 'soccer' before Sky bought into it and created the Man Utd league so everyone could try and eradicate memories of the Liverpool days. Now we're talking about major businessmen who are looking for a profit somewhere down the line.
You mention a couple of the yank owners but I don't hear any of the scumbags whinging now that they've grabbed number nineteen. Not a word. Especially after their recent investments.
Fenway are achieving what they said they would set out to do. Finding the right man in Kenny and then seriously investing in the squad. Or collateral you may say. They're record back in their home land speaks volumes

by **Reg** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:42 pm

Rightly so, we shouldn't expand further until we offload the deadweights. I guess we'll have to wait until the January window now but that said, what we havenow is far stronger than the squad we had this time last year. :cool:

Now its up to the players to repay the faith. And the money.

by **jacdaniel** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:52 pm

Penguins wrote:Well, I am happy so far but I am wary of american owners in how they invest.

We saw it with the vermin but also with Lerner at Villa.
The arrive and make big investments in the team early on but after 2-3 seasons they pull the plug and invest very little...

Americans will often look at the $$$$$ a bit too much imo and for those of you who pull upp the "business talk" I say "they should invest i stocks or Microsoft if they want to make money!"

Football is/should not be about profits/proftis margins/business .
Football is about winning nothing more, nothing less.

That could be true, but the standard charter and warrior deals will bring in lots of money. Qualifying for the CL will also bring in money if we can get back there soon. A new stadium would bring in a lot more money too. And of course, having no debt means we're not paying massive interest on loans. This also = more money.

So maybe they will stop investing their own money but hopefully the things Ive mentioned above will always ensure that money is there.

by **maguskwt** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:47 pm

jimmy brighton wrote:
Penguins wrote:Well, I am happy so far but I am wary of american owners in how they invest.

We saw it with the vermin but also with Lerner at Villa.
The arrive and make big investments in the team early on but after 2-3 seasons they pull the plug and invest very little...

Americans will often look at the $$$$$ a bit too much imo and for those of you who pull upp the "business talk" I say "they should invest i stocks or Microsoft if they want to make money!"

Football is/should not be about profits/proftis margins/business .
Football is about winning nothing more, nothing less.

So you think Fenway came over here to invest in a club so that they could just enjoy watching us fans going delirious every time we lifted a trophy? I don't think so. You're talking about 'soccer' before Sky bought into it and created the Man Utd league so everyone could try and eradicate memories of the Liverpool days. Now we're talking about major businessmen who are looking for a profit somewhere down the line.
You mention a couple of the yank owners but I don't hear any of the scumbags whinging now that they've grabbed number nineteen. Not a word. Especially after their recent investments.
Fenway are achieving what they said they would set out to do. Finding the right man in Kenny and then seriously investing in the squad. Or collateral you may say. They're record back in their home land speaks volumes

I have a feeling though that for the owners Kenny is not the long term solution. Maybe 3 seasons at most...

by **jacdaniel** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:56 pm

maguskwt wrote:I have a feeling though that for the owners Kenny is not the long term solution. Maybe 3 seasons at most...

I don't think Kenny would of been the owners first choice but they've got him now.

I also don't think we can predict what will happen in the future.
If we qualify for CL this season, then win the FA cup next season and qualify for CL again, then win the league the next season... thats 3 years and they're hardly gonna replace him if we win the league.

It all depends on what happens on the pitch. If the day comes where we need to change manager, I hope Kenny will be treated with the respect he deserves and offered a role within the club.

by **Zidane** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:52 pm

I think if Kenny does well then they would have no option but to extend him if he wanted to stay, there would be no reason to look elsewhere. It all depends on how successful we are during his tenure/how long he wants to manage.

by **parchpea** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:05 pm

Just enjoy the ride, we have owners spending good money and a manager we all respect and thats something we havent had for quite some time. Its happy days and a terrific season in prospect with a brand new team, no need to look for problems or predict the future just get behind the lads and see how it pans out for us.

by **crim cram** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:06 pm

parchpea wrote:Just enjoy the ride, we have owners spending good money and a manager we all respect and thats something we havent had for quite some time. Its happy days and a terrific season in prospect with a brand new team, no need to look for problems or predict the future just get behind the lads and see how it pans out for us.

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