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ethanr wrote:

maguskwt wrote:

ethanr wrote:We were basically told we sold Alonso for 30 million, but when you look at the actual figures in Liverpool's accounting books, we sold him for something like 23 million.

and you saw the account books? 

Yes sir I did.  Not the actual accounting books, but copied version of them.  I'm assuming a lot of you know who Jaimie Kanwar is, a lot of you actually might hate him and hate me for saying anything good about him, but he looks at what people try to claim and gets factual evidence to either prove it or disprove it.  He copy pasted (?) what the accounting  books had for player sales on many of the players we sold during the benitez era, many of the numbers surprisingly different that the number we thought.  Yes, he could have lied and wrote something different, but there would be no point and he actually has quite a reputation to uphold.

Reputation , are you serious .What reputation ? Your man kanwar tried to do untold damage to LFC whilst Hicks and Gillett were in charge . Ask him about that . The only reputation that this kanwar joker has amongst lfc fans is as a pleb . I cannot believe that there is actually people out there who follow and read his bile . 

RedRory wrote:Sorry ethanr I wasnt trying to suggest that you agree with all of this guys postings, I just googled him and that post popped up at me what with all the media linking us to Suarez, when I read it then I just thought it would be fun to speculate on whether he'd treat Kenny the same if we signed Suarez.

I agree with you that people can write interesting posts and that we should be allowed to quote them without being branded as agreeing with every opinion that person has.

Cant say I agree with you on Johnson though

bavlondon wrote:Latest now is we have bid 19mil, also we arnt the only club bidding for him. And for all those moaning about the lack of credibility of twitter thats fine but this after all is a rumor thread so if you don't like then kindly shut your cakeholes. I think it's refreshing we are all once again talking about getting in a top player. We could always go back to moaning how need quality players.

Twitter is bad though bav for revving the hungry masses up into a frenzy over tranfers. Anyway i reckon nobody knows sod all and it's all happening behind the scenes . Just how it should be ,lke the good old days. THE LIVERPOOL WAY indeed. 

Igor Zidane wrote:

ethanr wrote:

maguskwt wrote:

ethanr wrote:We were basically told we sold Alonso for 30 million, but when you look at the actual figures in Liverpool's accounting books, we sold him for something like 23 million.

and you saw the account books? 

Yes sir I did.  Not the actual accounting books, but copied version of them.  I'm assuming a lot of you know who Jaimie Kanwar is, a lot of you actually might hate him and hate me for saying anything good about him, but he looks at what people try to claim and gets factual evidence to either prove it or disprove it.  He copy pasted (?) what the accounting  books had for player sales on many of the players we sold during the benitez era, many of the numbers surprisingly different that the number we thought.  Yes, he could have lied and wrote something different, but there would be no point and he actually has quite a reputation to uphold.

Reputation , are you serious .What reputation ? Your man kanwar tried to do untold damage to LFC whilst Hicks and Gillett were in charge . Ask him about that . The only reputation that this kanwar joker has amongst lfc fans is as a pleb . I cannot believe that there is actually people out there who follow and read his bile . 

Oh come on I'm trying to be reasonable here.  I don't agree with most the things he says, but he does occasionally say factual things.  I knew I shouldn't have said anything... my apologies for saying something that made you apparently uncomfortable.  I know a lot of people don't like kanwar.. but let me ask you something... If you say he was a Hicks and Gillet supporter and then you say he tried to bring up problems the club were having during their ownership, doesn't that contradict him supporting them? 

Or am I misunderstanding?

ethanr wrote:

RedRory wrote:Sorry ethanr I wasnt trying to suggest that you agree with all of this guys postings, I just googled him and that post popped up at me what with all the media linking us to Suarez, when I read it then I just thought it would be fun to speculate on whether he'd treat Kenny the same if we signed Suarez.

I agree with you that people can write interesting posts and that we should be allowed to quote them without being branded as agreeing with every opinion that person has.

Cant say I agree with you on Johnson though

No problem, and fair enough about Johnson.  I'd be fine trying him at RM.. but prefer Kelley at RB

I knew people would react like this to me bringing up kanwar.  Also, yes I know it's not always in a lump sum depending on any add-ons from appearances, goals, etc... but from what I remember that was either the max we could get or that was it with no add-ons, but I've been wrong before.

I've read, literally over 100 article by kanwar.  Although I don't always support him, he WAS NOT for hicks and gillet.  He hated them as much as the rest of you lot so if you are going to call him a lier, please don't by hypocritcal.  I don't want to start anything on this because I don't live in England and I don't see all the things that happen. It's too hard for me to find the right information here in America because nobody supports football.  So yes, maybe I'm wrong, it's very well possible.  But out of all the articles I have every read be kanwar, I have never heard him support H and G.  Yes, he has claimed that fans have been irrational towards them, but I've never heard him support them, at least from the time I've read any of his articles from about a year and a half ago.

Igor Zidane wrote:

ethanr wrote:

RedRory wrote:Sorry ethanr I wasnt trying to suggest that you agree with all of this guys postings, I just googled him and that post popped up at me what with all the media linking us to Suarez, when I read it then I just thought it would be fun to speculate on whether he'd treat Kenny the same if we signed Suarez.

I agree with you that people can write interesting posts and that we should be allowed to quote them without being branded as agreeing with every opinion that person has.

Cant say I agree with you on Johnson though

No problem, and fair enough about Johnson.  I'd be fine trying him at RM.. but prefer Kelley at RB

I knew people would react like this to me bringing up kanwar.  Also, yes I know it's not always in a lump sum depending on any add-ons from appearances, goals, etc... but from what I remember that was either the max we could get or that was it with no add-ons, but I've been wrong before.

I've read, literally over 100 article by kanwar.  Although I don't always support him, he WAS NOT for hicks and gillet.  He hated them as much as the rest of you lot so if you are going to call him a lier, please don't by hypocritcal.  I don't want to start anything on this because I don't live in England and I don't see all the things that happen. It's too hard for me to find the right information here in America because nobody supports football.  So yes, maybe I'm wrong, it's very well possible.  But out of all the articles I have every read be kanwar, I have never heard him support H and G.  Yes, he has claimed that fans have been irrational towards them, but I've never heard him support them, at least from the time I've read any of his articles from about a year and a half ago.

Ethan . KANWAR blamed everyone from the manager to SOS for the mess LFC were in . He deflected the attention away from the real culprits of all the mess and decided to take it on himself to blame the very people who were fighting hicks and gillett (THE F.UCKIN FANS) . He is a T1t and a fantasist and yes a LIAR . If you want to read the cack he prints fine ethan . What i would say though is have a look around and read the stuff that's really going on and not just what's happening in kanwars head .

Trust me, I've read his on SOS.  I can see why you are so upset that I say anything positive about him since you are a member of SOS, but guess what? Surprisingly I am too.  I try not to be bias tho.  Like I said, I don't live in England and I don't see that that goes on so I can't have in opinion in a lot of that.  What I do believe is some of the facts that he gives.  When he takes information and passes it on, I have no reason to think he's lying.  Could he be altering the reports? Sure why not.  It just makes no point because he wasn't trying to prove a point, he was just sharing information.  I HAVE SAID NOTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THE PLAYERS, FANS OR MANAGEMENT.  The only thing of his I have openly supported is the factual articles he writes.  If he alters the player sells reports than f-ck it, I'm wrong! but how could we tell?  His managerial comparisons and game-by-game comparisons aren't wrong.  Obviously they would be too easy for any idiot with 5 minutes of time to check, those to me are interesting because they put things in perspective that you might not originally notice.  For instance, I thought RH was starting like sh!t at the beginning of the season and he compared the start of Houllier and Benitez to RH.  They were extremely similar in their first 20 games in charge.  In fact they were all three within like 1 win and 1 draw of each other.  I'M SORRY I LIKE READING THESE FACTUAL COMPARISONS.  I HAVE STILL SAID NOTHING ABOUT AGREEING WITH ANYTHING NEGATIVE HE SAYS ABOUT THE CLUB.  Other things he has recently said for example:

Poulson is taking more sh!t than he deserves.  I disagree i think he's sh!t.

RH is wanted by many fans to get the boot, but he feels he should be given until January.  I agreed, and January came and he was fired so I was perfectly fine with that.

The fact that people blamed RH for the Newcastle defeat when our defense was complete garbage.  I agreed

He said don't sign Suarez because he's a cheat.  I disagree.


You know, sometimes he says things that you would agree with too.  The fact that Johnson wasn't worth the 18 million we paid for him, unless you think he was.

He brought up stats at one point saying that Ngog had scored more goals in less starts than Torres.  He also said he was just stating the facts, not claiming Ngog was better or more efficient. 

I understand you don't like him but you have to be more open-minded.  You are so set  on the fact that he is bad to the club and says horrible things that every thing he says is wrong.

Once again, I don't live in England or in Liverpool or in f-ucking Antarctica for that matter.  I've simply stated one "fact" that kanwar claimed and you've gone off at me like I support his thrashing of SOS.  I'm not even in a position to try and claim whether he's right or wrong because I can't and I never will hear of anything that has to do with SOS or has to do with what's going on outside of LFC in Liverpool.  That's just the simple fact of it.  I don't get how you got so angry that I brought up one little thing he claimed to have gotten from player sales reports, and turned it into me supporting his claims that SOS are ruining the club.  FOR FECKS SAKE

ethanr wrote:The thing that's great about how we are dealing with Suarez.  If it were benitez, yea we probably would have signed Suarez yesterday, but we would have paid 25 million for him.  benitez always gave in to the valuation that was demanded.  If you think about the big-name signings we've had in the past few years with benetiz, we paid 20 for Keane, 20 for aqua who was almost unkown, and 18 for johnson.  The reason we never heard of the link between clubs when we were buying was because he would close out the deal almost instantly before anybody had time to even speculate.  It was the same with selling players.  Alonso, for instance.  We were basically told we sold Alonso for 30 million, but when you look at the actual figures in Liverpool's accounting books, we sold him for something like 23 million.  benitez just wanted quick transactions, so he always gave in to other's demands.

With RH, it was hard to tell because the way he signed Meireles was so quick and unkown.  Poulson and Koncheskey weren't worth enough to even bother.  The difference between selling Alonso for 23 or 30 is like us paying either 2.7 or 3.5 for Poulson.  It wasn't a significant enough difference that there should be some long-standing debate between the two.  So we just fork out 3 and nobody complains.  He didn't have to lie to us about what he was spending and recouping.  We were also flat out told that we got for Mash.  We were never really given an exact amount, but it was obvious we didn't get what he was worth.

I'm pretty confident that NESV and Kenny share the idea that the fans should be as involved as possible after the transfer goes through.  I think they really want us to know what they spent on the player.

Ben Patrick wrote:

ethanr wrote:The thing that's great about how we are dealing with Suarez.  If it were benitez, yea we probably would have signed Suarez yesterday, but we would have paid 25 million for him.  benitez always gave in to the valuation that was demanded.  If you think about the big-name signings we've had in the past few years with benetiz, we paid 20 for Keane, 20 for aqua who was almost unkown, and 18 for johnson.  The reason we never heard of the link between clubs when we were buying was because he would close out the deal almost instantly before anybody had time to even speculate.  It was the same with selling players.  Alonso, for instance.  We were basically told we sold Alonso for 30 million, but when you look at the actual figures in Liverpool's accounting books, we sold him for something like 23 million.  benitez just wanted quick transactions, so he always gave in to other's demands.

With RH, it was hard to tell because the way he signed Meireles was so quick and unkown.  Poulson and Koncheskey weren't worth enough to even bother.  The difference between selling Alonso for 23 or 30 is like us paying either 2.7 or 3.5 for Poulson.  It wasn't a significant enough difference that there should be some long-standing debate between the two.  So we just fork out 3 and nobody complains.  He didn't have to lie to us about what he was spending and recouping.  We were also flat out told that we got for Mash.  We were never really given an exact amount, but it was obvious we didn't get what he was worth.

I'm pretty confident that NESV and Kenny share the idea that the fans should be as involved as possible after the transfer goes through.  I think they really want us to know what they spent on the player.

To be far it is highly unlikely that Rafa would have been the person who negotiated transfers.
He may have identified players but wouldnt have been the person that decided figures.