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Postby Igor Zidane » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:19 am

7_Kewell wrote:it would also be nice if people accepted that no one wanted the job, and Roy was the only manager to apply. I want us to be in the top 4 as much as the next red, but it pains me to see people acting like Newcastle fans and slating the manager with petty insults. To me, it's like when 'fans' boo the team at Anfield. It's not the Liverpool way.

The new owners will be watching Roy and i'm sure you'll get your wish soon enough. But it has to be with a long term replacement...another short term measure will not work

Surely you must admit that it only makes sense to sack a manager if you are after someone better ? Why in gods name then would you sack the last manager if you don't have a better replacement to take over ? Why sack him if there was no one else interested in the job .Why sack him if Roy hodgson is your only choice ? Surely that is incompetence on the part of the directors ,No!
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Postby Thommo's perm » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:21 am

Ciggy wrote:First off lets get this one out the way I didnt post when we got beat by Spurs or Stoke, secondly to call me and other people glory hunters because we dont like Hodgson is quite frankly ridiculas.
Those of you that hated Rafa and wanted him are you glory hunters? See the hypocracy in that?

Those of you being most vocal in your support of Roy, wanted Rafa out at all costs, and its killing you people that Roys here its just bravado.

This is the only Liverpool forum that he has a following on even the whoppers on the offal want him out.
But then again this forum was the most vocal in wanting Rafa out coinsidence? No I dont think so.

Why should I back a man I have no belief in?
Will he win us the league? Will he sh!te !!!
Will he win us the CL? Dont be feckin daft !!!
Will we be in the CL next season? Not unless another manager comes in asap !!!!

He's doing one thing well though he's breaking our records all over the shop the last time Liverpool where on - goal difference at this stage in the season was 57 years ago.

The last time we where in the relegation zone like he had us there a few weeks ago was also 57 years ago.

We are 17th in the away form league table http://www.statto.com/footbal....way
lets all get behind the manager hey, the manager who cannot win away from home, the english manager who knows the league inside out but cant win away from home why?
Because he's totally clueless and sets the team up first and foremost not to get beat and play for a draw.

Well Im sorry but its not good enough for my club, we expect to be challenging for every trophy thats on offer, i dont give a rats @rse if everyone hates us I prefer it that way instead we are being told other clubs like us now that nasty fat Spanish waiter has gone.

Wonderfull good old uncle Roy has friends everywhere whys that?  Because other managers are guarenteed 3 points against him when we turn up at their gaff, Fergie loves him, why? Because he is not and never will be a threat to him, never in a million years.

His whole out look screeches negativity, his demeanour is of a mediocre manager who cant believe his luck that he's been given the job at Britains most successfull club, he trys as much as he can to lower our expectations well I am not having it, I dont care he's making us a laughing stock no fears us any more and god forbid Blackpool could even do the double over us since when should we feel fear of Blackpool turning us over twice in a season?

Since we have a manager so far out of his depth that he's drowning and taking us down with him, steady the ship  ??? Iceberg ahead !!!

NESV need to act immediatly otherwise I question why they bought the club in the first place, our best players will leave if he stays Nando & Pepe wont stick around to be turned into english players, no CL for the forseeable future if he stays he will take us back so many years we will end up also rans like Villa, Blackburn & Everton mark my words !!!!

John Henry said we are winners, and we like to win about the Redsox, well Mr Henry our manager is making us look like total losers and if you want a return on your investment in the near future do the right thing for my beloved club before its to late.

Liverpool have taken just five points from a possible 27 on their travels – their worst tally at this stage of a campaign since 1962.

Get this fraud out of our club !!!!

The only one screeching is you
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You wont get your wish because hes here til at least next season. The owners will not make knee jerk reactions and they will give him a chance. Which is more than many "supporters" are doing.
The newcastle match wasnt negative. Watch it again. Individual errors caused the goals. We played well but got beat.
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Postby Ciggy » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:34 am

Thommo's perm wrote:The newcastle match wasnt negative.

Could have sworn we got beat 3-1 thats ok then I see roys lowering the expectations has taken its effect on you.
3 points are all that matters in my eyes, one win away from home in 27 games is not good enough for me, if its fine by you then maybe your supporting the wrong club?
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Postby tubby » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:50 am

Has he gone yet?
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Postby devaney » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:53 am

Ciggy wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:The newcastle match wasnt negative.

Could have sworn we got beat 3-1 thats ok then I see roys lowering the expectations has taken its effect on you.
3 points are all that matters in my eyes, one win away from home in 27 games is not good enough for me, if its fine by you then maybe your supporting the wrong club?

Only yesterday after you got a warning FOR YOUR IDIOTIC and highly insulting  post you stated that you wouldn't be posting again. Do the decent thing and keep to your word. The majority of us are not interested in your bile. It is unbalanced, boring and extremely repetitive. You have no answers. Just who would you replace RH with? The extent of your imagination will no doubt run to suggesting Dalglish!
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Postby stmichael » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:01 am

The Newcastle match wasn't negative? :laugh:

There were too many aimless balls out of defence again. We couldn't retain possession for any significant period of time. Our central midfield was dominated. Our "wide" players never went past their fullbacks once and our main striker was misfiring awfully badly. Not to mention the fact that Andy Carroll dominated both our centre backs.

I'm not putting the blame solely at the managers door. A lot of the players have a lot to answer for aswell. However we surrendered control of the game after getting back to 1-1 and having that decent 10 minute spell. After Ranger came on the game completely changed but Hodgson did absolutely nothing to counter that change. Why? Because he had no idea how to. We just ended up sitting deeper and deeper and inviting pressure against lets face it, an average side (although roy called them "formiddable opposition").

Mind you, the manager also thought we played well in the first half even though we were absolutely woeful and created sod all.
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Postby Ciggy » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:01 am

devaney wrote:Only yesterday after you got a warning FOR YOUR IDIOTIC and highly insulting  post you stated that you wouldn't be posting again. Do the decent thing and keep to your word. The majority of us are not interested in your bile. It is unbalanced, boring and extremely repetitive. You have no answers. Just who would you replace RH with? The extent of your imagination will no doubt run to suggesting Dalglish!

I dont give two sh!ts if I insult him, hes insulting my club by being here, The truth hurts doesnt it, thats why you and the other Roy lovers cant handle it !!!

I think Ill stay around thanx to tell people the truth about the manager !!!
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Postby jacdaniel » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:19 am

I really hope Roy just leaves!  Appointing him was an awfully bad mistake but keeping him for any longer will be an even bigger mistake.
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Postby devaney » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:20 am

Ciggy wrote:
devaney wrote:Only yesterday after you got a warning FOR YOUR IDIOTIC and highly insulting  post you stated that you wouldn't be posting again. Do the decent thing and keep to your word. The majority of us are not interested in your bile. It is unbalanced, boring and extremely repetitive. You have no answers. Just who would you replace RH with? The extent of your imagination will no doubt run to suggesting Dalglish!

I dont give two sh!ts if I insult him, hes insulting my club by being here, The truth hurts doesnt it, thats why you and the other Roy lovers cant handle it !!!

I think Ill stay around thanx to tell people the truth about the manager !!!

We are not Roy lovers and you are possibly even more deluded than I have previously given you credit for if you think that. We were simply prepared to give RH a chance. You started insulting him, soon after his appointment, before a ball was even kicked.
Everybody is fully aware that RH was not the ideal solution but some of us were decent enough to give the man some time considering just what he had to walk into. His first tasks were persuading Gerrard and Torres to stay and complete the sale of Mascherano. The club was in complete and utter disarray and you very naively seem to think that somebody was going to walk in with a magic wand and immediately make a massive difference.

You never come up with any sensible solutions. You just moan and whinge incessantly and bore everybody to death.

If Hodgson should be sacked for his performance would you take the same action towards a certain individual who's team is 7th in Serie A and even more points away from the top of the table than RH. That is some achievement with a treble winning side in a very weak league.

Do us a favour and just go. You obviously post on lots of forums. They maybe interested in your garbage but were not!
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Postby stmichael » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:45 am

He needs to make changes quicker aswell. He's far too slow to react to change things. On Saturday the only change we made was enforced due to injury which was laughable.

Watching Chelsea yesterday they were awful in the first half so Ancelotti brought Drogba on at half time. He did the same at Anfield against us. They were level after 75 minutes and he brought on two more attacking subs.

Ok we may not have the same quality to bring on but why take Joe Cole all that way if you're not going to utilise him at all? Babel may aswell give up because even if he has a couple of decent games he knows he'll be back on the bench. I'd get rid of Jovanovic as he's almost surplus to requirements already.
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Postby metalhead » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:52 am

stmichael wrote:He needs to make changes quicker aswell. He's far too slow to react to change things. On Saturday the only change we made was enforced due to injury which was laughable.

Watching Chelsea yesterday they were awful in the first half so Ancelotti brought Drogba on at half time. He did the same at Anfield against us. They were level after 75 minutes and he brought on two more attacking subs.

Ok we may not have the same quality to bring on but why take Joe Cole all that way if you're not going to utilise him at all? Babel may aswell give up because even if he has a couple of decent games he knows he'll be back on the bench. I'd get rid of Jovanovic as he's almost surplus to requirements already.

I agree, I felt the same way, I thought about bringing Joe Cole instead of Kuyt to keep more possession and have some attacking momentum.

Its very worrying to see the manager looking lost when we went 2-1 down.
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Postby NANNY RED » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:58 am

Good post on the other page there Cigg you Benadorm loving babe

And Igors post in answer to Kewell , thats what we asked in the first place last season, if there are no suitable candidates which there wasnt why ,get rid , and yet yous are doing the same thing , but it was ok last season wasnt it,  Well we know who appointed him and thank god there gone and so should he now,
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Postby Ciggy » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:21 pm

rocky29 wrote:Wow great pic of you in Dubai ciggy you should buy a roy hodgson sticker to go on front of your moto scooter though.  :laugh:

Maybe I can go for a spin with Roy in his? :;):

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Postby rocky29 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:34 pm

Ciggy wrote:
rocky29 wrote:Wow great pic of you in Dubai ciggy you should buy a roy hodgson sticker to go on front of your moto scooter though.  :laugh:

Maybe I can go for a spin with Roy in his? :;):

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:laugh: lol i heard roy bought it off poulsen as he said it was abit to quick for him  :laugh:
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Postby Aussie Style » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:29 pm

I found this on another site, not a bad read..


13 Dec 2010 11:32:26
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Dear Mr Henry,

It is with a very heavy heart that I am writing to you, and the reason why I am writing to you is because of the manager's position at our club. Over the course of this season the club has went from one embarrassing moment to the next, stumbled from one unwanted new low to another and all of the time the culprit for causing this is just one man. . Roy Hodgson.

Roy came to the club in the summer and has since shown every trait that a Liverpool manager SHOULDN'T. I obviously don't need to go through the season game by game and point out to you how poor things have been but here are a collection of Roy's quotes since his arrival:

• Describing Northampton Town as formidable, (what's that about. . they're in the 4th tier of English football for a reason! )
• Calling a victory in Trabzonspor "famous". . (I don't need to tell you that Liverpool Football Club is one of the most famous sporting institutions in the entire world, we have had success that others could never even dream about and although we are not as successful as we were, in recent years we have beaten Inter Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid in the Champions League and domestically Man Utd, Chelsea etc in their own back yards. . victories against Trabzonspor in the Europa League DO NOT come close)
• Saying (albeit tongue in cheek) that he hoped not to lose 6-0 to Man City.
• Saying he wasn't expecting anything out of the Birmingham City game.
• Describing a 2-2 draw at home to Sunderland as finishing the week off with a high point.
• Letting Alex Ferguson get away with calling Torres a cheat. . (it took him 5 days to actually back Torres publically)
• Saying that "To get a result here would have been Utopia" referring to playing Everton away despite the fact we hadn't lost their in the league for a few years before his arrival!
• Calling the Spirit of Shankly Union members who were organising a protest against our previous owners a certain "group of people". . alienating fans that are trying to help progress the club. . and of course this classic
• "The protest does not help but it is something I have had to live with since I came to the club" (Did he not see that this "group of people" were trying to rid the club of a cancer that is killing the club and their removal would actually make the manager's job a hell of a lot easier?)
• His ill informed comments about Kenny Dalglish's "mistreatment" by Rafa Benitez
• His attempts to start an unnecessary and un-Liverpool like media row with previous boss Rafa Benitez
• His public criticism of certain players such as Daniel Agger, Glen Johnson and his apparent freezing out of young starlet Dani Pacheco
• And so not to bore you to death I'll leave you with his most recent one, after our defeat to Newcastle "For a team that wants to be in the top half it's not good enough". . top half. . top half??

His quotes and his approach mimic the mentality of a manager in charge of a club which would not be of the stature of Liverpool Football Club. The way his constantly tries to dampen expectations in his interviews is done so that when his lack of tactical nous becomes apparent he can simply use his self preserving quotes to take the attention of his own short comings. His motivational skills leave a lot to be desired and the sight of him scratching his chin looking like someone who (as I heard someone say the other day) "doesn't understand the question let alone know the answer", is a terrible sight for anyone associated with the club. As he slumped in his seat during the final minutes of the Newcastle game like a disgruntled supporter rather than a pro-active manager, for me that was the last straw, my patience had run out with him many weeks ago but I never felt the anger towards a Liverpool manager as I had right then.

He has played the media card very well, he has been thus far above criticism, coupling that with the fact there are certain sections of the English media who seem to be more than happy with the demise of our football club, only the other night certain "experts" on Sky Sports tried to tell us how much "progress" we had made under Roy. .

Here is how we have fared at this date (13th of December) for the ten seasons before Roy's arrival:

2000 P17 Pts 27 Goal Difference +8 Pos 6th
2001 P15 Pts 33 Goal Difference +14 Pos 1st
2002 P17 Pts 31 Goal Difference +10 Pos 4th
2003 P16 Pts 22 Goal Difference +5 Pos 9th - Gerard Houllier got the boot

2004 P16 Pts 24 Goal Difference +6 Pos 7th
2005 P15 Pts 31 Goal Difference +12 Pos 2nd
2006 P17 Pts 28 Goal Difference +8 Pos 5th
2007 P15 Pts 30 Goal Difference +18 Pos 4th
2008 P17 Pts 38 Goal Difference +15 Pos 1st
2009 P16 Pts 24 Goal Difference +10 Pos 7th - Rafa got the boot

2010 P17 Pts 22 Goal Difference -1 Pos 9th

So where is the progress?

The experts will probably try to say that Liverpool are in fact closer to the top as they are 10 points behind the leaders this year, where as they were 13 points behind at this stage last season, not taking into account that the leaders are in fact 5 points worse off at this point then they were last season (2009 Chelsea played 16 had 37 points. . 2010 Arsenal played 16 have 32 points, Note: Arsenal also have a game in hand on Liverpool)

Liverpool are 6 points clear of the relegation zone. . RELEGATION ZONE?? . . There's 2 words which many generations of Liverpool fan didn't have in their vocabulary, until this year, and for the record we were 10 points clear of it at this stage last season.

As for goals scored and goal difference, I cannot ever remember Liverpool having a negative goal difference in the league in December, we had a -2 before Monday night's game; it was before the game that the "experts" were talking up Liverpool's "progress". . Since we have played and lost to Newcastle and now we have scored 21 goals this season, compared to 32 at this date last season, we now have a -1 in the goal difference column compared to a +10 last season.

Our away form has been nothing but shocking this season too. . Away from Anfield this season we have played 9 games and in almost half of these games we failed to even score, (that's a big fat zero against Birmingham, Stoke, Everton and Man City, with Man City being the only team actually ahead of Liverpool in the league at this time and in those 4 corresponding fixtures last season, we only failed to score against Man City and were unbeaten against all 4) but in these 9 games we have scored 6 goals, conceded 16 and have 5 points at this date last season we had scored 10 times conceded 12 and had 10 points!

Continuing on the theme of away form, we have had 1 win, 2 draws and 6 defeats away from Anfield, the game at Tottenham Hotspur was said to have been our "best away performance" of the season, but looking back, were we really that good?. . I don't think so.

Roy has won 1 of his last 27 away games in the league. . he has won 13 away games out of almost 110 attempts. . how are these statistics associated with the manager of such a massive club with massive expectations?

At this point I would like to say that I am comparing stats to last season, a season that the experts, continually told the world that wasn't good enough for a club like Liverpool and subsequently leading to our manager being removed. . yet the stats from "the worst season ever" as some were referring to it last season are actually BETTER than this season and that's not taking into account that our previous manager had to deal with the awful behind the scenes turmoil that our previous owners caused, Roy complained before the game against Blackpool that the protests against the owners were a distraction "Those people aren't making my job any easier" is what he said, but, thankfully, the ownership issue was sorted just 9 weeks into the season, where as our last manager had to deal with them for 3 YEARS, also last season up to Christmas we had been involved in the Champions League and therefore we could not rest our better plays, as Roy has been allowed to do in the Europa League this season. Roy has also, up to a couple of weeks ago had our best players constantly at his disposal, and last season the manager didn't!

To summarise, at this stage of the season Liverpool Football Club has its:
• Worst points ratio at this stage of the season in donkeys years,
• Lowest position in the table
• Worst away form,
• Worst goal difference and
• Had a Stint in the relegation zone
So now can somebody tell where all this mythical progress is taking place?

There is NO progress though is there, week by week the club is being dragged downwards, the morale of the fans is shattered, the body language of the players is awful, everyone is down in the dumps and the longer Roy has had in the job the worse things have become, therefore the longer he is here there is only one direction we will all go.

The next thing that will probably be rolled out in Roy's defence is that Rafa left him, with what I believe has been referred to by the media as "a mess". . can someone explain to me how it was common belief in May 2009 when Liverpool finished 2nd on 86pts that they had "over achieved", last season they finished 7th and had "under achieved" so Rafa "had to go" and yet Roy who re-shaped the squad adding Joe Cole aged 29, Raul Meireles 27, Christian Poulsen 30, Paul Konchesky 29, Milan Jovanovic 29, Brad Jones 28 and Fabio Aurelio 30, all very senior, very experienced players, (Meireles the only one who has had a positive impact on the current squad) who cost a considerable amount of money, has statistics which are factually inferior to his predecessor, but yet the experts are giving the impression that he (Roy Hodgson) is doing a good job with the "mess" that Rafa left behind?

Roy seemed very proud to be able to tell the world that he had the chance to sing Rafael Van Der Vaart in the summer but turned him down as he wasn't the type of player he wanted, yet he has wasted millions on players like Konchesky, Poulsen (who have turned out to be arguably 2 of the worst players ever to wear a Red shirt) and Jones. And now he has been talking about Carlton Cole being a possible target. . Carlton Cole to Liverpool. . give me strength?

Our previous manager attracted some top quality internationals, we were the 2nd most represented club team at the World Cup during the summer (only behind Barcelona), if you want a return on your investment then surely we should have a manager in place who can attract young players of quality such as Reina, Torres (and the departed Alonso and Mascherano) rather than run of the mill, middle aged (for a footballer anyway) players such as the aforementioned Poulsen and Konchesky.

Our previous manager also believed in trying to attract young talent, Roy simply has no interest in signing young players.
I realise that you did not put him in charge, Roy is seen by almost every Liverpool fan as the last part of the previous owners disastrous regime, and your belief in sabermetrics goes against everything that Roy is and against every player that Roy has signed, so now I beg you, please for the sake of keeping the few world class players we have at the club, for the sake of every Liverpool fans sanity, for the sake of the morale of every Liverpool fan who has ever stepped inside any ground to cheer the Redmen on, for the sake of the traditions of the club that you now own, for the sake of getting Liverpool Football Club on the road to being successful again or even just for the sake of you getting a return on your investment, please rid us of this man, the sooner he is gone the sooner that the disgruntled players, the fans and the club can be united in getting us back to where we belong in world football.

You used Twitter after we had beaten Chelsea this season to post this "An indication of what can happen when this group comes together as one?". . so imagine what we could do if everybody was pulling in the same direction every week of the season?

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