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by **Meireles** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:51 pm

mart wrote:
Fauxy wrote:
Reina

Johnson Carra/Greek Agger Aurelio/New LB

Meireles Poulsen/lucas

Kuyt/Maxi Gerrard Cole/jovanovic

Torres

I think this way would be great.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:52 pm

My solution when playing home games would be to go with the 4-4-2 formation but play Gerrard on the left wing once more ,with Cole tucked just behind Torres and Rodriguez (Yes Maxi as a striker, .... people might be surprised to see how effective he can be there....that is of course if we don't get one )...put Agger back in the center of our defense ...Meireles and Lucas in center mid and you have plenty of service to the front two provided by Gerrard Cole Meireles Kuyt and Johnson this would in turn allow us to press the play further up the pitch with Gerrard also covering the left side as well as Konchesky .... and when we play away deploy Torres as the lone striker with Poulson in front of a strong defense ...
there is also a strong case for Soto to be incorporated into the defense in away games for his sheer presence alone

by **ironman** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:58 pm

Reina

Johnson Agger Carra Konchesky

Merieles Poulsen

Gerrard

Babel (just a bit of pace) maxi

Cole

Torres

by **fivecups** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:00 pm

[quote="Meireles"][/quote]
Adding to Marts setup you can see Roys squad starting to come together. Is it good enough for top 4? Well yes if we get lucky with injuries and form and Roy keeps things simple and doesn't let the incessant pressure get to him:

Reina/Jones

Johnson/Kelly Carra/Greek Agger/Skrtel Aurelio/Konchesky

Meireles Poulsen/lucas

Kuyt/Maxi Gerrard/Pacheco/Cole Babel/jovanovic

Torres/Carlton Cole?/Ngog

by **crim cram** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:02 pm

one of the best threads on here in a long time. Nice to be talking proper footy :cool:

by **stmichael** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:47 am

the thing is, if you're going to play 4-4-2 you really need proper wingers. we don't have any in the squad. the best options would probably be gerrard on the right and cole/babel on the left. you need players who can beat a man. the last few games have highlighted the disadvantages of playing kuyt and jovavnovic in the wide areas. yeah ok they'lll work hard but they're not going to beat a man in the final third and get dangerous balls into the area. yes i know kuyt set up the goal but we need better imo.

of course playing 4-4-2 also brings up the question of who plays upfront with torres. he's spent most of his career playing upfront on his own at club level and at international level he almost plays second fiddle to david villa as far as goalscoring is concerned. we certainly need an option upfront, a focal point if you want who can hold the ball up and play with his back to goal. we'll wait and see if the carlton cole deal goes ahead today because he'd be a good option when torres isn't fit. i don't see them as a partnership, especially against the better sides.

by **tonyeh** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:42 pm

We could play a 442, if the right partner is found for Torres. I don't think it would be that much of a problem and would probably open up options for us.

451, or variations thereof is ok, but you MUST let the midfield go forward in the attack, otherwise you are leaving an incredible amount of work for the frontman and IMO, that's bound to have a negative effect. It's one of the biggest issues I had with the former manager.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing a run of games with Kuyt up top with Torres. He's shown in the past that he's capable of getting in the right places at the right times, for the odd rebound or knock in and he can harras the opposition with his endless energy too.

As for Carlton Cole, I cannot say whether it'll be a good move or not. I haven't seen the lad play too much recently to know. I DO know though, that he's scored around 25 goals in 100 games for West Ham.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:44 pm

We dont have the players to play 4-4-2 . Torres doesnt play with another striker up front with him , we have no really true width and pace in the wide areas .

by **tonyeh** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:51 pm

Our only positional concern in a 442 is the Right Wing.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:52 pm

tonyeh wrote:Our only positional concern in a 442 is the Right Wing.

What about Left wing ?

by **tonyeh** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:52 pm

Cole is a winger.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:53 pm

Cole isnt a winger mate - he is an attacking midfielder who works well in a 4-3-3 formation as part of a front three and is more at home there - not as a winger in a 4-4-2 .

by **tonyeh** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:55 pm

He's played as a winger many times.

Even his wiki page says he's a winger :laugh:

Seriously, he's an option for the left.

Our only positional concern is our right wing. We have no players for that role.

by **Penguins** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:56 pm

stmichael wrote:the thing is, if you're going to play 4-4-2 you really need proper wingers. we don't have any in the squad. the best options would probably be gerrard on the right and cole/babel on the left. you need players who can beat a man. the last few games have highlighted the disadvantages of playing kuyt and jovavnovic in the wide areas. yeah ok they'lll work hard but they're not going to beat a man in the final third and get dangerous balls into the area. yes i know kuyt set up the goal but we need better imo.

of course playing 4-4-2 also brings up the question of who plays upfront with torres. he's spent most of his career playing upfront on his own at club level and at international level he almost plays second fiddle to david villa as far as goalscoring is concerned. we certainly need an option upfront, a focal point if you want who can hold the ball up and play with his back to goal. we'll wait and see if the carlton cole deal goes ahead today because he'd be a good option when torres isn't fit. i don't see them as a partnership, especially against the better sides.

Spot on. We have no real wingers worth their salt...

No pace, no dribblings skills, offer no threat offensivly on their own, but must always have help.

We have never had the money over to spend on top quality wingers. If we had, Alves, Silva, Simao etc would be playing for us as we wanted them all.

by **crazyhorse** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:56 pm

442 is not a tactic that will bring success, especially in Europe. The best sides are all playing 1 up front as it prevents the midfield being overrun. I see Cole as key to this, if he stays fit with Torres up there with Stevie playing the role he is meant to we will be fine.

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