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by **Sabre** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:05 am

Spanish press El Pais, knows who's fault it is, I'll translate a bit of the article

It's all Thatcher's fault

She destroyed the working class culture of that country. Let's take John Terry's case, and it's just a case. In September 11th of 2001 he caused an international scandal when he mocked, all drunk, some american tourists that were mourning the terror attacks. In 2002 he was prosecuted because of a fight. In 2008 he was fined because he parked his sport car in a car place for physically handicapped people. At the start of this year he tried to achieve that a Judge would prohibit to pubblish that he shagged the wife of Wayne Bridge.

It must be something family related, because yesteryear her mother was fined because of thieving in some big supermarket, and his father was caught selling cocaine. We're not talking, we must remember about a humble family: Terry comes from a normal family and he had all the opportunities to play football.

I think that the English footballers, more even so than the rest of footballers, would need some of the old working class discipline. The discipline that was reincarnated by Bill Shankly, the mythical Liverpool coach. One day, the CB Tonny Smith went to a training session with a bandage in the knee. "Remove that poof bandage" ordered Shankly, "It hurts" answered back Tommy Smith, one of the toughest defenders in England, "Your knee? that knee is Liverpool's" answered Shankly"

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Well, at least the press in my country are right on Shankly and Terry

by **stmichael** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:20 am

i don't really know why anybody is surprised by england's exit. it says it all for me when probably the most intelligent footballer we still have is 35, plays for man united and retired from international footbal six years ago.

as nan said, it's a grass roots thing. the fa have to be the most incompetent bunchs of fools going. they haven't got a clue.

by **stmichael** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:23 am

Waddle sums it up perfectly for me:

The FA sit on their backsides and do nothing tournament after tournament after tournament. Why don't they listen? Why don't they look at other countries and ask 'how do they keep producing talent?'

We coach talent out of players. We're looking to Gerrard and Rooney to turn up at this tournament but they haven't. So where do we go, where is plan B? We haven't got one. We say we've got pacey wingers, we haven't.

The back four can't control it, can't pass it. We lack so many ideas and it is so frustrating. The amount of money in our league is frightening and all we do is waste it on rubbish ideas.

Premier League football is a hundred miles an hour, its like basketball. When you play in the Premier League you can go: you attack, we attack, you attack, we attack.

Germany play exactly like Bayern Munich, or Shalke or Werder Bremen so they take the football from club level onto the international pitch. We try to take the Premier League onto the pitch and were not technically good enough.

We come up against a team that can play little triangles around us. Germany, Spain, all the good sides play around it and we can't adapt to any other system.

We kid ourselves thinking we have a chance if we keep the tempo up. We can only play one way and it is poor. You can't go on playing football and hoping to win trophies playing a hundred miles an hour and putting teams under pressure for 90 minutes. You've got to be able to play slow, slow, quick and we can't do it.

by **SeaofRed** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:12 am

I stopped playing sunday league football aged 15 after I got fed up of having to run onto the end of long balls, it was constant hoofing the ball up the pitch towards me (I'm 5ft 5, maybe 5ft 6), by the time I had bought the ball under control I had three defenders surrounding me with no one to lay the ball off too, so I can understand that grass roots needs to change.

There is no freedom of expression at grass roots football, there is no time to hone one's technique, it's all about getting the ball out of your feet quickly via route one football. The only real team that I saw play attractive football during my sunday league days was a team called Chelsea Athletic who were extraordinary in their passing and their movement - they beat us every single season and once beat us 13-1, I kid you not. We just could not play against them. No one enjoys getting trashed every single week and after several seasons of constant beatings, I left to pursue a career with GCSE's and A-Levels.

by **rocky29** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:28 am

harry redknapp on talksport again gloating about our dire world cup again. Jealous fecker. And hinting he would love the job. How long do u think it would be before the papers would have a field day about harrys tax or back handers. Hes a right arthur daley anyone agree?

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:46 am

rocky29 wrote:harry redknapp on talksport again gloating about our dire world cup again. Jealous fecker. And hinting he would love the job. How long do u think it would be before the papers would have a field day about harrys tax or back handers. Hes a right arthur daley anyone agree?

I think Harry is the best British manager out their. He always gets the best ou of his players. He has always improved the league position of every club he has managed.

However, I dont want him managing England.. I want him managing Liverpool!

by **Big Niall** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:35 pm

This is good for English football. IN the past scapegoats have been found. ONce papers print articles about grassroots football not producing players comfortable on the ball, or midfielders that do the simple things like show for the ball from the defense and then pass it to a player that is free and show for the return ball.

Hustle and bustle football wins nothing.

by **andy_g** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:46 pm

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:
rocky29 wrote:harry redknapp on talksport again gloating about our dire world cup again. Jealous fecker. And hinting he would love the job. How long do u think it would be before the papers would have a field day about harrys tax or back handers. Hes a right arthur daley anyone agree?

I think Harry is the best British manager out their. He always gets the best ou of his players. He has always improved the league position of every club he has managed.

However, I dont want him managing England.. I want him managing Liverpool!

i was thinking about harry redknapp while i was having my breakfast this morning (weird... i know), and about the comments by people saying that england just cannot play as a team, despite the presence of some genuinely good players. a succession of talented managers (and yes, i include sven amongst them) have failed to get these players to gel for more than 10 or 15 minutes at a time. the FA need to forget about appointing tacticians and dictators and get someone in that has a track record of building teams and getting the whole to be more than the sum of its parts. harry redknapp pretty much fits the bill in that respect.

by **dawson99** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:48 pm

Harry did think though that Aaron Lennon was the best right midfielder in the premiership, and he is dodgy as feck, but the stats dont lie

by **SeaofRed** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:50 pm

Neither does selecting the wrong players for the World Cup or the wrong formation, tactics.

Fabio Capello also needs to be held to account as do the players, players like Frank Lampard and John Terry shouldn't play for England again, neither should Carragher, neither should Heskey or SWP, Aaron Lennon and Theo Walcott. It's quite concerning when your only true out and out winger is Jermaine Pennant.

by **SeaofRed** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:01 pm

I think England's next 26 man squad for the European Championship qualifiers should be:

GK - Joe Hart, Paul Robinson and Chris Kirkland.

DF - Glen Johnson, Micah Richards, Michael Turner, Richard Shawcross, Michael Mancienne, Michael Dawson, Ashley Cole and Wayne Bridge.

MF - Joe Cole, Steven Gerrard, Scott Parker, Lee Cattermole, Adam Johnson, Jermaine Pennant, Jack Wilshere, Dan Gosling, Jack Rodwell and James Milner.

ST - Peter Crouch, Darren Bent, Jermain Defoe, Danny Welbeck and Andy Carroll.

Granted this team wouldn't win the competition, I'm all for seeing the back of the so called "Golden Generation".

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:43 pm

stmichael wrote:Waddle sums it up perfectly for me:

The FA sit on their backsides and do nothing tournament after tournament after tournament. Why don't they listen? Why don't they look at other countries and ask 'how do they keep producing talent?'

We coach talent out of players. We're looking to Gerrard and Rooney to turn up at this tournament but they haven't. So where do we go, where is plan B? We haven't got one. We say we've got pacey wingers, we haven't.

The back four can't control it, can't pass it. We lack so many ideas and it is so frustrating. The amount of money in our league is frightening and all we do is waste it on rubbish ideas.

Premier League football is a hundred miles an hour, its like basketball. When you play in the Premier League you can go: you attack, we attack, you attack, we attack.

Germany play exactly like Bayern Munich, or Shalke or Werder Bremen so they take the football from club level onto the international pitch. We try to take the Premier League onto the pitch and were not technically good enough.

We come up against a team that can play little triangles around us. Germany, Spain, all the good sides play around it and we can't adapt to any other system.

We kid ourselves thinking we have a chance if we keep the tempo up. We can only play one way and it is poor. You can't go on playing football and hoping to win trophies playing a hundred miles an hour and putting teams under pressure for 90 minutes. You've got to be able to play slow, slow, quick and we can't do it.

Some good points there. I would add that the English game, as played in the Premiership, gets cut off at the knees by most international refs, who blow up for any little contact. So much of the English compensation for a lack of ball retention is ball-winning tackles, which are not frequently permitted at the World Cup. You could see it a few times yesterday--moments when players would have slid in or lunged in for the ball in the league but dropped off in the WC for fear of giving away a free kick or a card. In fact, I think Johnson would have probably tackled Scheinsteiger from behind to stop the move that led to the 3rd goal in a league match, knowing that it would have meant a yellow at most. In the World Cup, though, he might have been worried that it might get him sent off, so he let him run past and put the ball on a plate for Muller.

by **Reg** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:00 pm

Hawk-Eye inventor frustrated that Fifa and Uefa not pursuing goal-line technology
Sumant Bhatia
Published: 1:16PM BST 28 May 2010

Email Print Dr Paul Hawkins has developed goal-line technology for the Premier League, but football's governing body, Fifa, prefers extra referees instead.
Hawk-Eye technology may be an integral part of cricket and tennis these days, helping officials decide on LBW and line-call decisions respectively.

Now its inventor has his eyes firmly on football. The Premier League hired Dr Paul Hawkin's company, Hawk-Eye Innovations, to develop a system that could tell whether the ball has crossed the goal-line. It is now ready and fully-functioning.

However the game's governing bodies are not so keen: in March, the group in charge of rules, The International Football Association Board, ruled out the use of goal-line technology and video replays. Indeed Fifa's general secretary Jerome Valcke went as far as to say "The door is closed. The decision was not to use technology at all."

Fifa and football's European arm, Uefa, seem to prefer the use of extra officials on each goal-line; indeed Uefa confirmed this week that it has extended that experiment into next season's Champions League and Euro 2012 qualifiers, after pioneering it in the Europa Cup this year.

Dr Hawkins is disappointed and frustrated, pointing out that tennis embraced Hawkeye technology after some poor umpiring decisions in the 2004 US Open: he feels that similar controversy at the World Cup in South Africa may once again open the door for his technology.

Watch the inteview with Dr Paul Hawkins.

Interview

by **SeaofRed** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:04 pm

Bad Bob wrote: In fact, I think Johnson would have probably tackled Scheinsteiger from behind to stop the move that led to the 3rd goal in a league match, knowing that it would have meant a yellow at most. In the World Cup, though, he might have been worried that it might get him sent off, so he let him run past and put the ball on a plate for Muller.

If that was me I'd have slid in with the intent of taking out that sour kraut, nevermind a booking or a sending off. This is England vs Germany, not men prancing around to Abba in a thrilly pink tutu.

by **laza** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:16 pm

Well with the Ref from Germany v Serbia game I wonder if we will end up with more cards then goals in Holland v Slovakia match

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