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by **LFC2007** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:18 am

Capello has to shoulder a lot of the blame I feel. You can't stick a world class player like Gerrard out on the left and expect Barry and the rest to cope against three German midfielders. They had so much space between the lines that the defence was too often exposed to the Germans turning and running at them (esp Ozil and Muller). These areas should have been more tightly guarded and that could only realistically have been achieved with a five man midfield - Barry and Lampard are not the quickest and neither is the defence (precisely the reason Inter Milan played a compact counter attacking game last season, from Mourinho himself), so to compensate we needed to play a more compact game. In between the lines we were slow and they were incisive - they also did us on the counter through nothing more than basic mistakes. This was the cause of England's downfall and it's why Capello must take a large chunk of the responsibility for England's failure to progress. The other defining factor that made it that much worse is that - even despite the system - the players didn't apply themselves and made too many basic errors. You absolutely 100% do not need exceptionally gifted footballers in order to perform the basics well. This explains how teams like Switzerland can beat teams like Spain - a side that has an abundance of these superskillful players. Once the system is in place, all that is asked is for you to maintain your discipline; when the team's out of possession you get behind the ball quickly, you press in coordination with the players nearest to you and if the opposition try and pass through the lines, you're the first to intercept, to block, to head it, to tackle, and to you clear your lines. Ideally you then hold the ball up and launch a counter attack - and with Gerrard off Rooney, the pace and ability would have been there to threaten the Germans (they were fairly vulnerable at the back, too). It only takes a couple of players to be a little bit late in pressing the second man to cause a problem, for instance when Muller and Ozil got ahead of Upson and when Ozil got ahead of Barry, when they should have been closer to neutralise the threat.

Also as a side note, Spain - one of these gifted, technically brilliant nations Niall refers to - has never gone further than the quarter finals in any world cup. Indeed at the last world cup - like England - they fell at the first hurdle in the knockout phase. This, despite their side containing (technically inferior players like..

) Casillas, Puyol, Xavi, Alonso, Fabregas, Villa and Torres. I suppose that made them a "second rate country" that possesses "technically inferior players", I suppose worse even than Ukraine - who made it to quarter finals. Or does their failure actually suggest that far from not having the individuals, as a team they just didn't perform well enough.

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:29 am

Regaring the England performace during this tournament,and previous tournaments, its gonna carry on being like this unless the system is changed at grass roots level, you watch every other team and they are so confortable in passing the ball, they take players on and if a ball is lost they go after it , This is taught at a very early age in most countrys, not in this counrty though and its sad, Ive been around kids and youth football for years , and alls you hear is get rid . get rid, you have got mums and dads screaming on the line for Jimmy to hit the other kid, you have one dad arguing on the pitch with refs and lines men, the kids are terrified of upsetting the parents , Kids in this country should be encouraged to play football with flair , they should be tought the basics . passing .dribbling, and not be afraid to do it ,they should be encouraged to express themselves in a game , doest matter if it doset come off or they loose, And until this is put into practice and encouraged at grass roots level , English football as it stands will never progress,

by **Kharhaz** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:45 am

You know we are in trouble when, during the season, the media are wetting themself in excitement because Rooney has added "heading a ball" to his game.

I despair...

by **rocky29** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:46 am

Number 9 wrote:3-1 down and needing goals and Capello brings Heskey on!!

FFS £6 mill a year for that...absolute joke...tell ya what FA give me £500 a week and some beer and I'll play the best team and put players were they are best used and maybe talk to them in proper English as opposed to anglo italian......di'cks!

your the d!ick not capello. Typical english fan. Any excuse to blame the manager. If all the players showed half the passion capello does weed be a far better team. Its the players fault no one elses. So admit that your pathetic team simply aint good enough.

by **rocky29** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:58 am

Big Niall wrote:i disagree with some decisons but he is a top manager but the players are not good enough.

England is not a top football country and never has been and just like an alcoholic has to admit the problem, England has to admit this - blaming every single manager you ever have ensures you stay a second level team.

Grass roots football has to move away from hustle and bustle and kick and rush brainless football.

SG is world class when he has a clever player like Alonso next to him. Same with lampard with makelele or ballack but until england produces playere like alonso,ballack,makelele you'll stay a second rate footballing country.

absolutely spot on niall. Would we have the best league in the world if we didnt have all the foreigners in the premiership. No not a fecking chance. To blame capello is an absolute disgrace. Whether you agree with his team selection or not. The guy has more professional his attitude and desire to win than any of our so called top stars.

by **Zidane** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:28 am

Just when the world cup was starting to get excited it becomes tarnished by two REALLY bad calls. After that disallowed goal England could have still gone on to win but they pressed for that equalizer too much and opened themselves up for that third goal.

by **zarababe** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:51 am

Keep it comin....

by **In and Out** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:53 am

David Blaine is said to be gutted because his record of doing f.uck all in a box for 42 days has been broken by Wayne Rooney.

by **tubby** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:56 am

Beckenbauer: "Fourth official should have told referee ball was over the line, he would have seen it on screen"

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On a side note anyone see Heinze hit the camera last night? :laugh:

by **Big Niall** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:41 am

NANNY RED wrote:Regaring the England performace during this tournament,and previous tournaments, its gonna carry on being like this unless the system is changed at grass roots level, you watch every other team and they are so confortable in passing the ball, they take players on and if a ball is lost they go after it , This is taught at a very early age in most countrys, not in this counrty though and its sad, Ive been around kids and youth football for years , and alls you hear is get rid . get rid, you have got mums and dads screaming on the line for Jimmy to hit the other kid, you have one dad arguing on the pitch with refs and lines men, the kids are terrified of upsetting the parents , Kids in this country should be encouraged to play football with flair , they should be tought the basics . passing .dribbling, and not be afraid to do it ,they should be encouraged to express themselves in a game , doest matter if it doset come off or they loose, And until this is put into practice and encouraged at grass roots level , English football as it stands will never progress,

Good post - I said much the same after the last world cup but it was easier to just blame it all on Sven.

When I played (as centre back) when I got the ball all the dad's on the sideline would be shouting at me to hoof the ball as far as I can, when I did - they'd cheer "well done". Hence why Irish and british players cannot stroke the ball around.

by **Big Niall** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:46 am

zarababe wrote:Keep it comin....

That first goal was a disgrace, worse than Englands disallowed goal as the REf had seen it on the screen but still had to give it.

Messi was very quiet too. Argentina weren't quiet as good as I thought they'd be and I think their defense is shakey. The Germany game will be great.

by **tonyeh** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:31 am

The Argies looked weird last night. They were like a swarm of bees at times. I'm not too sure that Diego really knows what he's doing a lot of the time. The Gerries, OTOH, look very focused and they seem to be able to adapt well, even though they are a young team.

The game next Saturday will be a good one, no doubt, but I think the Germans may get the result. Both sides defence's have looked wobbly at times, though, so either one can get goals.

by **Dundalk** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:49 am

England

by **SeaofRed** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:59 am

Mexico were very unfortunate, that first goal was a killer for them. They took their eye off the ball and conceeded a sloppy second, but ultimately the referee cost Mexico the game, but still as professionals the Mexican players must concentrate for the full ninety minutes, they didn't and Argentina put them to the sword like the British Military put those b*stards to the sword in the Falklands.

by **SeaofRed** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:01 am

Dundalk wrote:England

Says the man whose team cannot even beat France over two legs to qualify for the World Cup. I bet Roy Keane's comments must cut through you because he was spot on as usual.

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