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by **SeaofRed** » Sun May 23, 2010 8:30 am

kazza wrote:
SeaofRed wrote:I think it's hilarious how some posters think Rafa will get any money from the sale of Torres to sign new players, I guarantee that nearly all of the Torres transfer fee (if he leaves, I doubt he will and I hope he won't) will go into decreasing the debt.

I think you are right. Selling Torres for 70 million then spending that money to buy 3-4 decent players could work but actuality would be it will be weakening the team to line their pockets. They may give Rafa 20 million of it tops.

You only have to look at the Alonso sale and the Aquilani purchase. Rafa sold Alonso for £30m and then bought Aquilani for £20m. That £20m is being paid in installments, so where did the money go, including the missing £10m? It's either gone into the debt or their own pockets, all I know is it didn't go into Rafa's transfer kitty.

by **ConnO'var** » Sun May 23, 2010 9:56 am

To be honest, whatever money we got for him, is (IMHO) definitely not going to be spent on strengthening the squad.
Even if it was, I don't believe that Benitez will make good use of it.

If a player exchange involving Joe Cole, Essien and Drogba was involved on the other hand, I'd snap their hands off to be sure.....

by **NANNY RED** » Sun May 23, 2010 10:02 am

Yeah i know its the Sunday People but i really hope this is true .

May 23 2010 by James Brown, The People
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FERNANDO TORRES has told team-mates he is pledging his future to Liverpool.

Barcelona are being linked with a £70m move for the *superstar striker this summer and Chelsea are also weighing up a bid.

But Reds goalkeeper Pepe Reina revealed he spoke to Torres this week as he wanted assurances that he is not about to quit Merseyside.

And the forward made it clear he is dedicated to helping *boss Rafa Benitez turn around the club’s ailing fortunes.

The Liverpool stopper said: “I am calm about Fernando. I spoke to him about his future and he has told me that he *intends to continue with us.

“Fernando suffered so many blows last season, but he is a professional and has always wanted to do well for us.

“That is why he remains *committed to this club.”

Benitez has also been linked with a switch away from Anfield as Juventus tracked him, and Inter Milan now have the Spaniard on their radar.

But Reina, who signed a new six-year contract in April, *believes the Anfield chief is on a revenge mission.

He insists the entire club is united as they bid to put the past nine months behind them after Liverpool failed to win a single trophy – and dropped out of the top four. Reina explained: “I am *convinced that Rafa will still be with us and that is good for us because he wants revenge in the next campaign.

“He is a coach who is able to relaunch Liverpool and to lead us to titles. Nobody can doubt his level.

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/ ... 9-22277809

by **lakes10** » Sun May 23, 2010 10:04 am

Reg wrote:Seems odd that Rafa is saying on one hand that Nando is going no where, that he's also back in Spain eating paella yet Citeh etc.. are going to pounce on Torres next week?

Surely Shirley, Torres is now with the Spanish world cup squad and is 'off limits' to both other clubs and journos whilst until after the world cup?

Its gotta be more journalistic cr@p?

agents mate....its all down to agents.

by **tubby** » Sun May 23, 2010 10:59 am

SeaofRed wrote:
kazza wrote:
SeaofRed wrote:I think it's hilarious how some posters think Rafa will get any money from the sale of Torres to sign new players, I guarantee that nearly all of the Torres transfer fee (if he leaves, I doubt he will and I hope he won't) will go into decreasing the debt.

I think you are right. Selling Torres for 70 million then spending that money to buy 3-4 decent players could work but actuality would be it will be weakening the team to line their pockets. They may give Rafa 20 million of it tops.

You only have to look at the Alonso sale and the Aquilani purchase. Rafa sold Alonso for £30m and then bought Aquilani for £20m. That £20m is being paid in installments, so where did the money go, including the missing £10m? It's either gone into the debt or their own pockets, all I know is it didn't go into Rafa's transfer kitty.

Which is why if he does end up going the deal should be a player plus cash deal. At least that way we can guarantee to get in someone of reasonable quality whom we probably wouldn't be able to buy outright anyway.

If it's Inter then Balotelli - he looks to be on his way out of Italy anyway

If it's Barca then either Bojan or Ya-Ya Toure.

Don't even want to think about if it's City or Chelsea as as firmly believe he would not play for any other English side.

Above all that though I hope what Nan posted a few posts up is true. We need to bear 1 thing in mind though, even if Torres and Stevie stay then it wont make any difference unless we bring in more talent around them. We will under perform next season and it will be that much harder to keep them.

by **7_Kewell** » Sun May 23, 2010 12:59 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Yeah i know its the Sunday People but i really hope this is true .

May 23 2010 by James Brown, The People
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FERNANDO TORRES has told team-mates he is pledging his future to Liverpool.

Barcelona are being linked with a £70m move for the *superstar striker this summer and Chelsea are also weighing up a bid.

But Reds goalkeeper Pepe Reina revealed he spoke to Torres this week as he wanted assurances that he is not about to quit Merseyside.

And the forward made it clear he is dedicated to helping *boss Rafa Benitez turn around the club’s ailing fortunes.

The Liverpool stopper said: “I am calm about Fernando. I spoke to him about his future and he has told me that he *intends to continue with us.

“Fernando suffered so many blows last season, but he is a professional and has always wanted to do well for us.

“That is why he remains *committed to this club.”

Benitez has also been linked with a switch away from Anfield as Juventus tracked him, and Inter Milan now have the Spaniard on their radar.

But Reina, who signed a new six-year contract in April, *believes the Anfield chief is on a revenge mission.

He insists the entire club is united as they bid to put the past nine months behind them after Liverpool failed to win a single trophy – and dropped out of the top four. Reina explained: “I am *convinced that Rafa will still be with us and that is good for us because he wants revenge in the next campaign.

“He is a coach who is able to relaunch Liverpool and to lead us to titles. Nobody can doubt his level.

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/ ... 9-22277809

he'll give us another year, but if we finish 7th again then he'll be off.

by **The Good Yank** » Sun May 23, 2010 2:59 pm

7_Kewell wrote:he'll give us another year, but if we finish 7th again then he'll be off.

I agree, and to be honest, if he does leave after giving us one more season and it is anything like this season, I'd fully support him leaving.

by **Greavesie** » Sun May 23, 2010 3:00 pm

The Good Yank wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:he'll give us another year, but if we finish 7th again then he'll be off.

I agree, and to be honest, if he does leave after giving us one more season and it is anything like this season, I'd fully support him leaving.

dunno about 'supporting' his departue but I'd certainly understand and wish him the best

by **tubby** » Sun May 23, 2010 3:41 pm

Can anyone see us finishing higher than 7th if we keep Stevie and Torres and still don't sign any other decent players?

by **Sir Roger** » Sun May 23, 2010 3:51 pm

bavlondon wrote:Can anyone see us finishing higher than 7th if we keep Stevie and Torres and still don't sign any other decent players?

Yes
If the manager plays the strongest team in the best attacking formation with positive tactics.
Playing to your strengths can have a great effect on results

by **TheLad** » Sun May 23, 2010 3:53 pm

Sir Roger wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Can anyone see us finishing higher than 7th if we keep Stevie and Torres and still don't sign any other decent players?

Yes
If the manager plays the strongest team in the best attacking formation with positive tactics.
Playing to your strengths can have a great effect on results

This

by **red_guy** » Sun May 23, 2010 4:13 pm

TheLad wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Can anyone see us finishing higher than 7th if we keep Stevie and Torres and still don't sign any other decent players?

Yes
If the manager plays the strongest team in the best attacking formation with positive tactics.
Playing to your strengths can have a great effect on results

This

by **tubby** » Sun May 23, 2010 4:17 pm

red_guy wrote:
TheLad wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Can anyone see us finishing higher than 7th if we keep Stevie and Torres and still don't sign any other decent players?

Yes
If the manager plays the strongest team in the best attacking formation with positive tactics.
Playing to your strengths can have a great effect on results

This

But you all know Rafa is generally quite stubborn with things so how likely is he to suddenly play his best team all the time? I suppose with no CL football there is a chance.

by **red_guy** » Sun May 23, 2010 4:21 pm

bavlondon wrote:
red_guy wrote:
TheLad wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Can anyone see us finishing higher than 7th if we keep Stevie and Torres and still don't sign any other decent players?

Yes
If the manager plays the strongest team in the best attacking formation with positive tactics.
Playing to your strengths can have a great effect on results

This

But you all know Rafa is generally quite stubborn with things so how likely is he to suddenly play his best team all the time? I suppose with no CL football there is a chance.

That's what we all wanted him to do, bav. Take a risk, die trying. I hope next season would be better.

by **red_guy** » Sun May 23, 2010 4:23 pm

bavlondon wrote:
red_guy wrote:
TheLad wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Can anyone see us finishing higher than 7th if we keep Stevie and Torres and still don't sign any other decent players?

Yes
If the manager plays the strongest team in the best attacking formation with positive tactics.
Playing to your strengths can have a great effect on results

This

But you all know Rafa is generally quite stubborn with things so how likely is he to suddenly play his best team all the time? I suppose with no CL football there is a chance.

Double post.

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