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[bigmick]

No, that bit was down to Rafa, the bad bit was down to Parry mate

[Sabre]

Yes, it was down to Rafa, it seems, that the relationship deteriorated, not Parry.

However it's down to Rafa that the times in which a Spanish club went to Liverpool and brought their McManamans and Owens for cheap are over. No?

[bigmick]

No mate, that's down to Purslow

[Sabre]

Well Purslow then. I don't care tonight.  The thing is that if someone came here in year 2009 to ask price for Gerrard, the amount would be unpayable.

Back 5 years ago we almost saw Gerrard gone for a price that at the time might seem reasonable, but now would seem a silly sell.

Well done Purslow. It was about time Liverpool realised that they can't have more robberies of their players.

[NANNY RED]

Im keepin me Xabi avitar a bit , i watched Real the other night he was just magnifivent

[Fauxy]

I blame the two yanks, why? Because if they had made the funds available for Rafa in the first place then he would have never had to sell him to get more money!!

[Madmax]

Parry should be killed fecking [email]w@nker...[/email] Anyhow who needs alonso we have injury free aquilani!!!!!

[Lando_Griffin]

Fecking Parry's fault I reckon

F*ck off Mick. You're less humorous than a clap test.

[bigmick]

Fecking Parry's fault I reckon

F*ck off Mick. You're less humorous than a clap test.

I'll have to take your word for it Lando. Good post anyway 

[Octsky]

i wish we have Barry now.
Rafa has come to a situation like a guy who lose his wife and mistress at the same time.
Surprised on how hard Alonso took on the decision to sell him.
Well, its for football reasons and nothing personal.
But I blamed Parry as well, we let Barry down last season, we let Keane down, top players in EPL will see moving to LFC a big risk.

[SupitsJonF]

I'd trade getting 4th in the league last year to get Xabi here now.  Coming second best, losing our best midfielder (excluding Gerrard ), a backup striker (although frustrating would become more useful then our current ) does nothing for me tbh.  He really screwed this up, and theres no real excuse about it, he made a call and it bit him in the .

[banana]

I just don't understand why so many Liverpool supporters have to fall in love with every player that plays regular 1st team football.

If everyone are so great why doesn't we win the league.

Like this year for example.

Gerrard, Torres, Masch, Carra, Skrtel, Kuyt, Alonso, Reina
Hyppia, Aurelio, Babel were the players we used most of this past season.

And for some reason fans thinks like this:

Everyone of those players are great and it is because of bit part players like Voronin, Risse etc that we fail to get within distance from Manure.

What kind of logic is that?

For example everyone could see that Sissoko, Cisse were limited and just not up to the standard required in this league. But they had their moments and still even now some think they should never have been sold. Beggars belief really when you think how they were at times.

And now Alonso. He is a player with phenomenal skill, but it is just so painfully obvious he is eaten alive in this fast paced league and he just can't handle it and hasn't done it for the past couple of seasons. And still people go on about his 1st season as some kind of "love at 1st sight thing"
I don't care if a player was great if he is really poor now.
It is now that counts and if people takes of their blindfolds
they will see that Alonso hasn't done jack for a very long time and hasn't been effective at all.

Kuyt is another example who scored  3 goals(pens) as a striker for something like 23 games before we just couldn't keep him there. Still people love him because he was just so great in the 1st game vs West Ham. Pathetic I say.
He is just lacking in so many areas it's horrifying and has been pisspoor 90% of the season and still we all love Kuyt.
And a whole season doesn't count as a blip on the radar or just poor patch of form. It is genuinly rubbish, nothing more, nothing less.

It's all Voronin and Risse's fault. Blame them...   

I don't hate certain players and I will wish them the best when they move on, but my priority is LFC and not some player who was good once.

I do feel sorry for you. I have to conclude either:

a) You are a young person, maybe 13 years or something so you have little clue about the game or little knowledge of LFC

b) You are older but "new" to the game so you have not developed an eye for the game or an "understanding"



As a footballer Alonso is among the 5 best midfielders I have seen at Liverpool since the early 1980's.

I rate him alongside Steve McMahon, Ray Houghton, a young Ronnie Whelan and Graeme Souness.

So in what way is Alonso top 5 in the world?

His stats are abysmal the past few years, and unless
you have been blind watching Alonso rarely sprays the ball around anymore and do anything effective with the ball.

Both stats and his poor overall showings on the field shows that.

And I can only put you in one category:

Liverpool supporter who has  to fall in love with every player that plays regular 1st team football.
And how can 2 full seasons be called off form???
How long is that lie gonna hold up?
It's time to call a spade a spade.

And I'd like to see more of Lucas and Plessis as they should be able to develop and get more games next season.
I myself think 4 CM are more than enough for a season
and Lucas and Plessis must get more 1st team football
to reach their potential.

I guess we have to agree to disagree in Joaquin LFC2007.
But he was just an example.
When was the last time we had a top class winger?
We will never win without one.
And Kuyt isn't the answer, even if everyone is trying to force that belief onto themselves.
But please slate me all you want for saying certain players
have been poor this season.
I want LFC to win, and care little for sentimental
or feel sorry for players who can't perform.

If there is a need to sell to finally get someone good on the wings for a change, Alonso is one of the few players who might fetch a nice sum.

I told you I would bring this back in 8 months when the Americans refused to put up funds for Barry so Rafa were forced to trade Alonso just to get enough british players eligible to play Champions League. Well, now it's been 18 months and it seems, unfortunately, that my prediction came true.

1. We had the best midfield in the world, any change to that no mather what replacements we brought in woul be a massive gamble

2. Alonso was among the 5 best players I had seen in Liverpool since 1980

3. We would end up with a broken midfield

4. The probability of ending up mid-table after becoming a "selling" club

5. The Americans would sooner or later succeed in permanently destroying our club


Shame on all of you having a go at me back then. Now it is a reality. Some of you were all too happy to trade off Alonso.

The same people today wants to sack Rafa. Shame on you. You have no idea what this is all about. It will just accelerate the forthcoming destruction of the club and ruin everything.

Need I remind you what you people said (without singeling out the names,,, they themselves know all too well who they were...)

Quotes;

"So in what way is Alonso top 5 in the world?

His stats are abysmal the past few years, and unless
you have been blind watching Alonso rarely sprays the ball around anymore and do anything effective with the ball.

Both stats and his poor overall showings on the field shows that."

"we don't know if alonso would regain his form and his valuation would fall even further then this season . It's been dissapointing watching alonso for the last 3 seasons and TBH , i don't think he will ever regain his form back , the pace of the premier has picked up and it will harder for him to have his time and pick his passes ."

"I love Xabi for what he's done for the club, but he's become useless. He's got great short passing, but unfortunately they're very rarely attacking passes. "

"He's not trash, but he's useless to us. We don't need him anymore. He's not going to help the attack, and I personally think our defending is strong enough, so why keep him? "

"I can't believe I have to explain this to you guys. Seriously. All you do is think over the same orthodox football and claim we need the same players, though we never get anywhere with it. Xabi has been playing in the middle for how many years now? How many times have we been in the title race? It's time for a change."


These were just some of the ridiculous posts from may 2008. So what is there to learn from this? First; If you can't learn from the past you are destined to make the same mistakes in the future. Alonso was great, but when the team started to function as a unit his importance declined. That was not to say that he had become . It was just that it was working very well and he did not stand out in every game as he used to when he arrived and had to play alongside like Diao, Cheyrou, Murphy, Mellor, Biscan,,,,

Second; even if you think the situation is not 100 % perfect, any change can have a detrimental effect. Do not change "mights", do not fix what is not broken, don't fix symptoms, fix the injury. The club declining is just a symptom. It is not what needs fixing. What needs fixing is at the very top of this club. The symptoms are lack of funds, no new stadium, no progress, bad results, poor performances, disillusioned players. The manager is proven, so was Alonso, we got rid of the first and suffered, and now you wan't to suffer even more by getting rid of the next?

Third; face the facts, the decline was easy to predict when it bacame apparent in early 2008 what was going on at the club. It was only a queation of when it was going to happen and how bad it would become. This is plain facts. There will be no easy or quick fixes to this problem. We have lost two years of progress already. The next two years will decide the future of this club for the next 10 to 20 years. If the team is broken and we lose out on CL footy and all the players leave. We will be just another Sunderland. A big stadium and good fans but no real chance of doing anything in England or Europe. Or another Leeds perhaps stranded in league 2 misery. Or we may rebound however unlikely that seems at the moment.

[Sabre]

His stats are abysmal the past few years, and unless
you have been blind watching Alonso rarely sprays the ball around anymore and do anything effective with the ball.

Both stats and his poor overall showings on the field shows that.

I respect naked eye, because, football is like art, it's respectable you don't appreciate a kind of football. It's respectable that you preffer a Gerrard Style (world class quality at his style) rather than an Alonso style, it's a matter of tastes.

But I hope we don't judge players on stats again.

[banana]

His stats are abysmal the past few years, and unless
you have been blind watching Alonso rarely sprays the ball around anymore and do anything effective with the ball.

Both stats and his poor overall showings on the field shows that.

I respect naked eye, because, football is like art, it's respectable you don't appreciate a kind of football. It's respectable that you preffer a Gerrard Style (world class quality at his style) rather than an Alonso style, it's a matter of tastes.

But I hope we don't judge players on stats again.

Well I never said that. It was a quote from another person. I just wanted to make it more real, and bring it to life. People will always make mistakes, but the greatest mistake is failing to learn from past mistakes. We can't afford to make more mistakes right now. We cant afford fixing the symptoms, and fail to cure the disease. Why the fück are we trying to cure cancer with viagra?

This is a time when the very future of the club is going to be decided. A string of bad decisions and we may be playing Lincoln and Oldham in a few years rather than Barcelona and Arsenal.

[Boocity]

Banana, although I agree with some of your points regarding H&G and lack of investment, you have to remember that the loss of Alonso rests firmly in Rafas court. He tried to sell Alonso to get Barry (god knows why) and he allowed the relationship between him and Alonso to deteriorate to such an extent he wanted to leave.

So yes G&H have been bad for the club but Rafa has to take responsiblity for Alonso leaving.