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Postby JC_81 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:14 pm

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john craig wrote:If it came down to a cash plus player swap for Alonso, Negredo would be my pick ahead of Huntelaar or Van Der Vaart.  Given that a striker wouldn't be getting a regular start, I think Negredo would be easier to keep happy than Huntelaar, who I'd expect would want to be playing regularly given his reputation around Europe.

I don't see the point in Van Der Vaart to be honest.  He could perhaps play the 'Gerrard role' when Stevie's unavailable or if we had to push Gerrard back to compensate for Alonso going, but we also have Benayoun who could probably do equally as good a job in Stevie's absence.

Probably I'd rather Sneijder over any of those three, I rate him very highly.  It seems he's one of the ones Madrid want to keep though.  I think he'd be an ideal replacement for Alonso.  We might lose Xabi's ability to hold the ball and pick passes, but we'd have goals from central midfield.

But then you are faced with the problem that Negredo might need regular football in order to play well, something which he got last season and something he might not next with us if he comes here.

The same problem will be applied to either striker. Id rather go for the international level proven striker.

Personally I don't rate Huntelaar as highly as most.  He reminds me a lot of Morientes in the way he plays.  He's not the quickest and although that's not the be all and end all, I could see him having problems adapting to the Premiership.

Negredo on the other hand is a big lad with a bit of pace who to me looks ideally suited to the Premiership.
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Postby tubby » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:14 pm

Reg wrote:or Robben.   We need a replacement for Xabi, not Torres........

The replacement will probably be Aquilani Reg. And no we don't need a replacement for Torres but we do need an alternative for when he is injured which does seem inevitable at least once a season. Id like to think we can bring on someone decent if he was out and not NGog.
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Postby Highland Red » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:17 pm

Personally i'd like to see Rafa use the money from the Xabi transfer to go for someone like Danielle De Rossi of Roma.

Exactly what we need in the middle.

Technical ability, great passer and header of the ball and as tough as well done steak.
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Postby tubby » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:17 pm

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john craig wrote:If it came down to a cash plus player swap for Alonso, Negredo would be my pick ahead of Huntelaar or Van Der Vaart.  Given that a striker wouldn't be getting a regular start, I think Negredo would be easier to keep happy than Huntelaar, who I'd expect would want to be playing regularly given his reputation around Europe.

I don't see the point in Van Der Vaart to be honest.  He could perhaps play the 'Gerrard role' when Stevie's unavailable or if we had to push Gerrard back to compensate for Alonso going, but we also have Benayoun who could probably do equally as good a job in Stevie's absence.

Probably I'd rather Sneijder over any of those three, I rate him very highly.  It seems he's one of the ones Madrid want to keep though.  I think he'd be an ideal replacement for Alonso.  We might lose Xabi's ability to hold the ball and pick passes, but we'd have goals from central midfield.

But then you are faced with the problem that Negredo might need regular football in order to play well, something which he got last season and something he might not next with us if he comes here.

The same problem will be applied to either striker. Id rather go for the international level proven striker.

Personally I don't rate Huntelaar as highly as most.  He reminds me a lot of Morientes in the way he plays.  He's not the quickest and although that's not the be all and end all, I could see him having problems adapting to the Premiership.

Negredo on the other hand is a big lad with a bit of pace who to me looks ideally suited to the Premiership.

The truth is you can never truley tell how a player will perform in another league until you seem them play there.

You may not rate Huntelaar but plenty do and he is a big player for Holland too. Im not saying Negredo is rubbish but for once id like us not to sign someone who so far is a 1 season wonder.
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Postby LiverpoolMadman » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:18 pm

Highland Red wrote:Personally i'd like to see Rafa use the money from the Xabi transfer to go for someone like Danielle De Rossi of Roma.

Exactly what we need in the middle.

Technical ability, great passer and header of the ball and as tough as well done steak.

He someone like SG and likely cost 45m-60m ...
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Postby Highland Red » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:27 pm

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Highland Red wrote:Personally i'd like to see Rafa use the money from the Xabi transfer to go for someone like Danielle De Rossi of Roma.

Exactly what we need in the middle.

Technical ability, great passer and header of the ball and as tough as well done steak.

He someone like SG and likely cost 45m-60m ...

Similar but not exactly the same as SG. More defensively minded.

A partnership made in heaven if you ask me. I reckon he could be got for somewher in the region of £25-30m. Roma need the cash these days.
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Postby JC_81 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:28 pm

bavlondon wrote:Im not saying Negredo is rubbish but for once id like us not to sign someone who so far is a 1 season wonder.

Explain that please.

Torres?  Reina?  Alonso?  Mascherano?  Morientes?  Belllamy?

Just a few of the guys Benitez has signed who were not 'one season wonders' before we got them.

As you can see by the last two examples however, it doesn't guarantee success anyway.
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Postby JoeTerp » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:29 pm

for me, I would chose Negredo.  While maybe not being quite the poacher, he seems like he can offer more to the general play.  He is young, but not a youngster, he has some experience, but will still develop from what he learns from Rafa, he has talent, but little reputation, and as such would not be much of a position to cry about only playing mop-up duty, chasing the game throw on extra striker duty, or when torres is hurt/needs a rest (all of a sudden that adds up to a fair number of appearances)
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Postby JoeTerp » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:34 pm

Highland Red wrote:
LiverpoolMadman wrote:
Highland Red wrote:Personally i'd like to see Rafa use the money from the Xabi transfer to go for someone like Danielle De Rossi of Roma.

Exactly what we need in the middle.

Technical ability, great passer and header of the ball and as tough as well done steak.

He someone like SG and likely cost 45m-60m ...

Similar but not exactly the same as SG. More defensively minded.

A partnership made in heaven if you ask me. I reckon he could be got for somewher in the region of £25-30m. Roma need the cash these days.

i think the comparison was based more on being a local lad and the heart and soul of the club
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Postby JoeTerp » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:41 pm

redbeergoggles wrote:I would ask for Granero plus the 20 million, exceptional player who could easily provide Liverpool with a new cutting edge.

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Postby Redman in wales » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:42 pm

john craig wrote:Probably I'd rather Sneijder over any of those three, I rate him very highly.  It seems he's one of the ones Madrid want to keep though.  I think he'd be an ideal replacement for Alonso.  We might lose Xabi's ability to hold the ball and pick passes, but we'd have goals from central midfield.

agree on that point. I think sneider could fill the void perfectly. Not the same kind of player, but would give us extra imputus going forward and as you mentioned, a few more goals from midfield
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Postby Redman in wales » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:44 pm

LiverpoolMadman wrote:I would rather have the money and buy David Silva ...

i think thats the reason why rafa wants the money and not player-ex.

he needs the full £30m to get silva (or similar)
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Postby Bad Bob » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:48 pm

Redman in wales wrote:
LiverpoolMadman wrote:I would rather have the money and buy David Silva ...

i think thats the reason why rafa wants the money and not player-ex.

he needs the full £30m to get silva (or similar)

Interesting thought (now where's that strokey beard smiley?). :D
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Postby mistyred » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:49 pm

Could you imagine Man City offering 50mill for Alonso :D

I would drive him there myself.
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