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Quite simply put I think Alonsos form this season compared to the last 2 is no coincidence with us finishing a lot closer!He was absolutely out of this world for us all season,a massive influence on our success...I'll be gutted if he leaves us!!

I would agree with most of this Barry,but don't forget it the standard of his replacement that has a bearing as well mate. Lucas for Alonso is hardly a straight swop is it   

Even then you have to remember that our best win of the season was without Alonso (4-1 against the mancs) and Alonso didn't start in our biggest win of the season either (5-1 against Newcastle)

For me it just depends who we bring in if he goes thats the important thing. Bring in a world class player and I can't see any problem, bring in Plessis and Houston we have a problem.

We need him at the club mate if we are to move forward.Especially if we are to play the way we played in the last half of the season.FFS mate he was instrumental in all of that play.Puling the strings for all around him,a total joy to watch!

I dont see the significance of the 4-1 and 5-1 and lack of Xabi..we could say we beat big teams without Torres and Gerrard..cause we did!Only once without both if I remember right!
That does not mean we could win every week without them!

I just struggle to think of anyone we can bring in that will fit our system better than he does!

As for Lucas for Alonso..simple get Lucas out and bring in Gaz Baz with Babel as part of the deal..then we can swap Alonso for Barry if needed!But Alonso should not leave to bring Barry!!

I think our problem is not enough creativity in the final third. If losing Alonso meant that we got a Tevez etc etc instead I would be happy with that. When teams come at us we can hit them on the break and score goals, when teams sit back we have major problems, imo if we had more creativity we would break a few of these sides down rather than having to try to grind out a win.

Even Barry would have more impact against the teams with 10 men behind the ball mate. Whether he could then hold his own against the top sides is another question.

In ideal circumstances we would keep Alonso and bring in the additional creativity we need, unfortunately it doesn't appear that these are ideal circumstances, and we may have to make sacrifices if we are to improve.

As I said in the other thread, personally I wouldn't want to sell Alonso, but I understand that we may have to if we are to get the players we need.

[Number 9]

Quite simply put I think Alonsos form this season compared to the last 2 is no coincidence with us finishing a lot closer!He was absolutely out of this world for us all season,a massive influence on our success...I'll be gutted if he leaves us!!

I would agree with most of this Barry,but don't forget it the standard of his replacement that has a bearing as well mate. Lucas for Alonso is hardly a straight swop is it   

Even then you have to remember that our best win of the season was without Alonso (4-1 against the mancs) and Alonso didn't start in our biggest win of the season either (5-1 against Newcastle)

For me it just depends who we bring in if he goes thats the important thing. Bring in a world class player and I can't see any problem, bring in Plessis and Houston we have a problem.

We need him at the club mate if we are to move forward.Especially if we are to play the way we played in the last half of the season.FFS mate he was instrumental in all of that play.Puling the strings for all around him,a total joy to watch!

I dont see the significance of the 4-1 and 5-1 and lack of Xabi..we could say we beat big teams without Torres and Gerrard..cause we did!Only once without both if I remember right!
That does not mean we could win every week without them!

I just struggle to think of anyone we can bring in that will fit our system better than he does!

As for Lucas for Alonso..simple get Lucas out and bring in Gaz Baz with Babel as part of the deal..then we can swap Alonso for Barry if needed!But Alonso should not leave to bring Barry!!

I think our problem is not enough creativity in the final third. If losing Alonso meant that we got a Tevez etc etc instead I would be happy with that. When teams come at us we can hit them on the break and score goals, when teams sit back we have major problems, imo if we had more creativity we would break a few of these sides down rather than having to try to grind out a win.

Even Barry would have more impact against the teams with 10 men behind the ball mate. Whether he could then hold his own against the top sides is another question.

In ideal circumstances we would keep Alonso and bring in the additional creativity we need, unfortunately it doesn't appear that these are ideal circumstances, and we may have to make sacrifices if we are to improve.

As I said in the other thread, personally I wouldn't want to sell Alonso, but I understand that we may have to if we are to get the players we need.

Why should ya sell a coat to buy a hat though?..Ones head would get wet and it all comes from the head!!

Im all for bringing anyone with talent who can make us better but not at the price of Alonso.Id be prepared to sacrifice strengthening our defence to keep him.Just spend what we have on Tevez and put Gerrard on the right(like it or lump it) Play Tevez where Stevie played.Or we could always dump Kuyt and allow Tevez on the right.More work needed from Arby then..first option is better!!

[Sabre]

I don't know where the mods want this rumour , whether here or in the rumour mill, but Spanish press isn't writing their normal shít.

Meaning, everything they write concerning Alonso is directly translated and referenced from papers like the Daily mail and the rag. No Spanish paper is saying an agreement is done coming from them, they're just echoing the mirror.

23M + Negredo? Hope not. And that Javi Martinez has a lot to show before being compared to the Alonso of 5 years ago. Good player yes but...

I'm worried, because I'd like us to focus in how to improve the team from where we are, I wouldn't like to have a new obstacle like being spot on bringing a replacement for Xabi

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Im all for bringing anyone with talent who can make us better but not at the price of Alonso.Id be prepared to sacrifice strengthening our defence to keep him.Just spend what we have on Tevez and put Gerrard on the right(like it or lump it) Play Tevez where Stevie played.Or we could always dump Kuyt and allow Tevez on the right.More work needed from Arby then..first option is better!!

If we are better with the new player that is enough mate.

I think Rafa is looking for something like this :-

              Masch           Barry

  Gerrard          Tevez              Silva(Or whoever)

                     Torres

I am not sure who he would play on the right  Gerrard or Tevez but as both can play there I see no problem.

I would argue that this is a much better more creative and stronger 6 than what we played this season. Which is enough reason for me.

[dawson99]

you really think he'll stop playing Kuyt?

I say, if we get the money, and have someone to replace, then losing Alonso would not be the worst thing in the world to happen

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you really think he'll stop playing Kuyt?

I say, if we get the money, and have someone to replace, then losing Alonso would not be the worst thing in the world to happen

Maybe Tevez can play left? 

[Number 9]

Im all for bringing anyone with talent who can make us better but not at the price of Alonso.Id be prepared to sacrifice strengthening our defence to keep him.Just spend what we have on Tevez and put Gerrard on the right(like it or lump it) Play Tevez where Stevie played.Or we could always dump Kuyt and allow Tevez on the right.More work needed from Arby then..first option is better!!

If we are better with the new player that is enough mate.

I think Rafa is looking for something like this :-

              Masch           Barry

  Gerrard          Tevez              Silva(Or whoever)

                     Torres

I am not sure who he would play on the right  Gerrard or Tevez but as both can play there I see no problem.

I would argue that this is a much better more creative and stronger 6 than what we played this season. Which is enough reason for me.

Good to see ya back lad!!

[Reg]

Gerrard's not a winger, you´d still need Yossi or Kuyt.

Is Tevez meant as an uglier version of Kuyt out on the right wing with Stevie back in the centre? That might make more sense.

[aCe']

Id actually have all of Teves, Gerrard, Kuyt and Torres playing in the same side... Riera or Benny could always replace Kuyt down one of the wings with Teves, Gerrard and Torres interchanging positions in the final third... Manutd do it with Ronaldo, Rooney and Teves/Berbatov and i see no reason why it shouldnt with us... Certainly Kuyt or Riera would be playing the 'fixed' winger role with Tevez down the other flankthus keeping the Gerrard-Torres partnership intact....

Saint makes a good point... against the smaller sides, We should really be going for it more so than we do.. i mean take games against the likes of Stoke and WestHam where players like Riera, Kuyt and Benayoun are all better than anything the opposition have got... We need players who can provide direct impact in the final third and sadly Alonso does very little of that and same with Mascherano...

It would be sad to see Alonso go, definitely becoming my favourite Liverpool player in this side, but i think if we play this transfer right as Saint puts it, we could very well end up a stronger side come next season...

[Madmax]

-----Silva/kuyt-----Macha----Martinez/barry----Levezzi/riera

------------------------------Gerrard----------------------
-------------------------Torres/lavezzi


Just a thought if alonso goes..........

[bigmick]

I think the "going for it" point would have been more valid around Christmas time, but in the last three months or so we couldn't have gone for it much more if we'd tried. If anything, there's probably a case for reigning ourselves in just a fraction to be perfectly honest. 4-4 draws and the like are unbelieveably exciting and excellent to watch, but that's probably getting a bit carried away in the bigger scheme of things.

My feeling is, and I've said this a few times now so sorry about that, that if we bouight absolutely nobody at all, and sold absolutely nobody at all we'd still have a good season next time around. We'll need to improve in order to win ther Premiership, but if we "go for it" all season with exactly the same players, I'm pretty certain that we'll roll over a lot of those teams which parked the bus against us this time around. The main issue for me would be tryign to get as near as possible to matching the 14 points out of 18 which we got in the big four match ups. Now I think it's just about impossible for us to get that many again, but what we don't want is to sell our players who are best suited to those games (Alonso being a prime example) just so we are better at rolling over sh!t teams.

If we're not careful, we'll win five more matches against the rubbish and get ten less points against the big four. I'd keep Alonso and work on our more expansive style. That in itself will make us better at hijacking the bus and moving it forward ten yards, before ramming the ball into the unguarded net a couple of times.

One last point on Alonso, and I was thinking about this this morning. The absolute worst case scenario for us as far as Xabi is concerned would be him signing for Arsenal (I don't think he will but anyway). I think he would absolutely transform their team as he is the identikit picture of the perfect player they need.

[NANNY RED]

23M + Negredo? Hope not. And that Javi Martinez has a lot to show before being compared to the Alonso of 5 years ago. Good player yes but...

I'm worried, because I'd like us to focus in how to improve the team from where we are, I wouldn't like to have a new obstacle like being spot on bringing a replacement for Xabi

True Sabes in Martinez, if we do eventualy end up loosing Xabi ,i want someone who slots into the team straight away not a youngster whos could take a couple of seasons to adjust, So its a no no for me with him,

An Hienze is no longer wanted at Real by the way,

Hes sh.it anyway

[Octsky]

there it is again..the galati-sh.i..t is trying to short change us again on the alonso deal. after macca and owen. i heard the deal consists on 22 mil plus a young striker Negredo.

this can turn out bad, we spend 10 mil on barry, got another "potential signing" plus 12 mil free cash to sign another "potential signing" for the bench. alas barry is no alonso. a step backwards in my opinion.

beside doesn't alonso hates madrid? i thought he is a Real Sociedad's lad. to said something controversial i rather we lose mash than alonso.

and the bloody fabregas keep talking of playing with alonso, there is no way a top man like alonso will join the arsenal babies.

[GYBS]

Well on the short changing - it was our own fault with regards to Macca .

I hope we hear something from xabi saying he is staying soon.

[tubby]

Rumors today suggesting Ancelotti is still after Alonso. I don't see how they would have room for him and Essien.