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[maguskwt]

Note: The squad itself wasn't a shambles per se, some dead wood needs to be casted off and morale picked up. Otherwise if this wasn't the case Rafa would still be here *phew*

Rafa was let go/fired because the owners and rafa couldn't agree on the terms and conditions to move forward. It's as simple as that. When Rafa renewed his contract they agreed on conditions which the owners/board couldn't keep and Rafa questioned them. This has been said by Rafa and similarly Torres. If people on here couldn't see who is the main culprit in our decline then I'm afraid they will be in for much more disappointments. I'll just say that if Rafa did stay I can bet my house that he would be able to improve on last season's performance similar to people claiming that Roy can improve on last season's performance. Rafa didn't leave because he somehow ran himself into a deep hole and couldn't get out. He wasn't given a chance to get out. It is a matter of principle that if people screwed you in the before and you don't like it, you're not gonna let them screw you again. I'm just gonna stop here because people can think whatever they want at the end of the day.

P.S. The deadwood like Lucas that Rafa left behind could reportedly snatch Roy 7 million pounds. That's gotta be fairly good deadwood which is fairly useable as firewood I must say. No matter what anyone says Rafa is a legend for LFC for winning our 5th European Cup, 7th FA Cup and restoring us as a force in Europe. If anyone says otherwise I'll be glad to respond with a 'feck off' anytime. Roy indeed has a long way to go.

[maguskwt]

I don't think Hodgson did anything wrong either. I think Masherano is a sheister and a charlatan, I said as much a few weeks back, and we are well shut of him. Barcelona aren't much better either, and their cloak as some sort of panacea club who is what everyone else should aspire to has slipped very much in the whole affair. Similarly, Inter Milans carry on and Rafa's "I'm just the coach I don't make offers for players" retorts did him no favours either.

Roy handled it well IMHO, and was very reserved in his criticism of the player.

MICK you cained the previous manager and the way he dealt with riera. I believe what roy said was correct , it's just that the previous manager got slaughtered by you and others for doing more or less the same thing in the past. Twas another stick to beat him with.

You know what, if we're wondering why there is constant bickering on this forum, this is a very good example. I don't think that anyone is having a problem with pro-Roy's biggie-ing up Roy. But these pro-Roy's in the process of biggie-ing up Roy, they also include little digs at Rafa. "Ohhhhhhh... Roy did this as opposed to the previous manager... Roy did that as opposed to the previous manager...blah blah blah". It goes to show that the anti-Rafas are the ones that actually have a problem with moving on.

[Lando_Griffin]

You could argue that Poulsen is as good as Sissoko. In fact I don't even know why Sissoko is on the list?

As for Aquilani - part of the best midfield on the planet? Let's get real here, he barely played, even when fit, under Rafa.

Alonso and Mascherano both wanted out under Rafa also. In fact, directly blame Rafa for Alonso's exit.

Nice to see balance in your posts as always Ciggy

You could argue about the decline of the club if your a blind idiot.

Otherwise you should be fully aware of what's happening.

I'm not blind to the situation at all.

The lack of funds prevents our competition with the other sides. I despise it as much as any other supporter but I believe that transfer policy has not helped the situation one bit.

There was no reason for any of the following sales, they weren't forced to generate cash, they we're poor choices -

John Arne Riise AS Roma £4,000,000 01.07.2008
Peter Crouch Portsmouth £11,000,000* 11.07.2008
Xabi Alonso Real Madrid £30,000,000 05.08.2009

Crouch wanted to play every game. He could not.

He was sold because he wanted to play every week. (That big, bad Rafa's fault, no doubt?)

Alonso wanted to go following a bust up with the manager - it happens - get over it. He remains my favourite current player, but even I have accepted this.

Riise. Is this the same Riise who was constantly slated for his defensive frailties?

I thought so.

[Lando_Griffin]

But Poulson was bought BEFORE Mascherano was sold.
And BEFORE he decided he would never play for us again, and AFTER his dedicated performance vs Arsenal which convinced us all he would still try if he stayed.

Roy even said he isn;t a replacement for anyone.

So your full of as per usual.

as for Aquaman, firstly the transfer window isnt over, and we are in talks which Diarra.
second, he played fook all last year, so he aint exactly being missed.

What planet are you on? One where the end is nigh that's for sure.

Look, if i have a car that is a F'in banger, that costs me loads in maintenance, i would want rid ASAP. BUT i wouldn't go and by a replacement until i'd sold (or part ex'd) the one i own!!Your obviously different.

No, you're absolutely right. The manager had no idea at all that Mascherano, who had demanded a transfer on his first day back at work, would be leaving.

No idea at all.

You pudding.

Just to clarify, you're saying "let's wait until Mascherano has been sold before replacing him, even though it's a done deal"?

OK, brainiac. Let's wait until deadline day to get a replacement for the best combative midfielder in the World.

You absolute a*se.

[Lando_Griffin]

Mascherano wants to leave. There's not much anyone can do about it, except hold out for top dollar and use the money to buy a replacment of the same value...

...and Benitez should never have been allowed to waste 20 million on Aquilani in the first place.

There's tons of issues at the moment with LFC and a lot stem from the disgraceful owners, but there is absolutely nothing that can be done about the above situations.

I think you'll find Aquilani has cost us a grand total of £5m up to date. The loan means this figure will not rise.

[Lando_Griffin]

Aquilani was the WORST signing in our club's history and people are moaning he's gone?   

Yes, he spat at fans and laughed during the Hilsborough Memorial Service quite often, didn't he...

You dweeb.

[In and Out]

Note: The squad itself wasn't a shambles per se, some dead wood needs to be casted off and morale picked up. Otherwise if this wasn't the case Rafa would still be here *phew*

Rafa was let go/fired because the owners and rafa couldn't agree on the terms and conditions to move forward. It's as simple as that. When Rafa renewed his contract they agreed on conditions which the owners/board couldn't keep and Rafa questioned them. This has been said by Rafa and similarly Torres. If people on here couldn't see who is the main culprit in our decline then I'm afraid they will be in for much more disappointments. I'll just say that if Rafa did stay I can bet my house that he would be able to improve on last season's performance similar to people claiming that Roy can improve on last season's performance. Rafa didn't leave because he somehow ran himself into a deep hole and couldn't get out. He wasn't given a chance to get out. It is a matter of principle that if people screwed you in the before and you don't like it, you're not gonna let them screw you again. I'm just gonna stop here because people can think whatever they want at the end of the day.

P.S. The deadwood like Lucas that Rafa left behind could reportedly snatch Roy 7 million pounds. That's gotta be fairly good deadwood which is fairly useable as firewood I must say. No matter what anyone says Rafa is a legend for LFC for winning our 5th European Cup, 7th FA Cup and restoring us as a force in Europe. If anyone says otherwise I'll be glad to respond with a 'feck off' anytime. Roy indeed has a long way to go.

Yes, kudos to Rafa for winning the CL back in 2005 the best moment of his managerial career with LFC and the best occasion I have had for many a year as a fan of LFC.

BUT

He's not a legend in my eyes and you can tell me to f.uck off all you like, that's going too far. He made some legendary moments of that there is no doubt, but overall, a legend? Not quite (not in my eyes anyway) he had too many short comings in the end to qualify him that.

[Lando_Griffin]

This thread is so depressingly hilarious




Ciggy, its very typical of you to start this thread. I admire that you are a very passionate supporter and your constant sarcastic, doom and gloom post's are only because you love the club so much.

But these kind of thread's dont benefit discussion at all. Its just another thread for people to be depressed in. Can we not spare a little optimism for a change? Or at least moan a little less about the situation we are in at the moment so much.. We have all been doing it for the past year and its getting a bit dull and annoying.

Why don't you start a Sunshine thread and leave the worrying to those who can see what's coming?

[Lando_Griffin]

Equally, we realised there was going to be much shenanighans behind the scenes so we appointed a manager who doesn't throw his toys out of the pram and make a mountain out of a molehill every five minutes.

Good thing Moris didn't come, then, isn't it?

[Lando_Griffin]

I don't think Hodgson did anything wrong either. I think Masherano is a sheister and a charlatan, I said as much a few weeks back, and we are well shut of him. Barcelona aren't much better either, and their cloak as some sort of panacea club who is what everyone else should aspire to has slipped very much in the whole affair. Similarly, Inter Milans carry on and Rafa's "I'm just the coach I don't make offers for players" retorts did him no favours either.

Roy handled it well IMHO, and was very reserved in his criticism of the player.

F*ck me - Rafa can't win with the likes of you, can he? I'm sure you blame him for 9/11, the Holocaust and the crucifixion of Christ, as well.

[Lando_Griffin]

What a strange thread. Why do some people assume that nobody realises the fact that either the owners are a pair of c...s or the fact that we are skint? We know. I think everyone knows.

As I remember, that was one of the chief reasons for appointing the manager which we did when we did. We realised and admitted the fact that we didn't have any money, so we sensibly appointed somebody who has a history of being relatively successful without needing mountains of it. Equally, we realised there was going to be much shenanighans behind the scenes so we appointed a manager who doesn't throw his toys out of the pram and make a mountain out of a molehill every five minutes.

So far, despite having to deal with all manner of nonsense, I think we've made the right choice and he continues to impress.

When did Rafa ever throw his toys out of the pram ....

Rafa 1

Rafa 2

Rafa 3

take your pick RBG. if you wish to criticize Roy with regards to Mash, for stating a fact which everyone more or less agreed with, its only fair that you agree the videos above did display poor attitude from Rafa too.

You're a f*cking idiot, pal. If that's your idea of someone "throwing their toys out of the pram", you are clearly deluded.

If you don't like Rafa, that's your mistake, but don't talk utter f*cking sh*t about the man, you sad ****.

He's 10 times the man you could ever wish to be.

[Lando_Griffin]

In my mind, Roy is doing a great job of building the squad back into a top 4 outfit. He wanted to keep Masch, no doubt , but obviously knew his intentions were else where. With Meireles, he's bought solid cover, and I feel there might be a couple of more surprises before Tuesday. The beauty of all this is we are not expected to be challenging for the title at the mo (we were favourites before the beginning of last season) and this may play into our hands quite effectively. If, at any stage, Chelski and the gooners and the scum come unstuck just a tad along the way, we may just go a lot further than anyone thinks 

And I might sh*g Cheryl Cole up the sh*tter after lunch.

[Lando_Griffin]

Note: The squad itself wasn't a shambles per se, some dead wood needs to be casted off and morale picked up. Otherwise if this wasn't the case Rafa would still be here *phew*

Rafa was let go/fired because the owners and rafa couldn't agree on the terms and conditions to move forward. It's as simple as that. When Rafa renewed his contract they agreed on conditions which the owners/board couldn't keep and Rafa questioned them. This has been said by Rafa and similarly Torres. If people on here couldn't see who is the main culprit in our decline then I'm afraid they will be in for much more disappointments. I'll just say that if Rafa did stay I can bet my house that he would be able to improve on last season's performance similar to people claiming that Roy can improve on last season's performance. Rafa didn't leave because he somehow ran himself into a deep hole and couldn't get out. He wasn't given a chance to get out. It is a matter of principle that if people screwed you in the before and you don't like it, you're not gonna let them screw you again. I'm just gonna stop here because people can think whatever they want at the end of the day.

P.S. The deadwood like Lucas that Rafa left behind could reportedly snatch Roy 7 million pounds. That's gotta be fairly good deadwood which is fairly useable as firewood I must say. No matter what anyone says Rafa is a legend for LFC for winning our 5th European Cup, 7th FA Cup and restoring us as a force in Europe. If anyone says otherwise I'll be glad to respond with a 'feck off' anytime. Roy indeed has a long way to go.

Yes, kudos to Rafa for winning the CL back in 2005 the best moment of his managerial career with LFC and the best occasion I have had for many a year as a fan of LFC.

BUT

He's not a legend in my eyes and you can tell me to f.uck off all you like, that's going too far. He made some legendary moments of that there is no doubt, but overall, a legend? Not quite (not in my eyes anyway) he had too many short comings in the end to qualify him that.

F*ck off. (You offered and I accepted.)

[In and Out]

Note: The squad itself wasn't a shambles per se, some dead wood needs to be casted off and morale picked up. Otherwise if this wasn't the case Rafa would still be here *phew*

Rafa was let go/fired because the owners and rafa couldn't agree on the terms and conditions to move forward. It's as simple as that. When Rafa renewed his contract they agreed on conditions which the owners/board couldn't keep and Rafa questioned them. This has been said by Rafa and similarly Torres. If people on here couldn't see who is the main culprit in our decline then I'm afraid they will be in for much more disappointments. I'll just say that if Rafa did stay I can bet my house that he would be able to improve on last season's performance similar to people claiming that Roy can improve on last season's performance. Rafa didn't leave because he somehow ran himself into a deep hole and couldn't get out. He wasn't given a chance to get out. It is a matter of principle that if people screwed you in the before and you don't like it, you're not gonna let them screw you again. I'm just gonna stop here because people can think whatever they want at the end of the day.

P.S. The deadwood like Lucas that Rafa left behind could reportedly snatch Roy 7 million pounds. That's gotta be fairly good deadwood which is fairly useable as firewood I must say. No matter what anyone says Rafa is a legend for LFC for winning our 5th European Cup, 7th FA Cup and restoring us as a force in Europe. If anyone says otherwise I'll be glad to respond with a 'feck off' anytime. Roy indeed has a long way to go.

Yes, kudos to Rafa for winning the CL back in 2005 the best moment of his managerial career with LFC and the best occasion I have had for many a year as a fan of LFC.

BUT

He's not a legend in my eyes and you can tell me to f.uck off all you like, that's going too far. He made some legendary moments of that there is no doubt, but overall, a legend? Not quite (not in my eyes anyway) he had too many short comings in the end to qualify him that.

F*ck off. (You offered and I accepted.)

I see you're still very upset Lando, didums.

[maypaxvobiscum]

stop crying Lando. you dont wanna wet your Inter Milan top do you?

you're like a gun, one c.o.c.k and you'll blow.