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by **Dundalk** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:55 am

The drunk is cracking up!

by **Number 9** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:57 am

Sabre wrote:I posted the above in the wrong thread and Number9 answered that in his opinion Rafa's timing was not good.

Well, I'm not sure of that. IMHO it's always a good time to tell a couple of truths. It's the results what makes your rant good or bad, and had we lost in Manchester we'd hear how Rafa is cracking up.

I don't think those rants have an effect on the pitch, or not too big. Much less effect than Gerrard and Torres being missing for sure, which was the main reason we lost points alongside Keane leaving.

Keane does'nt figure anymore!i agree that missing Gerrard and Torres cost us,that is obvious.but Keane is used too often on here as a stick to beat Rafa with.When ya look back at his performances for us he was an absolute joke bar on or two moments!In fact Id rather play Carra upfront.Keane ran about like Forest Gump on speed missing chance after chance then giving off to team mates!To be honest I think Rafa done the right thing.I was one of many on here that thought he would succeed at LFC..hes back at Spurs and has once again found his level!

by **tubby** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:09 am

Fergie is right about one thing and that is Rafa will have to spend some money in the summer if he wants to bring in more quality. Can't find it in any other papers other than the shitrag but Rafa even said if we want towin tropheys on a regular basis we have to be keeping up with the rest of the teams including Man City on a regular basis.

My hunch is that comment was pre scripted ie he has already worked this out with Hicks and he will go on a spree in the summer. He wouldn't sign a new contract and then just come out with this. Anyway roll on tomorrow....

by **Bam** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:25 pm

Sabre wrote:Where are the posters that went on and on and on about Rafa losing the plot and his mistake?

I respect that they said back then it was a mistake of Rafa. But for the sake of consistency I expected to see them having a go at Ferguson:

* Because he explains his own "facts" about when games start

* Because he says he spends less than Rafa, he shows his own "facts".

For doing that our manager was insulted. But it all depends on what papers you read, what you choose to twist or quote.

My option is clear, by default I trust the Liverpool manager, not the Manchester United manager. What about you?

Rafa was not genius for saying what he said, but he wasn't an arrogant idiot neither for it. He was just saying the things as he saw it. Pretty much like Ferguson is doing now. Someone saying Rafa lost the plot back then and believing Ferguson now would have to have their mind checked, as their bias has trespassed unhealthy levels.

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If you are going to go out and look for a/n healthy argument you may aswell name names.

I'd like to know who your thinking said what ?

As for Fergie the geriatric kunt, he can take a run un jump!

by **thegreedo** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:50 pm

Fergie is actually right! United re-couped £21.5m when fergie got the deposit back on all the empty Whisky bottles he returned to the offy!!

by **Scottbot** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:00 pm

Must admit I would prefer it if Rafa just went about the quiet business of doing his job. I've never been a fan of the verbal tennis matches that get played out in the media. I can see some of the psychology behind it, for years we've had to listen to Rab.C, Wenger and Maureen go at it, and by getting into public spats with whiskey, Rafa is (perhaps) saying to his players "we are the main challengers, we are united's rivals, get used to it", but i'm not sure it really suits him.

by **kazza** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:51 pm

Sabre wrote:My option is clear, by default I trust the Liverpool manager, not the Manchester United manager. What about you?

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Some would rather believe Fergie as it fits better with their opinion of Raffa and their own point of view, even he is Manure.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:04 pm

Number 9 wrote:
Sabre wrote:I posted the above in the wrong thread and Number9 answered that in his opinion Rafa's timing was not good.

Well, I'm not sure of that. IMHO it's always a good time to tell a couple of truths. It's the results what makes your rant good or bad, and had we lost in Manchester we'd hear how Rafa is cracking up.

I don't think those rants have an effect on the pitch, or not too big. Much less effect than Gerrard and Torres being missing for sure, which was the main reason we lost points alongside Keane leaving.

Keane does'nt figure anymore!i agree that missing Gerrard and Torres cost us,that is obvious.but Keane is used too often on here as a stick to beat Rafa with.When ya look back at his performances for us he was an absolute joke bar on or two moments!In fact Id rather play Carra upfront.Keane ran about like Forest Gump on speed missing chance after chance then giving off to team mates!To be honest I think Rafa done the right thing.I was one of many on here that thought he would succeed at LFC..hes back at Spurs and has once again found his level!

Fickle Barry

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:13 pm

Scottbot wrote:Must admit I would prefer it if Rafa just went about the quiet business of doing his job. I've never been a fan of the verbal tennis matches that get played out in the media. I can see some of the psychology behind it, for years we've had to listen to Rab.C, Wenger and Maureen go at it, and by getting into public spats with whiskey, Rafa is (perhaps) saying to his players "we are the main challengers, we are united's rivals, get used to it", but i'm not sure it really suits him.

I was one of the posters who were pleased when Rafa "stood up " to Fergie with his initial rant, but in hindsight it was just an embarressment because we fell away so quickly straight after it.(nothing to do with Rafa's rant that we fell away imo, but it was badly timed to say the least)

I think the best idea would be to let our football and results do the talking rather than getting drawn into spats with Fergie.

by **tubby** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:32 pm

I think most were glad he stood up and said the things he did but he ended up with egg on his face because we couldn't put away small teams at home.

Why Fergie has chosen to open his mouth again I don't know. If his team have any more slip ups though it will put pressure on him as already it looks like Wayne Roney shouldnt have said those things before last weekend.

by **kunilson** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:37 pm

fergie getting wound up is always good to see, but we've spent less than them and he looks like the idiot that he is saying what he did.

the money rafa has spent, has replaced a whole squad bar 3 players.......fergie on the other hand goes and buys the odd 30 mill superstar to add to an already established squad. big difference.

by **tubby** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:48 pm

Exactly. This is the fundamental point people miss. I think it is obvious Fergie has been welll rattled by the result last week and he is running his mouth on the attack to show he is not rattled. It will backfire on him if they drop any more points. I hope Ronaldo or someone gets an injury today.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:02 pm

I just can't believe the short memories of some people on here. Two years before Rafa came we finished 2nd in the league 3 points in front of the Mancs and their "super squad" doing the double over the mancs along the way. 3 years before Rafa came we went a full season undefeated in ANY cup, winning 3 cups in the proccess and again doing the double over the mancs along the way. When Rafa came 9 of those same players then went on to win the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE and reached the League Cup FINAL. 7 hung around long enough to win the FA CUP the following season.

by **aCe'** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:12 pm

s@int wrote:I just can't believe the short memories of some people on here. Two years before Rafa came we finished 2nd in the league 3 points in front of the Mancs and their "super squad" doing the double over the mancs along the way. 3 years before Rafa came we went a full season undefeated in ANY cup, winning 3 cups in the proccess and again doing the double over the mancs along the way. When Rafa came 9 of those same players then went on to win the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE and reached the League Cup FINAL. 7 hung around long enough to win the FA CUP the following season.

again... the sound of reason....

the fact that he went out and spent all this money replacing a seemingly capable squad instead of trying to improve on it... (and repeatedly doing that during the past 5 years or so)... can be used against him every bit as much as some seem to use it as an excuse for his spending shambles...
:talktothehand

by **tubby** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:17 pm

If it was already capable then why did we not do better in the league that season when Rafa came?

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