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[112-1077774096]

I'd love to see you get out of this one.

and now your second pearl of wisdom

"Fickle: 1. Likely to change. 2. Not constant or loyal in affections."

ok you wrote this, you are saying that if someone changes their opinion on something or gives an honest opinion on a performance that makes them fickle, so you are suggesting that a supporter must praise his team, he is never allowed to praise his team for a good performance and then criticise his team for a poor performance as this makes him fickle.

i point out that for you to say someons loyalties have been weakend because they criticise a poor performance is wrong, and make no mistake about it thats what you are doing.

ok i will use myself as a point, i went to more games before you were born that you have even been to after you were born, now by your definition you are saying i am fickle,(and fickle means according to you Not constant or loyal in affections) my loyalty and affections have never wavered for my home town club, never but i have every right to criticise them when they perform badly, every right, just as every supporter does.

thats is not being fickle, as my loyalty has never wavered and my affection has never wavered, also my opinion has changed based on fact, two weeks ago we played well, today we didnt, my opinion is an honest one based on performance, not based on my support for the club.



over to you

[AB's Red Army]

Birmingham next in the league at Anfield. We've yet to beat them under Benitez in the Premiership, I'm hoping for another glossy 7-0 win over them.

[112-1077774096]

"Rafa is a genius and we will win the league" after Derby (and 5 changes from the previous game).

"Rafa doesn't grasp the league and we'll never win it until he stops rotating." (After Portsmouth and 5 changes from the previous game, one of which was the return of Carragher (which every supporter in the land would have sanctioned)).

These are examples of a fickle attitude. The views expressed in the quotes are not based on fact - they're based on opinions - contradicting opinions.

no problem, i will deal with this one first.

did i make those comments?  and you accuse me of putting words in peoples mouths

Did I EVER say YOU said them? No.

Once again, Peewee jumps in with his size 3s without checking the facts.

but i am the one you are calling fickle or hypocritical in your earlier post lando so we both know those are aimed at me.

really this is one you have lost lando, if you want to carry on feel free.

i have made my points, they are there for everyone to read, all those "fickle" people who support the club have their loyalty called into question.

my last post on the subject, if you want to try and pick more holes in it feel free to argue with yourself

[Ciggy]

If Chelsea win later on and go top they will probably stay there for the rest of the season.
We fucked up big time today and I am livid.

[Rockthekop]

Lets face it, we are gonna draw games over the season and a draw away to a good Pompey side is a decent result, especially since we played ! We were lucky to get a point! Crouch has no grounds to complain about being left out when he plays like that, he was woeful and offered no threat, no change there then!

[account deleted by request]

I would rather people gave their honest opinion on a game than be forced into presenting a false opinion because they don't want to be called fickle.

Rafa got it wrong today in my opinion, next time hopefully he gets it right and I will give him full credit, that doesnt make me fickle, I am just giving an honest opinion.

[maypaxvobiscum]

I would rather people gave their honest opinion on a game than be forced into presenting a false opinion because they don't want to be called fickle.

Rafa got it wrong today in my opinion, next time hopefully he gets it right and I will give him full credit, that doesnt make me fickle, I am just giving an honest opinion.

i like your attitude

[stmichael]

Just on another note, our set pieces are still f#cking abysmal.

[Lando_Griffin]

I'd love to see you get out of this one.

and now your second pearl of wisdom

"Fickle: 1. Likely to change. 2. Not constant or loyal in affections."

ok you wrote this, you are saying that if someone changes their opinion on something or gives an honest opinion on a performance that makes them fickle, so you are suggesting that a supporter must praise his team, he is never allowed to praise his team for a good performance and then criticise his team for a poor performance as this makes him fickle.

i point out that for you to say someons loyalties have been weakend because they criticise a poor performance is wrong, and make no mistake about it thats what you are doing.

ok i will use myself as a point, i went to more games before you were born that you have even been to after you were born, now by your definition you are saying i am fickle,(and fickle means according to you Not constant or loyal in affections) my loyalty and affections have never wavered for my home town club, never but i have every right to criticise them when they perform badly, every right, just as every supporter does.

thats is not being fickle, as my loyalty has never wavered and my affection has never wavered, also my opinion has changed based on fact, two weeks ago we played well, today we didnt, my opinion is an honest one based on performance, not based on my support for the club.



over to you

Once again - you miss the point entirely. 

If a person (be the a supporter or otherwise) alters their opinions regularly, then yes, they are fickle. There are no ifs or buts. It is fact that this chain of events is regarded as fickle.

If a supporter were to say, post Derby game, "I think we will win the league. That performance was brilliant", then the same supporter said post Portsmouth;
"That performance was shocking, but I still think we will win the league because we still have a god side" - this is NOT fickle. This is simply stating their beliefs and reflecting on the game.

But had they changed their beliefs after such a short space of time, then this would be fickle. No doubt about it.

I never questioned any one persons loyalties - once again you are using your interpretation of my posts, rather than my actual posts, to win the arguement. What I did was, I quoted a dictionary definition of "fickle". Nothing more. It was a sweeping statement, which you yourself seem to have become embroiled in.

(But the fact is, if people DO have fickle emotions, then their loyalties are questionable, obviously.)


Aha! The old "I've been to more games than you" nugget! I wondered how long it would take a seasoned pro like yourself to resort to such a bullsh*t angle.

Right - you have been to more matches, blah blah blah. OK then - how many have you been to since the season began, hmmm...? Remember, matey, that we can't use examples of seasons gone by - oh no! That's got "no relevance" to this little conundrum, has it, pee?

Hoisted by your own petard AGAIN! You should really be more careful, Peter. 

And once again - I have no problem with people saying we were garbage on any given day - it's when they say we'll win the title one week, then we'll never win it the next, and so on and so forth that really gets my goat and deserves the label "fickle".

Your move, Sherlock...

[112-1077774096]

Just on another note, our set pieces are still f#cking abysmal.

yeah even the 2 gerrard corners at the end failed to beat the first man

[account deleted by request]

Just on another note, our set pieces are still f#cking abysmal.

I think you have just made Lando's day complete, I was trying not to mention Alonso's freekicks 

[Lando_Griffin]

"Rafa is a genius and we will win the league" after Derby (and 5 changes from the previous game).

"Rafa doesn't grasp the league and we'll never win it until he stops rotating." (After Portsmouth and 5 changes from the previous game, one of which was the return of Carragher (which every supporter in the land would have sanctioned)).

These are examples of a fickle attitude. The views expressed in the quotes are not based on fact - they're based on opinions - contradicting opinions.

no problem, i will deal with this one first.

did i make those comments?  and you accuse me of putting words in peoples mouths

Did I EVER say YOU said them? No.

Once again, Peewee jumps in with his size 3s without checking the facts.

but i am the one you are calling fickle or hypocritical in your earlier post lando so we both know those are aimed at me.

really this is one you have lost lando, if you want to carry on feel free.

i have made my points, they are there for everyone to read, all those "fickle" people who support the club have their loyalty called into question.

my last post on the subject, if you want to try and pick more holes in it feel free to argue with yourself

You find the post where i say "Peewee is fickle", then.

Knobhead.

[woof woof !]

Just on another note, our set pieces are still f#cking abysmal.

Given the opportunities we had today I have to agree with you St Mick .

Surely not every free kick from just outside the box has to be a DIRECT strike at goal ?   

[Rafa D]

typical.

[Lando_Griffin]

I would rather people gave their honest opinion on a game than be forced into presenting a false opinion because they don't want to be called fickle.

Rafa got it wrong today in my opinion, next time hopefully he gets it right and I will give him full credit, that doesnt make me fickle, I am just giving an honest opinion.

No. But had you said last week "We'll win the league and Rafa is a genius", then followed it up today with "Rafa's a gimp and we'll never win the league", then it would.