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TOP POST ycsatbjywtbiastkamb ! 

SOme say Rafa "lost the plot: at the end.

He was FORCED to sell to buy for at least 2 seasons ...which Manage would have kept the plot as long as he did with T & T scr-wing up everything they could - ONE freakin day away from Administration we were !

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Bielsa odds have shortened to 16-1

[Thommo's perm]

rafa performed a miracle at this club, infact no other manager in the history of football could have done a better job, i honestly believe that.
when he first took over people forget the state this club was in, the last couple of years of houlliers reign had left everyone with their chins on the floor, the style of footy was so dire that away fans used to chant `hoof` at us. everyone thought LFC was a busted flush, moores said he had no more money and he had to sell the club and our 2 star players who came through the ranks (gerrard and owen) thought the club was so far off the pace they wanted out.
rafa`s first job was to fly out to an england camp and to try and convince gerrard and owen to stay, he couldnt convince owen so we lost our big name star player, the jewel in our crown.
rafa just shrugged his shoulders and said it wasnt a problem, he then signed some players from spain i`d never heard of, alonso or something like that was one of them.
rafa benitez took houlliers no hopers, added 1 or 2 players, gave them direction and then won the f**king european cup, 2 years later he got to the final again.
in 3 years at this club he`d been to more european cup finals with liverpool than ferguson had up to that point in 20 years at united.
he took on and beat the chelsea`s, barcelona`s and real madrids when their managers held all the aces in their hand, they had the star names, they had the money, all rafa had was his notepad and his tactics but thats all he needed, oh, he also had the liverpool fans believing in him so much that the ground actually became a factor again, for 3 or 4 years it was like the old days again.
what rafa did in europe was a f**king miracle, i really mean that, there was no way we should have been one of if not `the` top side in europe at that point.
he nearly performed a second miracle, and if it wasnt for the 2 yanks i think he would have.
in the league the likes of chelsea were like city now, they spent more money than any club had in the history of the game, united were still spending big money and arsenal had a great side too.
without having the riches of solomon benitez near enough built a title winning side, despite the power and the wealth of the other clubs he nearly pulled off a second miracle, infact if we had managed to keep our side together for one more season we would have pi$$ed the league, united just about pipped us to the post with ronaldo, tevez and rooney in their side (even so we beat that side 4-1 at their place), the following season united lost ronaldo and tevez but because of the yanks we couldnt hold our team together either. that summer we didnt even need to buy anyone, benitez had done the impossible, he had built a title winning side it`s just that it broke up before we won the thing.
benitez was brought down from inside by the enemy within.
because he performed miracles people expected them to happen all the time.

You make some valid points but I also remember his rotating door transfer policy, his insane team selection in Athens and his losing of the dressing room and the plot at the end.
IF he has gained his sanity and learnt from his mistakes, is wise enough to realise he fu'cked up and humble enough to admit it I think we would have to consider him

[Penguins]

rafa performed a miracle at this club, infact no other manager in the history of football could have done a better job, i honestly believe that.
when he first took over people forget the state this club was in, the last couple of years of houlliers reign had left everyone with their chins on the floor, the style of footy was so dire that away fans used to chant `hoof` at us. everyone thought LFC was a busted flush, moores said he had no more money and he had to sell the club and our 2 star players who came through the ranks (gerrard and owen) thought the club was so far off the pace they wanted out.
rafa`s first job was to fly out to an england camp and to try and convince gerrard and owen to stay, he couldnt convince owen so we lost our big name star player, the jewel in our crown.
rafa just shrugged his shoulders and said it wasnt a problem, he then signed some players from spain i`d never heard of, alonso or something like that was one of them.
rafa benitez took houlliers no hopers, added 1 or 2 players, gave them direction and then won the f**king european cup, 2 years later he got to the final again.
in 3 years at this club he`d been to more european cup finals with liverpool than ferguson had up to that point in 20 years at united.
he took on and beat the chelsea`s, barcelona`s and real madrids when their managers held all the aces in their hand, they had the star names, they had the money, all rafa had was his notepad and his tactics but thats all he needed, oh, he also had the liverpool fans believing in him so much that the ground actually became a factor again, for 3 or 4 years it was like the old days again.
what rafa did in europe was a f**king miracle, i really mean that, there was no way we should have been one of if not `the` top side in europe at that point.
he nearly performed a second miracle, and if it wasnt for the 2 yanks i think he would have.
in the league the likes of chelsea were like city now, they spent more money than any club had in the history of the game, united were still spending big money and arsenal had a great side too.
without having the riches of solomon benitez near enough built a title winning side, despite the power and the wealth of the other clubs he nearly pulled off a second miracle, infact if we had managed to keep our side together for one more season we would have pi$$ed the league, united just about pipped us to the post with ronaldo, tevez and rooney in their side (even so we beat that side 4-1 at their place), the following season united lost ronaldo and tevez but because of the yanks we couldnt hold our team together either. that summer we didnt even need to buy anyone, benitez had done the impossible, he had built a title winning side it`s just that it broke up before we won the thing.
benitez was brought down from inside by the enemy within.
because he performed miracles people expected them to happen all the time.

Great post and something I agree with. Many just got spolied and did not understand how well he did considering the resources the top teams have. He did it all when the vermin were the owners!

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mramo -please stop being such a condescending t-t -You do  you realise that there was a time whn you had 2 posts to your name? What does that have to do with the discussion?

""Vilas Boas has high potential .."" you say and that is precisely  the problem - Portugal league compared to EPL is a stroll in the park. How many big teams are there in that league? We cannot afford to risk someone with "potential" .

We need a PROVEN winner of MAJOR trophies .AVB will not command the respect of LFC players with his "Porto experience."

[Thommo's perm]

How many years did it take?
How much patience did the owners and the fans have?
We are now in the position where, if you dont get it right after one season youre out!
Like someone just said, we have turned into chelsea...

You are going overboard on the drama there. If we had improved our league form compared to last season i'm sure Kenny would still be here.

As for Klopp he took over Dortmund when they had finished 13'th. Got them up to 6th and fifth in the next two seasons before he won the title. The team improved every season and won the league in 3 years.

Drama? Really?

Who is going to get 3 years when KK didnt get more than 1?
Dont talk sh'ite lad. The owners have set a precedent and they know it. They have made the decision to give the next manager 1 season to get 4th place and qualify for the CL. If not they would have kept KK and given him more time.
We are in a very dangerous place, very dangerous....

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

rafa performed a miracle at this club, infact no other manager in the history of football could have done a better job, i honestly believe that.
when he first took over people forget the state this club was in, the last couple of years of houlliers reign had left everyone with their chins on the floor, the style of footy was so dire that away fans used to chant `hoof` at us. everyone thought LFC was a busted flush, moores said he had no more money and he had to sell the club and our 2 star players who came through the ranks (gerrard and owen) thought the club was so far off the pace they wanted out.
rafa`s first job was to fly out to an england camp and to try and convince gerrard and owen to stay, he couldnt convince owen so we lost our big name star player, the jewel in our crown.
rafa just shrugged his shoulders and said it wasnt a problem, he then signed some players from spain i`d never heard of, alonso or something like that was one of them.
rafa benitez took houlliers no hopers, added 1 or 2 players, gave them direction and then won the f**king european cup, 2 years later he got to the final again.
in 3 years at this club he`d been to more european cup finals with liverpool than ferguson had up to that point in 20 years at united.
he took on and beat the chelsea`s, barcelona`s and real madrids when their managers held all the aces in their hand, they had the star names, they had the money, all rafa had was his notepad and his tactics but thats all he needed, oh, he also had the liverpool fans believing in him so much that the ground actually became a factor again, for 3 or 4 years it was like the old days again.
what rafa did in europe was a f**king miracle, i really mean that, there was no way we should have been one of if not `the` top side in europe at that point.
he nearly performed a second miracle, and if it wasnt for the 2 yanks i think he would have.
in the league the likes of chelsea were like city now, they spent more money than any club had in the history of the game, united were still spending big money and arsenal had a great side too.
without having the riches of solomon benitez near enough built a title winning side, despite the power and the wealth of the other clubs he nearly pulled off a second miracle, infact if we had managed to keep our side together for one more season we would have pi$$ed the league, united just about pipped us to the post with ronaldo, tevez and rooney in their side (even so we beat that side 4-1 at their place), the following season united lost ronaldo and tevez but because of the yanks we couldnt hold our team together either. that summer we didnt even need to buy anyone, benitez had done the impossible, he had built a title winning side it`s just that it broke up before we won the thing.
benitez was brought down from inside by the enemy within.
because he performed miracles people expected them to happen all the time.

You make some valid points but I also remember his rotating door transfer policy, his insane team selection in Athens and his losing of the dressing room and the plot at the end.
IF he has gained his sanity and learnt from his mistakes, is wise enough to realise he fu'cked up and humble enough to admit it I think we would have to consider him

his rotating door transfer policy was because he was trying to find lumps of carbon that he could turn into diamonds, he could not compete with the chelsea`s and uniteds but he didnt need to.
look at the players he brought to the club for 6-7m, the likes of reina, skrtel, agger, lucas etc and when he did have money to spend 9 times out of 10 he spent it wisely - alonso, torres, mascherano, johnson etc.
at the end benitez was a dead man walking, it was hard for him to have any authority in the dressing room because the players knew that if they fell out with benitez the owners would back the players, it`s a credit he stuck at it for as long as he did, i think he did it because he loved the club and fans.
no manager in the history of the game could have inherited what he did and coped with what he had to cope with and done more.
he wasnt a manager he was a miracle worker.

[mart]

Who is going to get 3 years when KK didnt get more than 1?

The next manager that improves our league form.

[stmichael]

both jewell and bruce had better records at wigan than martinez

[Thommo's perm]

You are not convincing me, in fact youre putting me off
I could easily rip into Rafa and point out his many faults but I have respect for him and appreciate most of what he did. Istanbul will stay with me to my dying day. But as much as he was a miracle worker he was also a fu'ck up merchant.
When he was good he was very, very good. When he was bad he was awful

[Igor Zidane]

f*ck no! I dont want Rafa anywhere near the hotseat. He certainly had his chances and he blew it. He was one of the reason for the downfall of Liverpool making inexcusable decisions like selling Alonso, buying Aquilani, playing boring tactical defensive football & his rotational policy was questionable. Man management was poor and often alienating his own players by not communicating with them.

The owners need to aim high. And by high I mean Guardiola, Klopp, Vilas Boas. Managers like Martinez & Fraser will not command the level of respect our squad need instilling. They are new and in developmental stages of their career.

apart from one year (his last year) champions league every year  1/4 finals  ,semi finals , actually challenging for major honours . Boss european away wins , Two champions league finals  and fa cup , second in the league. All this on the back of fighting the most atrocious owners in our history. Oh how i wish we had it again .

[banana(real one)]

rafa performed a miracle at this club, infact no other manager in the history of football could have done a better job, i honestly believe that.
when he first took over people forget the state this club was in, the last couple of years of houlliers reign had left everyone with their chins on the floor, the style of footy was so dire that away fans used to chant `hoof` at us. everyone thought LFC was a busted flush, moores said he had no more money and he had to sell the club and our 2 star players who came through the ranks (gerrard and owen) thought the club was so far off the pace they wanted out.
rafa`s first job was to fly out to an england camp and to try and convince gerrard and owen to stay, he couldnt convince owen so we lost our big name star player, the jewel in our crown.
rafa just shrugged his shoulders and said it wasnt a problem, he then signed some players from spain i`d never heard of, alonso or something like that was one of them.
rafa benitez took houlliers no hopers, added 1 or 2 players, gave them direction and then won the f**king european cup, 2 years later he got to the final again.
in 3 years at this club he`d been to more european cup finals with liverpool than ferguson had up to that point in 20 years at united.
he took on and beat the chelsea`s, barcelona`s and real madrids when their managers held all the aces in their hand, they had the star names, they had the money, all rafa had was his notepad and his tactics but thats all he needed, oh, he also had the liverpool fans believing in him so much that the ground actually became a factor again, for 3 or 4 years it was like the old days again.
what rafa did in europe was a f**king miracle, i really mean that, there was no way we should have been one of if not `the` top side in europe at that point.
he nearly performed a second miracle, and if it wasnt for the 2 yanks i think he would have.
in the league the likes of chelsea were like city now, they spent more money than any club had in the history of the game, united were still spending big money and arsenal had a great side too.
without having the riches of solomon benitez near enough built a title winning side, despite the power and the wealth of the other clubs he nearly pulled off a second miracle, infact if we had managed to keep our side together for one more season we would have pi$$ed the league, united just about pipped us to the post with ronaldo, tevez and rooney in their side (even so we beat that side 4-1 at their place), the following season united lost ronaldo and tevez but because of the yanks we couldnt hold our team together either. that summer we didnt even need to buy anyone, benitez had done the impossible, he had built a title winning side it`s just that it broke up before we won the thing.
benitez was brought down from inside by the enemy within.
because he performed miracles people expected them to happen all the time.

good post

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

You are not convincing me, in fact youre putting me off
I could easily rip into Rafa and point out his many faults but I have respect for him and appreciate most of what he did. Istanbul will stay with me to my dying day. But as much as he was a miracle worker he was also a fu'ck up merchant.
When he was good he was very, very good. When he was bad he was awful

well you are just being unrealistic, what did you expect him to do?
take over houlliers hoof merchants with no money and then dominate teams like united and arsenal who`d been in the CL for years collecting big money when only 2 teams qualified and then chelsea who were spending money like it was going out of fashion?
before rafa arrived in europe we used to scrape past the auxerre`s and get taken the cleaners by the psg`s
anyone having a go at what rafa did at this club just hasnt got a clue about footy.

[mramo]

mramo -please stop being such a condescending t-t -You do  you realise that there was a time whn you had 2 posts to your name? What does that have to do with the discussion?

""Vilas Boas has high potential .."" you say and that is precisely  the problem - Portugal league compared to EPL is a stroll in the park. How many big teams are there in that league? We cannot afford to risk someone with "potential" .

We need a PROVEN winner of MAJOR trophies .AVB will not command the respect of LFC players with his "Porto experience."

I think youre the t-it for making an assumption. Would you have really assumed back then Arsenal would have not commanded the same respect for Arsene Wenger in 1996 having joined from the Japanese league, as Chelsea hadnt for Boas? The problem is we wont get a "proven winner" in this climate. Its also key that the owners have long admired a young manager who can form something of a foundation, miracle and dynasty all rolled in one. AVB potentially fits the bill. Hes 35

Rafa has had his time. He made some major errors in the last 12-24 months of his reign and its unlikely he will be given another chance again. I personally hope someone like Guardiola (if miracles can occur) ever considers an option to join us in a potentially massive project that could pay dividends for its owners. TIme can only tell.

[Thommo's perm]

Who is going to get 3 years when KK didnt get more than 1?

The next manager that improves our league form.

Great
So 7th will be ok next year?