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[Thommo's perm]

Guys rafa won't be back, FSG won't get someone the fans want, they will go for someone they want

Good point
If theyve sacked a club legend for not coming 4th it would make sense that they want a yes man, not someone who will challenge them. They are saying they will not accept failure, but that comes at a high price. Time and patience are absent from their philosophy
They have basically made the job impossible because they wont give the next manager enough money to strengthen the squad and have put a time limit of one season to get it right.
They have fu'cked up big time

[tubby]

Guys rafa won't be back, FSG won't get someone the fans want, they will go for someone they want

Kenny was sacked because he didn't move with the times. Rafa is a modern manager, proven at this level in this day and age. There is every reason to believe he is in contention.

[RedAnt]

Martinez? Rodgers? Brendan Who??? Who are these people? If ya think these guys will walk into the dressing room and inspire confidence and belief, or that they'll be convincing the Alonso's and Torres' of the world to join us, think again. To employ the likes of these guys is to cement our place as a midtable side. Please, please no.

[Boxscarf]

Time and patience are absent from their philosophy
They have basically made the job impossible because they wont give the next manager enough money to strengthen the squad and have put a time limit of one season to get it right.
They have fu'cked up big time

That's a lot of speculation painted as cold, hard fact isn't it?

Time and patience are absent from their philosophy? They gave Kenny until the end of the season, many owners would have removed Kenny back in February or March if Kenny was their manager, our form this year has been woeful, it's as bad as Hodgson's and that's with over £100m worth of investment in the football team.

They won't give the manager enough money to strengthen the squad? How do you know? I know people are angry at the Owners for sacking Dalglish and rightly so, however from their point of view, in 2011 we finished 6th, after £50+m investment in the summer, we finish 8th. That's regression, not progression and FSG have quite rightly dealt with this in a manner they deem fit, even if the fans do not agree with their decision. It is as clear as day that these men mean business and they want to have us competing at the highest levels. I am sure the sponsorship money we get from Warrior and from Standard Chartered will go into the transfer kitty for new recruits. The owners won't bring in a manager and not back his project in the transfer market and of course any player sales will be added to the kitty, so our new manager will have enough funds to ring the changes he deems necessary.

I think supporters in the midst of their anger at the dismissal of Dalglish are forgetting that FSG saved this club from administration, had it not been for them, our club might well be sitting in the Championship, as that -9 point reduction would have put us well into the relegation zone in Oct 2010. FSG have backed Dalglish, but the minimum expectation was 4th place this season and Dalglish didn't deliver and unfortunately he has paid the price of failed minimum expectations.

You can argue that FSG do not understand the Liverpool Way, but I am sure they took a long hard decision over Kenny's position and we'll know whether or not it was the right one when the next manager walks through the door. If the next manager improves our form, our results and performances and we make some serious progression forward then I am sure the manager will keep his job, irrespective of whether or not gets fourth. Going up 4 places in the league is an arduous task for any manager, especially when it is so tight in the top six, but with some signings of genuine quality, there is no reason why we cannot get amongst that top six and ruffle a few feathers along the way. 

[clint]

no to marinez, not because i think he will be another roy, i dont think he would even be too bad, but i think we need someone with a rep whos name alone can attract players as were not in the cl and havent got a bottomless pit of cash. hes what i think about some of the other names mentioned...

avb - im a little unsure about him, u can say all u like about him not giving the respect of the players at chelsea etc but he got the sack whilst still being in the cl, fa cup and hopes of finishing in the top 4 but im gonna say no as i cant bear the thought of having someone elses rejects.

jose - well he is a tactical genius, and is proven but even if we could lure him i dont think he would be successful here, he would be un popular. its highly unlikely so i think its safe to say we can say no here

rafa - hmmmm u can look at this 2 ways, we can say for all the time he was here we were regularly in the cl and even got to 2 finals, and this was with them to$$ers in charge, but then u can look on the other side and say were actually still suffering from the style of football we played under him, lacking invention, playing players out of position too often, im gonna go with no aswell on this one but if we are looking at the likes of martinez and guys who are inexperienced then id rather go with rafa

rikjaad - now i think this is a realistic option, i think what he done at barca doesn't get mentioned often enough, he turned them round when they were on the verge of bankruptcy and were close to slipping away from the football elite (kinda similar to us), he paved the way for pep and made barca a force, it was him that brought in xavi and iniesta, he bought Samuel eto, giuly and deco. he started slowly and had barca close to the relagation zone for part of his 1st season but managed to get them up to 2nd and then the following year turned them into champions (this is while real were spending millions on stars like ronaldo (the real one lol) beckham, zidane etc he also worked well with director of football Txiki Begiristain who funny enough has been linked with us aswell so if we could re unite the 2 maybe we could attract players and get the best out of our current youth setup, get us back into the cl, win a few trophys then make way for pep to finish the job and for us to be the new age barca (ok maybe im dreaming) but i think he could be a success

martin o'neil - as much as i rate him as a manager, im sorry but no for lfc although he would make us hard to beat and possibly get the best out of average players but i think we need that little bit extra so im gonna say no

david moyes - loooooool oh please

i dont know much about the other candidates but i will say im sad to see kenny go and i believe we would have improved, but the question is how much? m not fond of the idea of changing manager halfway though a season so id rather do it now than in jan next year as whoever comes in gets to work with the players in pre season etc, the thing is im sure kk didnt get the sack for not  qualifying for the cl but for how far away we were, we were getting out played by relegation struggling teams at anfield and didnt look convincing, im not sure who was at fault for the signings but all the big money signings have been nothing short of a disaster and ultimately made us a laughing stock this season.

[Boxscarf]

Kenny was sacked because he didn't move with the times. Rafa is a modern manager, proven at this level in this day and age. There is every reason to believe he is in contention.

Not to mention that Rafa is a hungry, he thrives for success, second to him is an epic failure, he expects to finish first. He's ambitious, he's a tactical and more so he'll sort the passengers out in the squad who think they can rock up to matches and not perform while taking home their wages each week. He'd sign footballers like Turan and Falcao who will change our fortunes around drastically, but I doubt he'll be given a second chance. I can honestly see Roberto Martinez becoming our manager which worries me.

[tubby]

Kenny was sacked because he didn't move with the times. Rafa is a modern manager, proven at this level in this day and age. There is every reason to believe he is in contention.

Not to mention that Rafa is a hungry, he thrives for success, second to him is an epic failure, he expects to finish first. He's ambitious, he's a tactical and more so he'll sort the passengers out in the squad who think they can rock up to matches and not perform while taking home their wages each week. He'd sign footballers like Turan and Falcao who will change our fortunes around drastically, but I doubt he'll be given a second chance. I can honestly see Roberto Martinez becoming our manager which worries me.

He wanted to sign players like Villa, Silva and Jovetic. Players that would have come to us had it not been for H&G paying of interest with our transfer kitty. I really think with the right backing he would take us back into Europe and then who knows.

People should essentially look at the team we had then and the team we had now and ask themselves which do they prefer? Not to mention his reputation would probably have a pull on a fair few players.

[metalhead]

Guys rafa won't be back, FSG won't get someone the fans want, they will go for someone they want

Kenny was sacked because he didn't move with the times. Rafa is a modern manager, proven at this level in this day and age. There is every reason to believe he is in contention.

He isn't in contention, FSG will NOT go for a former manager, they have their own plans and ideas, unless they get desperate.

[lakes10]

Mate the problem is RAfa never wished to win the perm. He only ever targeted the CL. This was clear to see when he rested big players two Weeks before a CL game.time and time again we lost to smaller clubs due to him testing players. Add to that he fell out with all the non Spanish players.

[Thommo's perm]

Time and patience are absent from their philosophy
They have basically made the job impossible because they wont give the next manager enough money to strengthen the squad and have put a time limit of one season to get it right.
They have fu'cked up big time

That's a lot of speculation painted as cold, hard fact isn't it?

Time and patience are absent from their philosophy? They gave Kenny until the end of the season, many owners would have removed Kenny back in February or March if Kenny was their manager, our form this year has been woeful, it's as bad as Hodgson's and that's with over £100m worth of investment in the football team.

They won't give the manager enough money to strengthen the squad? How do you know? I know people are angry at the Owners for sacking Dalglish and rightly so, however from their point of view, in 2011 we finished 6th, after £50+m investment in the summer, we finish 8th. That's regression, not progression and FSG have quite rightly dealt with this in a manner they deem fit, even if the fans do not agree with their decision. It is as clear as day that these men mean business and they want to have us competing at the highest levels. I am sure the sponsorship money we get from Warrior and from Standard Chartered will go into the transfer kitty for new recruits. The owners won't bring in a manager and not back his project in the transfer market and of course any player sales will be added to the kitty, so our new manager will have enough funds to ring the changes he deems necessary.

I think supporters in the midst of their anger at the dismissal of Dalglish are forgetting that FSG saved this club from administration, had it not been for them, our club might well be sitting in the Championship, as that -9 point reduction would have put us well into the relegation zone in Oct 2010. FSG have backed Dalglish, but the minimum expectation was 4th place this season and Dalglish didn't deliver and unfortunately he has paid the price of failed minimum expectations.

You can argue that FSG do not understand the Liverpool Way, but I am sure they took a long hard decision over Kenny's position and we'll know whether or not it was the right one when the next manager walks through the door. If the next manager improves our form, our results and performances and we make some serious progression forward then I am sure the manager will keep his job, irrespective of whether or not gets fourth. Going up 4 places in the league is an arduous task for any manager, especially when it is so tight in the top six, but with some signings of genuine quality, there is no reason why we cannot get amongst that top six and ruffle a few feathers along the way. 

OK. Its at times like this we see peoples true colours and whos side theyre on
You are basically providing good PR on behalf of FSG here by telling us that they are tough but fair and have actually done us a favour by sacking KK
You say: "these men mean business and they want to have us competing at the highest levels" if thats so then AVB and Martinez should not even come into contention. They have won nothing, proved nothing and will bring nothing to LFC.
As far as their expectations were concerned, maybe they were too ambitious for a manager who had taken over a team that was on the floor and had just added a number of new players who needed time to adapt? Add on to that a season which will stay in my memory for being beyond belief for many reasons and we have the ingredients for what happened yesterday.
I must say your cheerleading on behalf of FSG is concerning me and making me suspicious at the moment. As businessmen, who as you say are ruthless, it would be in their interest to have people on supporter forums bigging them up and making them seem to care and know what theyre doing.
Just a thought....

[Benny The Noon]

Mate the problem is RAfa never wished to win the perm. He only ever targeted the CL. This was clear to see when he rested big players two Weeks before a CL game.time and time again we lost to smaller clubs due to him testing players. Add to that he fell out with all the non Spanish players.

Shut up lakes and stop spouting *****

He tried to buy players like Keane and Barry so that they could be more competitive in the prem , it's also why he bought Johnson

Rafa targeted the competitons he felt we were strong enough to win whilst trying to remain competitive in the others.

[tubby]

Guys rafa won't be back, FSG won't get someone the fans want, they will go for someone they want

Kenny was sacked because he didn't move with the times. Rafa is a modern manager, proven at this level in this day and age. There is every reason to believe he is in contention.

He isn't in contention, FSG will NOT go for a former manager, they have their own plans and ideas, unless they get desperate.

Mate you are just assuming that he isn't in contention. Unless of course you are working for FSG. :-p

Mate the problem is RAfa never wished to win the perm. He only ever targeted the CL. This was clear to see when he rested big players two Weeks before a CL game.time and time again we lost to smaller clubs due to him testing players. Add to that he fell out with all the non Spanish players.

So he didn't come as close as any manager has in the last 10 years to winning it?

[RedAnt]

Time and patience are absent from their philosophy
They have basically made the job impossible because they wont give the next manager enough money to strengthen the squad and have put a time limit of one season to get it right.
They have fu'cked up big time

That's a lot of speculation painted as cold, hard fact isn't it?

Time and patience are absent from their philosophy? They gave Kenny until the end of the season, many owners would have removed Kenny back in February or March if Kenny was their manager, our form this year has been woeful, it's as bad as Hodgson's and that's with over £100m worth of investment in the football team.

They won't give the manager enough money to strengthen the squad? How do you know? I know people are angry at the Owners for sacking Dalglish and rightly so, however from their point of view, in 2011 we finished 6th, after £50+m investment in the summer, we finish 8th. That's regression, not progression and FSG have quite rightly dealt with this in a manner they deem fit, even if the fans do not agree with their decision. It is as clear as day that these men mean business and they want to have us competing at the highest levels. I am sure the sponsorship money we get from Warrior and from Standard Chartered will go into the transfer kitty for new recruits. The owners won't bring in a manager and not back his project in the transfer market and of course any player sales will be added to the kitty, so our new manager will have enough funds to ring the changes he deems necessary.

I think supporters in the midst of their anger at the dismissal of Dalglish are forgetting that FSG saved this club from administration, had it not been for them, our club might well be sitting in the Championship, as that -9 point reduction would have put us well into the relegation zone in Oct 2010. FSG have backed Dalglish, but the minimum expectation was 4th place this season and Dalglish didn't deliver and unfortunately he has paid the price of failed minimum expectations.

You can argue that FSG do not understand the Liverpool Way, but I am sure they took a long hard decision over Kenny's position and we'll know whether or not it was the right one when the next manager walks through the door. If the next manager improves our form, our results and performances and we make some serious progression forward then I am sure the manager will keep his job, irrespective of whether or not gets fourth. Going up 4 places in the league is an arduous task for any manager, especially when it is so tight in the top six, but with some signings of genuine quality, there is no reason why we cannot get amongst that top six and ruffle a few feathers along the way. 

OK. Its at times like this we see peoples true colours and whos side theyre on
You are basically providing good PR on behalf of FSG here by telling us that they are tough but fair and have actually done us a favour by sacking KK
You say: "these men mean business and they want to have us competing at the highest levels" if thats so then AVB and Martinez should not even come into contention. They have won nothing, proved nothing and will bring nothing to LFC.
As far as their expectations were concerned, maybe they were too ambitious for a manager who had taken over a team that was on the floor and had just added a number of new players who needed time to adapt? Add on to that a season which will stay in my memory for being beyond belief for many reasons and we have the ingredients for what happened yesterday.
I must say your cheerleading on behalf of FSG is concerning me and making me suspicious at the moment. As businessmen, who as you say are ruthless, it would be in their interest to have people on supporter forums bigging them up and making them seem to care and know what theyre doing.
Just a thought....

Old school supporters such as RBG and RRH support with their hearts. There is passion and fire in every post they make and I love it. New-age fans though such as Boxscarf and others support with their heads and you can see it in every post. I prefer the old school. There's nothing wrong with the new-age ones, but it's a very different belief system that is based on the modern football worlds obsession with stats and money as the barometers of success. And therein lies the cold hard facts. Football is now about mind and money rather than heart and soul. And I suspect that football is still evolving, some hybrid cross-breed of football and "soccer" and I fear that many of us will be left behind, dinosaurs of a forgotten footballing age. Maybe im being melodramatic, but dang is sure feels that way at times.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Martinez? Rodgers? Brendan Who??? Who are these people? If ya think these guys will walk into the dressing room and inspire confidence and belief, or that they'll be convincing the Alonso's and Torres' of the world to join us, think again. To employ the likes of these guys is to cement our place as a midtable side. Please, please no.

exactly mate, could you see man united going for one of those when ferguson retires?
would they f**k!

[jacdaniel]

Would like to see Rafa given another go.  He was unfairly sacked for one bad season and I don't believe we'd be in our current situation if he had of stayed.

Mind you, second stints dont always work too well.