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[Smeg]

"rafa upsetting the players by leaving them out when its clear that mash can do a better job than leto, lmao get real you idiot."

1. I'm interested to how is it that you know that players are upset leaving them out? It's a well known fact that Benitez uses a rotation system, this was pointed out to the players when we signed them and those who were there before Benitez arrived.

2. What does Mascherano have to do with Sebastian Leto? Mascherano is a holding midfielder, Leto is a winger. I fail to see what the correspondence between the two is.

Mascherano has been poor since he's come back from the International break.

I take it you're speaking from experience A.B.?

No?

Didn't think so.

Experience of playing at even the lowest levels of the game can help you learn things. For a start...

At the start of this season, my sunday league team manager told me I wouldn't play every game this season as he's going to rotate the squad, we have 18 regulars.

We started the season with a 3-1 loss. We were awful. We then won 6 games on the bounce with our lowest victory being a 4-1 win. We beat top of the league, third and bottom in the period. Myself scoring 4 goals.

You then come to the seventh game and your manager says, right, these aren't the best team in the league, we're going to give one of the other lads a game today... straight away you're off at being left out for an inferior player. I can tell you now, last week I felt like packing in playing when he said that... but I could live with it if they go out and win, I was just hoping the text would come to say we won.

What really grates players and fans is when they don't win.

We drew 1-1. I was left out after scoring 4 in 6 and 3 man of the matches for a player who was weak and not suited to the type of game. When I got the text, I was absoloutely livid. It really me off to be quite honest that I'd been left out, especially after a decent run of form for both myself and the team.

Can you imagine how these players feel when this happens professionally? I'd go absoloutely mental myself if i'd scored a hatrick, took the then was on the bench the next game for someone who isn't half the player, the fact that we then don't win would probably drive me insane.

These lads are human, they have human emotions no matter how much they get paid. Its demoralising when things like that happen. Ask anyone with any experience what so ever.

[josip84]

Because all the mard-a*ses want the league, so the bloke has to push the biggest competition in club football firmly into second place, otherwise the strategically-shaved chimps who call themselves Liverpool fans will throw up in arms and cry like cissy-girls.

If my memory doesn't fail me, I think i can remember some harsh disagreement between what I once said and what Lando Griffin thought at one time in the past. Maybe he will remember.
Today I feel all the more  comfortable to say that IMHO Lando Griffin is right when he says that THE major competition in European football is the Champions'League. The Premiership can't compare.
That's why choosing to regard the Premiership title as the main objective, and therefore putting the CL in second place, is sheer nonsense, a huge mistake.

LFC is world famous.
Why?
Do you think people all over the world know the name of LFC because you beat Porstmouth or Wigan in just any ordinary Premiership game? Or rather because you beat Milan AC in a breathtaking CL final?

How much do your home titles weigh, compared to your 5 European Champions'Competition victories?

Privileging the Premiership at the cost of the major European competition is irrelevant and absurd.
As a consequence, priveleging your next game against the Spurs to the detriment of the game against Marseille proved a terrible mistake. The price to pay  for this mistake may be much higher than you thought.

This is one of the most absurd and out of touch posts I have ever read on this forum.

Criticism without arguments counts for nothing.
Can you see a single argument in LFC's reply to my post? I can't.

The thing you don't seem to realise is : Liverpool FC needs the Champions League much more than the Champions League needs Liverpool FC.
When you have a prestigious competition involving Real Madrid, Barcelona, Ajax, Milan AC, Inter Milan, Bayern, Juventus, Benfica etc., all of them being highly committed to winning every game, you can easily do without LFC. The absence of LFC is one of the things you can get over.

So if some of you, as seems to be the case, think the CL is a second-rate objective way behind the Premiership, why don't you simply withdraw from the European Competition? Why don't you save your energy to concentrate on what comes first in your mind?

Why were you LFC fans so massively present in Istanbul in 2005 and in the 2007 final? Why are you so (legitimately) proud of your 5 european CL victories?

I'm highly interested in your possible answers.

[Smeg]

Because all the mard-a*ses want the league, so the bloke has to push the biggest competition in club football firmly into second place, otherwise the strategically-shaved chimps who call themselves Liverpool fans will throw up in arms and cry like cissy-girls.

If my memory doesn't fail me, I think i can remember some harsh disagreement between what I once said and what Lando Griffin thought at one time in the past. Maybe he will remember.
Today I feel all the more  comfortable to say that IMHO Lando Griffin is right when he says that THE major competition in European football is the Champions'League. The Premiership can't compare.
That's why choosing to regard the Premiership title as the main objective, and therefore putting the CL in second place, is sheer nonsense, a huge mistake.

LFC is world famous.
Why?
Do you think people all over the world know the name of LFC because you beat Porstmouth or Wigan in just any ordinary Premiership game? Or rather because you beat Milan AC in a breathtaking CL final?

How much do your home titles weigh, compared to your 5 European Champions'Competition victories?

Privileging the Premiership at the cost of the major European competition is irrelevant and absurd.
As a consequence, priveleging your next game against the Spurs to the detriment of the game against Marseille proved a terrible mistake. The price to pay  for this mistake may be much higher than you thought.

This is one of the most absurd and out of touch posts I have ever read on this forum.

Criticism without arguments counts for nothing.
Can you see a single argument in LFC's reply to my post? I can't.

The thing you don't seem to realise is : Liverpool FC needs the Champions League much more than the Champions League needs Liverpool FC.
When you have a prestigious competition involving Real Madrid, Barcelona, Ajax, Milan AC, Inter Milan, Bayern, Juventus, Benfica etc., all of them being highly committed to winning every game, you can easily do without LFC. The absence of LFC is one of the things you can get over.

So if some of you, as seems to be the case, think the CL is a second-rate objective way behind the Premiership, why don't you simply withdraw from the European Competition? Why don't you save your energy to concentrate on what comes first in your mind?

Why were you LFC fans so massively present in Istanbul in 2005 and in the 2007 final? Why are you so (legitimately) proud of your 5 european CL victories?

I'm highly interested in your possible answers.

The European cup is great. But we haven't won the league in 17, coming upto 18 long years.

Alot of fans aren't old enough to remember it. We want the league title back more than anything else. We want to be seen as the best team in the country once again consistently.

Thats we want. No-one's saying we don't want to win big ears. Of course we do. 2005 will live in the memory till I'm dead, but we need a league title. We all want to win the European cup, all people are saying is, at the moment, if we could choose one, it would be the league title. As its been a long time.

Its like having two favourate things. You done one yesterday, so you want to do the other today. You don't want to do the same thing twice, you'd rather have one of each.

[woof woof !]

Marseille is no better than the blue bitter, they were lucky to have caught us on a bad day. We are far-far-far better than this.

Perhaps you can be better than this. But you weren't.

It is about time some LFC fans realised there's a difference between virtual things and actual things, between things that could be and things that are, between hopes and facts.

The fact is : LFC 0  - OM 1
Another fact is : OM 6 points, LFC 1 point.

You been a member of this forum for two years so I imagine that you have more than just a passing interest in Liverpool FC. If that is the case you've probably even seen a few of our games, surely even though Marseille deserved their victory you must realise that Liverpool  are far better than the performance they gave on Wednesday night.

We have congratulated Marseille on their performance but as has already been pointed out to you this is an LFC forum, talk about LFC if you wish but if you continue to glorify Marseille you will not be welcome here.

[Smeg]

Quality

[josip84]

The European cup is great. But we haven't won the league in 17, coming upto 18 long years.

Alot of fans aren't old enough to remember it. We want the league title back more than anything else. We want to be seen as the best team in the country once again consistently.

Thats we want. No-one's saying we don't want to win big ears. Of course we do. 2005 will live in the memory till I'm dead, but we need a league title. We all want to win the European cup, all people are saying is, at the moment, if we could choose one, it would be the league title. As its been a long time.

Its like having two favourate things. You done one yesterday, so you want to do the other today. You don't want to do the same thing twice, you'd rather have one of each.

Thanks for your answer smeg. I can understand your point of view. But please never forget that what made you world famous is the European Competitions, much more than the English League titles.

[akumaface]

I'm from Asia and never really got the chance to see LFC at Anfield until last year. I was a fan ever since I was 12 or 13 (I'm now 35). I was a fan not because of the European Competitions but instead it was the FA cup and the Premier league. Not as much games were televised back then and they mostly shown the FA cup matches and sometimes crucial premier league games. I was a fan because of the club style as well as the players. Who wouldn't remember Ian Rush or Dalglish, Barnes etc...They were world class players that were known because of their abilities and they also happened to be played for the reds. So, you have to understand LFC is famous not because of the European Championship. Honestly, from where I'm from, EPL is more popular then other European competition. Only in recent years (around 5 to 10 years) that other league such as the La Liga and European Championship become more popular. So, I understand why you don't understand how LFC has become world famous because you are not a LFC fan (as Marseille is not world famous and thus you wouldnt' understand )

[josip84]

I know there's a time difference and your lot are probably in bed sleeping off last nights red wine, but must we endure your insertions for every day until we meet again? We know what the score is mate, we know that Marseilles deserved to win, and we know you've won your first two matches. Equally however, you know that if both teams played to the maximum of their potential Liverpool would win (or at least I'm assuming you know that).

Now everybody has been very gracious, sportsmanlike and all that, but this is a Liverpool forum where people come on to talk about Liverpool. It won't be long before somebody gets p1ssed off with your interjections, and that someone might just be me if you carry on. Either offer an opinion on Liverpool without reference to yours, or click over to your own forum and talk about Marseilles there, because without being rude I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in Marseilles football club, they might as well be lying fourteenth in the French league for all I care.

Thanks a lot for your generous hospitality. 
I see Liverpool fans feel more comfortable when talking to other Liverpool fans. Intrusions are obviously not welcome, even from someone like me who's been following LFC for more than 30 years, since the unforgettable days of "Crazy Emlyn Hughes Horse", Phil Neal etc.
"This is a Liverpool forum" that's what you say.... Close the borders! Build up miradors! To say the least, it sounds like it could be called "isolationism"...But it's a fact that I keep forgetting that Great Britain is still an island...

But be careful : with such (virtual) exclusions, LFC environment might well soon look like the toilets in the Philarmonic : once wonderful, once admired, and yet you can't forget what you go there for, and the smell is a disgrace.
How about a DNA testing just to make sure I am entitled to post in your forum?

[josip84]

I'm from Asia and never really got the chance to see LFC at Anfield until last year. I was a fan ever since I was 12 or 13 (I'm now 35). I was a fan not because of the European Competitions but instead it was the FA cup and the Premier league. Not as much games were televised back then and they mostly shown the FA cup matches and sometimes crucial premier league games. I was a fan because of the club style as well as the players. Who wouldn't remember Ian Rush or Dalglish, Barnes etc...They were world class players that were known because of their abilities and they also happened to be played for the reds. So, you have to understand LFC is famous not because of the European Championship. Honestly, from where I'm from, EPL is more popular then other European competition. Only in recent years (around 5 to 10 years) that other league such as the La Liga and European Championship become more popular. So, I understand why you don't understand how LFC has become world famous because you are not a LFC fan (as Marseille is not world famous and thus you wouldnt' understand )

Interesting post .
I'm not saying that English home competitions have no importance. The FA Cup final, for example, has always been (and will always be) a major event. I can understand why you mentioned it.
What I'm saying is : back in the 1970s, Liverpool FC club style and quality players became well known and highly praised in Europe, Africa and (probably) South America through the Champions European Cup (as it was called in those days) much more than through the English League.
And I beg everyone who supports LFC not to forget that.

[bigmick]

since the unforgettable days of "Crazy Emlyn Hughes Horse", Phil Neal etc.

It's a nice post Josip, this is by far the best line in it  and you are clearly a decent bloke. If you must though come on here and give it all the "well maybe you only played sh!te because we stifled you" stuff, and "maybe Marseilles were just too good" etc etc, start a new thread about how fantastic marseilles are and then those who want to discuss it can go in there and wax lyrical.

This thread though, is about how Liverpool fans are reacting to getting beaten by Marseilles. Not about how Marseilles fans feel about it (which is no doubt pretty pleased) but how Liverpool fans see it. It is a tad isolationist you're quite correct, but then it is a Liverpool forum, for Liverpool supporters. If you went on Google and typed in "Champions League fans forum" there's probably a number of sites where supporters form all over the globe log in and air their views. Having said that, at this early stage of the competition while everyone is still in, they'll probably still be full of mad Turks...

Like I said Josip, start a Marseilles thread if you must on here.

[woof woof !]

Josip ,enough of trying to be a smart a'rse, I think it was made perfectly clear to you that you are welcome to talk about LFC in here.

[josip84]

Thanks to bigmick and woof woof.
Your messages have been perfectly understood.
I  shall follow the rules.

[66-1112520797]

Marseille is no better than the blue bitter, they were lucky to have caught us on a bad day. We are far-far-far better than this.

Perhaps you can be better than this. But you weren't.

It is about time some LFC fans realised there's a difference between virtual things and actual things, between things that could be and things that are, between hopes and facts.

The fact is : LFC 0  - OM 1
Another fact is : OM 6 points, LFC 1 point.

It wont be long before Marseille croak it.

Ribbit.

[112-1077774096]

fair play to them, they beat us fair and square without any real histrionics, but this guy josip needs to show a little decorum and realise he is in our house, you wouldn't go into someones house and p*ss on their kids mate so don't do it in here.

chances are by the next game rafa will stop rotating, we will be more stable and give you a royal spanking then all your c*ck waving in here will have been pretty pointless

[Anfield rapper]

Because all the mard-a*ses want the league, so the bloke has to push the biggest competition in club football firmly into second place, otherwise the strategically-shaved chimps who call themselves Liverpool fans will throw up in arms and cry like cissy-girls.

If my memory doesn't fail me, I think i can remember some harsh disagreement between what I once said and what Lando Griffin thought at one time in the past. Maybe he will remember.
Today I feel all the more  comfortable to say that IMHO Lando Griffin is right when he says that THE major competition in European football is the Champions'League. The Premiership can't compare.
That's why choosing to regard the Premiership title as the main objective, and therefore putting the CL in second place, is sheer nonsense, a huge mistake.

LFC is world famous.
Why?
Do you think people all over the world know the name of LFC because you beat Porstmouth or Wigan in just any ordinary Premiership game? Or rather because you beat Milan AC in a breathtaking CL final?

How much do your home titles weigh, compared to your 5 European Champions'Competition victories?

Privileging the Premiership at the cost of the major European competition is irrelevant and absurd.
As a consequence, priveleging your next game against the Spurs to the detriment of the game against Marseille proved a terrible mistake. The price to pay  for this mistake may be much higher than you thought.

This is one of the most absurd and out of touch posts I have ever read on this forum.

Criticism without arguments counts for nothing.
Can you see a single argument in LFC's reply to my post? I can't.

The thing you don't seem to realise is : Liverpool FC needs the Champions League much more than the Champions League needs Liverpool FC.
When you have a prestigious competition involving Real Madrid, Barcelona, Ajax, Milan AC, Inter Milan, Bayern, Juventus, Benfica etc., all of them being highly committed to winning every game, you can easily do without LFC. The absence of LFC is one of the things you can get over.

So if some of you, as seems to be the case, think the CL is a second-rate objective way behind the Premiership, why don't you simply withdraw from the European Competition? Why don't you save your energy to concentrate on what comes first in your mind?

Why were you LFC fans so massively present in Istanbul in 2005 and in the 2007 final? Why are you so (legitimately) proud of your 5 european CL victories?

I'm highly interested in your possible answers.

I don't think he needed to give an argument tbh. I agree with what he said. Ask any fan that comes to anfield which they would rather win and 9 times out of 10 they will say the Premiership. Thats why he said your post was out of touch.