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[A.B.]

I hate hypocrites.

Two weeks before the FA Cup started, Benitez said he was going to use young players in the first FA Cup fixture. If you want proof you can look at LFC.tv's reports from January,8th,2005.

Had we won the fixture or gotten a draw I guaradamnte you that nobody would be complaining about the players that started. That's not an opinion, thats a motherf..u..c..k...ing fact.

Before Benitez many wondered why Houllier didn't give the "young lads" a chance because you never know when there might be a Michael Owen or a Steven Gerrard. Before Carling Cup started, Benitez said he was going to give the young players a chance to prove themselves. They did well, kept on going despite that they had luck on their side and nobody complained.

The second we lost with the young players everybody jumped  on Rafa's back. Why? The man from the start said he was going to use the younger players. It was no shock no surprise. The players performed well in the Carling Cup, showed that they can play football against top sides, they built trust in Rafa. Rafa trusted them and played them in the FA Cup, they took it for granted and lost.

When we win a game then Rafa's is numero uno, when we lose then Rafa is garbage?!

IT'S NOT ****** ROCKET SCIENCE. It shouldn't be hard to understand that you can't make three steps at a time, you can't win the league automatically, you can't win every game just because you have a good proven manager.

We're in the top five with no depth in our squad. Now use your imaginations and imagine where we could be if Rafa had the players he wanted.

There's a difference between constructed criticism and just pure bullsh1t. When we first signed Garcia after first couple of games we were saying that he was briliant,etc... but as soon as he got into a bad form he has become automatically the villian. Give the  player some time. From the sound of it some have forgotten that he has been playing for a couple of months in the PRemier League.

Same story with Nunez. He picked up an unfortunate injury and missed a hell of a lot of games and you expect him to be the best winger in the Premiership? Some players will settle in quickly than others but wait at least until the end of the season before you judge Nunez and Garcia.

A little more patience is required. I believe that some of us got our hopes up too quickly. Yes Benitez won the La Liga in his first year but the La Liga and the Premier League are two different leagues. Instant success can't happen unless you have the Russian mafia in charge of your club.

[Starbridge42]

U r absolutely right AB far too many people hear change their opinion like most people change clothes (ie daily) and then they have the gall to complain about other people constantly changing their mind.  Im with you AB because ur 1 of the few people who are NOT guilty of that.

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i have always been of the opinion that you play your strongest side, we did not do that against burnley and we got punished for it. A.B as supporters we have a right to say what we feel about our club, its not hypocritical to criticise for this debacle, even if another poster advocated the use of youngsters previously he now has a right to say that on Tuesday the manager made the wrong decision. i dont understand how people can defend the manager for his team choice.

and i will reiterate, i am not a boo boy and until i moved to malaysia 2 years ago i did not miss many home games between 1973 and 2002, i also attended many away games, so i know a lot more about the clubs history than some little bandwagon jumper.

I expect you will wish to start an argument about this AB but i advise you not to as you dont have the intelligence to hold a proper worthwhile discussion, take of your rose tinted glasses and for once in your life see failure as it is, the manager failed us as did the players on the night. thats a fact. look at the result and then tell me it was a succsesful night 

[Barcelona-Luxembourg]

A long period of success is built from young local players plus few big stars. Remember the Barça of Johann Cruyff, some spanish players like Guardiola, Sergi, Bakero, Beguiristain, Eusebio...mix with Stoichkov, Laudrup, Romario...
Is cheaper and worthy to try to convert young players into PL players than to buy them. They really know what LFC means, they don't need a period of adaptation like foreign players but they need to learn to play under pressure and deal with it. I think, that is what the last game vs Burnley was about.

[woof woof !]

I hate hypocrites.

Thats rich coming from you . In another thread you're jumping all over the youngsters .Hypocrite ,? lmfao.

I haven't seen anybody "jumping on Rafa's back" I have however seen people (myself included) expressing their opinion that Rafa got it wrong with his team selection for the Burnley game . You say that nobody cared when he fielded our young players against Spurs , the reason nobody complained was because most of us  were'nt that bothered about progressing in that particular competition the win against spurs was a bonus that nobody really expected ,if we had lost that game the reaction would have been very low key. The FA cup however is a very different matter and with the game coming hard on the heels of Saturdays loss an ideal opportunity to lift our spirits .
True Rafa had said earlier he would use young players but considering saturdays loss and the prospect of a home tie against Bournemouth in the next round surely the addition of a few more senior players to ensure a win would have been the right /sensible option.As someone has pointed out Baros aside we didn't even have some heaveyweight back up on the bench should the "youngsters" fail to do the job.
Benitez is an outstanding mgr but unless he really didn't give a toss about progressing further in this competition on this occasion in my opinion he got it wrong .

[King Dogleash]

[/quote]Had we won the fixture or gotten a draw I guaradamnte you that nobody would be complaining about the players that started. That's not an opinion, thats a motherf..u..c..k...ing fact.
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how insightful i assume you mean "guarantee"? Why not post somthing that promotes harmony instead of stooping to the level of those your criticising.

[Leonmc0708]

I hate hypocrites.

Two weeks before the FA Cup started, Benitez said he was going to use young players in the first FA Cup fixture. If you want proof you can look at LFC.tv's reports from January,8th,2005.

Had we won the fixture or gotten a draw I guaradamnte you that nobody would be complaining about the players that started. That's not an opinion, thats a motherf..u..c..k...ing fact.

Before Benitez many wondered why Houllier didn't give the "young lads" a chance because you never know when there might be a Michael Owen or a Steven Gerrard. Before Carling Cup started, Benitez said he was going to give the young players a chance to prove themselves. They did well, kept on going despite that they had luck on their side and nobody complained.

The second we lost with the young players everybody jumped  on Rafa's back. Why? The man from the start said he was going to use the younger players. It was no shock no surprise. The players performed well in the Carling Cup, showed that they can play football against top sides, they built trust in Rafa. Rafa trusted them and played them in the FA Cup, they took it for granted and lost.

When we win a game then Rafa's is numero uno, when we lose then Rafa is garbage?!

IT'S NOT ****** ROCKET SCIENCE. It shouldn't be hard to understand that you can't make three steps at a time, you can't win the league automatically, you can't win every game just because you have a good proven manager.

We're in the top five with no depth in our squad. Now use your imaginations and imagine where we could be if Rafa had the players he wanted.

There's a difference between constructed criticism and just pure bullsh1t. When we first signed Garcia after first couple of games we were saying that he was briliant,etc... but as soon as he got into a bad form he has become automatically the villian. Give the  player some time. From the sound of it some have forgotten that he has been playing for a couple of months in the PRemier League.

Same story with Nunez. He picked up an unfortunate injury and missed a hell of a lot of games and you expect him to be the best winger in the Premiership? Some players will settle in quickly than others but wait at least until the end of the season before you judge Nunez and Garcia.

A little more patience is required. I believe that some of us got our hopes up too quickly. Yes Benitez won the La Liga in his first year but the La Liga and the Premier League are two different leagues. Instant success can't happen unless you have the Russian mafia in charge of your club.

Just the usual 3 words from me AB:

POT

KETTLE

BLACK


The Evidence:

The 5th Post down, "AB slags the players" (PART1)



The 1st Post, "AB blames it all on Traore"

The 1st Post, "AB now blames the kids"

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As someone has pointed out Baros aside we didn't even have some heaveyweight back up on the bench should the "youngsters" fail to do the job.

i said that in another thread, once traore did his clown impression we had nowhere to go, but i feel even if burnley had scored in the first minute we still had nowhere to go. there was a lack of imagination throughout the whole team.
woofwoof, do u think rafa underestimated burnley? i do, i think we paid them no respect fieldeing the team we did and as a result we got our noses bloodied

[JBG]

We're in the top five with no depth in our squad. Now use your imaginations and imagine where we could be if Rafa had the players he wanted.

I don't mean to have a go AB but I don't know what you mean about that.

If Bryan Robson had the players he wanted at WBA he'd be top if the Premiership, if my local pub side had the players it wanted we'd be playing AC Milan in the next round of the CL and not Man UTD.

There's no arguement in your point at all.

Benitez messed up the other night, although the players on the pitch have to shoulder a lot of responsibility, as the Burnley manager stated that he'd give his right arm for guys like Mellor, Warnock, Welsh and Raven, let alone our first teamers.

Personally I thought the defeat to Burnley was humiliating, but I'm not too down about it.

[woof woof !]

woofwoof, do u think rafa underestimated burnley? i do, i think we paid them no respect fieldeing the team we did and as a result we got our noses bloodied

In a word YES .

I understand Rafa wanting to rest and protect our senior players , finishing at least 4th this season has always been our priority , but the addition of a few more senior players from the kick of (Baros ,Riise , Carragher ) and this game could have been sown up by half time, after which we could have made 3 subs and played the game out.

Ah well , whats done is done . 

[taff]

I was going to have a go but AB you just dont understand the importance of the FA cup

But like a lot of other clubs its next season now 

I guess we will never here the chant Tell me ma to put the chapmagne on ice now

[King Dogleash]

What we should of done is played the weakened team against Watford, then that would of rested the big players for the MANURE game, then played a strong team against Burnley, cos the FA Cup and league are more important then the Carling cup, lets hope RAFA learns an important lesson about English fotball, or ill be applying for his job!

[ronmeister]

I dont care what team he put out i wouldve liked to see a team who was really up for it be it first team or reserves couldve been the bloody womens team for all i care ,I just wanted to see some passion not lazy half hearted attempt's.

[lakes10]

i hope i am not a Hypocrite
most of you know what i think and have stuck to my guns, yes we have had a few good games but i still feel that we are a long way off from being a very good team.its coming up to 15 years taht we where last champs and i find that far to long to get it right , every time we change the manager we say this is it this is our time , but no it never has been.
15 years is a long time and i think we should look pass the manager most time to see why we stopped being such a good team.
If we are ever taken over than i feel we might get back to where we belong Champions.
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that a.b is an idiot, to think he could get away with such hypocritsy was unbelievable, the lads and girls on this forum dont miss a trick