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[burjennio]

just took the worst beat of my live, my qq vs donkeys 99.

I flop a set qqq

guy hits turn 9 river 9 for the most ridiculous 4 of a kind ever.

If that's your worst beat ever, then you must be far more luckier than I am. QQ v 99 still isn't a cert to win, and the other 9 that came down is really irrelevent seeing that you're a massive underdog once he even flops a set. Worst beat I've ever seen was my ace high nut flush and my mate hits a 1 card outter on the river to give him a straight flush. Now that's one of the worst bad beats you'll see.

Think you missed the point fella. HE flopped a set of queens himself, leaving the other bloke needing to hit runner runner for either quads or a full house. He hit 9 on the turn, and 9 on the river for quads   

Huge underdog? I'd like to have had a couple of quid on him after the flop with his mate needing that lets put it that way. I'd even be generous and take threes on  .

spot on mick I flopped a set of queens and he turned and rivered the 4 of a kind. I cant even find the odds on that beat its so rare! He has to hit 2 EXACT cards to win the hand.

on a 6 seater table I beleive its 36/2 x 35/1 which is a 630-1 shot by my maths

In other news im gettin donkeyed all over the place here. Im playin 6 handed tables and with 5 players left UTG raises, I reraise in next position with pocket jj. the next guy pushes all in on a shorter stack and the next guy CALLS. Now I know that the only donkey hand that calls in that position is AK, cause really stupid people watch 10mins of Poker on TV and think its the pre-flop equivilent of a Royal f*cking Flush so any way Im now getting 4.5-1 on the call just looking for AK not to flop and the flop comes 2 5 q rainbow, the guy pushes (which I expected him to do as I had only 700 chips left and there was 4k in the middle.) and I call, knowing he has Ace..... Queen. Calls 4 f*ucking bets with Ace f*cking Queen offsuit, he is of course demolished by the other guys pocket aces which makes me even sicker when the case ace hits the turn, robbing any chance of winning the pot and I dont catch my Jack and im out in 4 place, to one of the worst calls I think I have ever, ever saw.

Now if any of you are reading this and thinkin to yourself "Well, geez Burjennio, Aq is a pretty good hand" it, and if you learn anything from this poker thread let it be this, and this alone:

PLAYING AK OR AQ VS 3 RAISES PREFLOP IS ABSOLUTELY THE SINGLE BIGGEST DONKEY MOVE IN POKER

you see players pushing with them on TV in tourneys for 3 reasons

1. They are short stacked

2. A raiser is short stacked

They may RERAISE when they have position but against 3 or even 4 bets preflop it gets mucked 100% of the time

End of Rant (I think they may bar me from Full tilt if i keep venting my frustrations in the chat box )

[Effes]

Well, I think Im on a lucky run as I haven't had any bad beats for a while.

After winning 2 $3 + 0.30 90 player sit n go's on Sunday, I got a bit cocky and went in some £10, $12 tournaments and got no where - wasn't disciplined at all.

I went into a $10 $1 before.
I got to the last table and was chip leader on about 27,000 chips - next had about 20,000.

I lost the plot a bit.

I went out 4th, and I knew I shouldn't have called.

BB is 1000 and I get 99.

Fella in front goes all in with 4500 chips, I call then next fella goes all in with 10,000.

Ive got 8,000 left... Im thinking go out. But think feck it.

He's got KK and the other feall had 99 also. That was me out.
I won $45, but I should have at least come 3rd.

I just lost it on another table, small buy in $3.

I had JJ, and went 150 (BB=50)

3 others called, flop = QQA.

One fella goes all in, and another did too.

I thought about it, and folded.

Anyhow, the winner only had 55 !! WTF? I was sure someone would have had a Q or A.

Does anyone reckon I played that wrong? I'd like to know - I was fuming and lost it after that.

[burjennio]

Well, I think Im on a lucky run as I haven't had any bad beats for a while.

After winning 2 $3 + 0.30 90 player sit n go's on Sunday, I got a bit cocky and went in some £10, $12 tournaments and got no where - wasn't disciplined at all.

I went into a $10 $1 before.
I got to the last table and was chip leader on about 27,000 chips - next had about 20,000.

I lost the plot a bit.

I went out 4th, and I knew I shouldn't have called.

BB is 1000 and I get 99.

Fella in front goes all in with 4500 chips, I call then next fella goes all in with 10,000.

Ive got 8,000 left... Im thinking go out. But think feck it.

He's got KK and the other feall had 99 also. That was me out.
I won $45, but I should have at least come 3rd.

I just lost it on another table, small buy in $3.

I had JJ, and went 150 (BB=50)

3 others called, flop = QQA.

One fella goes all in, and another did too.

I thought about it, and folded.

Anyhow, the winner only had 55 !! WTF? I was sure someone would have had a Q or A.

Does anyone reckon I played that wrong? I'd like to know - I was fuming and lost it after that.

you should have definitely layed down the 99s, againt 2 other players and a reraise your hand just doest hold up, unless both players are unlucky enough to hold the same hand, like you and the other guy!

Second hand you had to lay it down, though if 55 won the hand I have to know what the hell the other donkey went all in with?You may have been at the worst poker table in creation (or best depending on how you look at it)

[Ace Ventura]

If anyone fancies a game am up for it



Will play with iou's but its as good as real money, honest 

[burjennio]

man thats a cheap shot!

[Effes]

man thats a cheap shot!

How made was that hand with the 10, 10, 9 flop.

(Burjennio was watching my hand on Full TilT for those wandering what Im talking about     )

I had 8c 10c - this was on the last table.

Flop 10, 10, 9

Me and another fella go big.

Turn J

River Q

I folded - he had K 10 - so I guess a good fold - but I went from chip leader to 5th.

Came 6th in the end

[Kharhaz]

just took the worst beat of my live, my qq vs donkeys 99.

I flop a set qqq

guy hits turn 9 river 9 for the most ridiculous 4 of a kind ever.

If that's your worst beat ever, then you must be far more luckier than I am. QQ v 99 still isn't a cert to win, and the other 9 that came down is really irrelevent seeing that you're a massive underdog once he even flops a set. Worst beat I've ever seen was my ace high nut flush and my mate hits a 1 card outter on the river to give him a straight flush. Now that's one of the worst bad beats you'll see.

Think you missed the point fella. HE flopped a set of queens himself, leaving the other bloke needing to hit runner runner for either quads or a full house. He hit 9 on the turn, and 9 on the river for quads   

Huge underdog? I'd like to have had a couple of quid on him after the flop with his mate needing that lets put it that way. I'd even be generous and take threes on  .

As I mentioned on the first page of this thread. Luck plays a massive part. Its either with you, or it isnt. Poker is an unreliable game, and thats why it generates money. The stories we hear are more about great hands being beaten rather than poor hands coming good. Its a chance game. A convenience game. And when you realise that, the defeats are bearable.

[Effes]

As I mentioned on the first page of this thread. Luck plays a massive part. Its either with you, or it isnt. Poker is an unreliable game, and thats why it generates money. The stories we hear are more about great hands being beaten rather than poor hands coming good. Its a chance game. A convenience game. And when you realise that, the defeats are bearable.

That's true - although I think what gets people's goat is that they lose a hand that was about 40/1 chance of doing so.
It normally involves losing a lot of chips.

These hands are harder to live with, which is why I think people will talk about them more.

Bolded bit - it's rare - that's why you should be happy you have, in all probability, the best hand after a flop.

[bigmick]

My local tourney last week I'm down to the last 5 (lying third). I'm on small blind and the short stacked guy off the button goes all in. I'm holdong AK suited so I'm gonna call all day long. Big stack is big blind so to dissuade him I go all in as well. He thinks about it for aboput five minutes then calls. We turn over and my AK is in the lead from the short stacks AQ, with big stack holding A 10 

Worst case scenario I'm thinking is hopefully that small stack hits his Q and I take the overbet off of silly b0ll0cks big stack. Flop is blanks as is the turn. The river though, is you've guessed it, the 10. I've then got to endure the little c... giving it all the big un, "YES, YES, YES!!!" before I make my excuses and leave. He was it has to be said fortunate on two counts. One with the cards obviously, and two that I didn't put my foot up his erse.

[burjennio]

My local tourney last week I'm down to the last 5 (lying third). I'm on small blind and the short stacked guy off the button goes all in. I'm holdong AK suited so I'm gonna call all day long. Big stack is big blind so to dissuade him I go all in as well. He thinks about it for aboput five minutes then calls. We turn over and my AK is in the lead from the short stacks AQ, with big stack holding A 10 

Worst case scenario I'm thinking is hopefully that small stack hits his Q and I take the overbet off of silly b0ll0cks big stack. Flop is blanks as is the turn. The river though, is you've guessed it, the 10. I've then got to endure the little c... giving it all the big un, "YES, YES, YES!!!" before I make my excuses and leave. He was it has to be said fortunate on two counts. One with the cards obviously, and two that I didn't put my foot up his erse.

Thats is what gets on a good players nerves, it's not the bad beats, its when someone beats you in a hand by playing it like an idiot. How could anyone think his a10 against 2 all ins was strong? AK vs AQ is about a 2/1 fav, throw in A10 and it'll be lucky to win 52% of a 3 handed race. So in this instance a player has made a play that has horrendeous negative expected value (EV and -EV are featured heavily in the David Sklansky "Theory of Poker" book, but you can look up the gist of it on google) but because hes giving you more cards that can beat you he is lowering your expected value in the hand.

On average tournament play features a lower standard of player, understandable because most know that just about anyone has a chance of going far in a tourney with a bit of luck or a run of good cards, but they soon get tired when they sit down at a cash table and their top pair ace with king kicker gets trashed by a deceptively played set of fives and they lose their buy in, only to lose another 5 hands later when their pocket jacks get crushed by a sharks aces. Thats why I have so much respect for guys like Negreanu, Hellmouth, Cunningham and Ivey becasue they consistently win or place highly in these tournaments despite the greater variance in luck that a table full of unpredictable bobos generates, but they can also change gears and dominate a cash table as well (well, maybe not Hellmuth, he stinks at cash tabels! ) but in saying that, I think event the most reckless player in the world would tighten up if Phil Ivey or Tom "Durrr" Dwan sat down to their left (what Im I sayin, Durr is the most reckless player in the world )

If you want to play the right strategy against loose, poor players its a simple one, tight aggressive. Raise your big hands, bet hard when you hit and you'll always get callers. However, if you are in a tournament setting where the blinds are increasing every 10 hands or so then you are not going to get the hands to play that style, and your advantage is negated, so you must loosen up and see more flops which unfortunatly again means bigger swings of luck.

I have coined a saying recently, it goes:"Its better to be a bad lucky player than a good unlucky one " Believe me I fall into the latter catagory 

[peterc1992]

just took the worst beat of my live, my qq vs donkeys 99.

I flop a set qqq

guy hits turn 9 river 9 for the most ridiculous 4 of a kind ever.

If that's your worst beat ever, then you must be far more luckier than I am. QQ v 99 still isn't a cert to win, and the other 9 that came down is really irrelevent seeing that you're a massive underdog once he even flops a set. Worst beat I've ever seen was my ace high nut flush and my mate hits a 1 card outter on the river to give him a straight flush. Now that's one of the worst bad beats you'll see.

Think you missed the point fella. HE flopped a set of queens himself, leaving the other bloke needing to hit runner runner for either quads or a full house. He hit 9 on the turn, and 9 on the river for quads   

Huge underdog? I'd like to have had a couple of quid on him after the flop with his mate needing that lets put it that way. I'd even be generous and take threes on  .

spot on mick I flopped a set of queens and he turned and rivered the 4 of a kind. I cant even find the odds on that beat its so rare! He has to hit 2 EXACT cards to win the hand.

on a 6 seater table I beleive its 36/2 x 35/1 which is a 630-1 shot by my maths

In other news im gettin donkeyed all over the place here. Im playin 6 handed tables and with 5 players left UTG raises, I reraise in next position with pocket jj. the next guy pushes all in on a shorter stack and the next guy CALLS. Now I know that the only donkey hand that calls in that position is AK, cause really stupid people watch 10mins of Poker on TV and think its the pre-flop equivilent of a Royal f*cking Flush so any way Im now getting 4.5-1 on the call just looking for AK not to flop and the flop comes 2 5 q rainbow, the guy pushes (which I expected him to do as I had only 700 chips left and there was 4k in the middle.) and I call, knowing he has Ace..... Queen. Calls 4 f*ucking bets with Ace f*cking Queen offsuit, he is of course demolished by the other guys pocket aces which makes me even sicker when the case ace hits the turn, robbing any chance of winning the pot and I dont catch my Jack and im out in 4 place, to one of the worst calls I think I have ever, ever saw.

Now if any of you are reading this and thinkin to yourself "Well, geez Burjennio, Aq is a pretty good hand" it, and if you learn anything from this poker thread let it be this, and this alone:

PLAYING AK OR AQ VS 3 RAISES PREFLOP IS ABSOLUTELY THE SINGLE BIGGEST DONKEY MOVE IN POKER

you see players pushing with them on TV in tourneys for 3 reasons

1. They are short stacked

2. A raiser is short stacked

They may RERAISE when they have position but against 3 or even 4 bets preflop it gets mucked 100% of the time

End of Rant (I think they may bar me from Full tilt if i keep venting my frustrations in the chat box )

I get what your saying but you could easily folded the jacks pre flop if you did think they had AK,especially with 2 people...there three different hands there and your calling all in when you have a good feeling they ahve over cards....On the flop however caught by the balls..can be annoying  sometimes

[peterc1992]

I just lost it on another table, small buy in $3.

I had JJ, and went 150 (BB=50)

3 others called, flop = QQA.

One fella goes all in, and another did too.

I thought about it, and folded.

Anyhow, the winner only had 55 !! WTF? I was sure someone would have had a Q or A.

Does anyone reckon I played that wrong? I'd like to know - I was fuming and lost it after that.

Disiplined fold but not the right one..I would have folded it aswell...no harm jus wipe it from ur memory

[burjennio]

I get what your saying but you could easily folded the jacks pre flop if you did think they had AK,especially with 2 people...there three different hands there and your calling all in when you have a good feeling they ahve over cards....On the flop however caught by the balls..can be annoying  sometimes

I'll not quote all the posts as it gets annoyin after a while, but I'll explain the the pot was laying me almost 5/1 on the call, and my read on these lower limit tables is that everyone overplays AK, and that if the player with the AQ had had anything better than that he would have surely just moved all in as well, remember that this player has just called a RE-RERAISE with aq off suit and I am aware that on any flop not featuring alot of big cards this player will push to try and narrow the field, if he'd thrown over kk or aa i'd have gave him credit for playin it exceptionally well, but as I said at the lower limits players dont realy have the cahones to try something like that with a large pair with so many players already invested in the pot, nor would it have been the correct play. Also at the price I was layed to call the next players all-in it would have been incorrect of me to fold in that situation. In fact now with time to dwell on the hand I believe that in that situation the only 2 hands you could realistically put the player on are AK or, possibly QQ (though I still have a strong suspicion QQ would push in that situation, as I probably would have done myself at a 6 max, (10 seater table against 3 rasies preflop I'd fold QQ ) but this is a situation where playing a hand badly didnt really harm the guy as much as it should, he was crushed by the AA but made a small loss taking my chips.

Id also point out that there was 5 players left at this stage, so my mistake was not pushing preflop where the jacks are going to be a strong favourite a majority of the time (though in this case they were crushed)

[dawson99]

I hate JJ, worst hand in poker if you ask me. It's picture cards but very weak. A lot of people over play JJ, give me 9-10 suited any day of the week

[bigmick]

I hate JJ, worst hand in poker if you ask me. It's picture cards but very weak. A lot of people over play JJ, give me 9-10 suited any day of the week

For me it's a push fold hand if I'm first to act, while I'll play it like any medium pocket pair if there are limpers/small raisers. First case scenario I'll normally raise 3 x the BB, if I get re-raised it's in the muck (unless it's some looney small stack and I'm last to respond to his re-raise). I'm hoping that pushes out the pocket 6's and the like, so post flop if no big cards hit I can bet out (1/2 pot) and see what happens. If I'm re-raised though, I will still let em go.

If someone limps in in front of me or even bets three big blinds, I will have a look, even though I probably shouldn't. If the J hits to make the set, it can be a killer hand because very often the guy has AJ or QJ and barring an unbelieveable hit, the like of which Burjennio was on the recieving end of, you can clean a silly player out.

Anything less than 10's is a flat call for me, but I'll three bet 10's up. Probably a bit looser than mnay would advocate, but that's me game.