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[Emerald Red]

Not gonna get Pro Evo this year.  played the demo and well I hate the speed on the 360 version.  its like pinball soccer plus I have seen vids where the same CPU cheats are in it which have been in the game for 4 years now.  Master League is still a joke and no online leagues.

There is other games I would rather spend my money on for my 360, DS and Wii.  PES needs a whole new engine!

look at this if you need proof!

http://www.dailymotion.com/UK_Jack_Bauer/video/5565296

Honestly, the fella that made that video didn't have a point to make at all whatsoever. If anything, he was just being overly pedantic and fussy about inane stuff that happens in the game. In fact, it can be argued that f*ck up in AI of the players in the game is what makes the game great as you tend to see different things happen every so often. This is nothing to moan about. The fella who made this video really should get a life.

Pro Evo is an awesome game, and has no peer. End of. Football is a complex sport, and Pro Evo has been the only game to get it right for a computer game. Fifa isn't even close, even if the new version did borrow heavily from the Pro Evo format and way of playing, it's still not even as good and that speaks volumes for Konami and Seabass.

But them flaws have been in the game for 4 years now. it is Blatent CPU cheating.  I don't understand why there is pro evo fans who don't want to admit the game has flaws etc.  No wonder Konami are giving us a PS2 engine in HD and calling it next gen.

I like FIFA 08 and think it plays well. the FIFA physics are way ahead of PES 2008.  in FIFA they also have manual passing/shooting that craps all over the scripted system in PES.

Until Sebass creates a real next-gen engine them flaws will always remain.

Every game has it's flaws. Not one is perfect. But the flaws that guy pointed out in the video were just so ridiculous that it's not even worth talking about. The main flaw for me in Pro Evo has been when players seem to chase a ball that is going dead and you can't stop him, so he either touches it out giving away a corner or a throw in, or sometimes an OG. For some reason, this flaw isn't as apparent in this year's game, but it's still there. That's just something that hasn't been fixed.


Regardless, this series has never been better. All E.A's bullsh*t talk of air pressure in the ball and affecting the dynamics of how it travels through the air is just complete bollox. You can add all the physics in a game in the world, but when it comes to a game of this sort, it comes down to how it feels as a player when you are playing it. It has to be fun, while retaining a pure footballing feel to it. Fifa 08 is an improvement over their usual shyte they make. It only took them like 12 years to catch on, and even at that it was Pro Evo they took their mold from.

The manual passing system in Fifa is not new, I'm afraid. Pro Evo had that years ago first way back on the PSX. You could use the right stick to hit a manual pass into space. It was unplayable most of the time using this method, so Konami ditched it. It really doesn't improve the game at all.

Another thing: I don't understand why people are still saying this "next-gen" phrase. These machines (well 360 has) been about for over 2 years now. They are current generation now. Either way, most of the games produced are not a million miles apart from what was seen in the previous generation. Fifa 08 is only now starting to resemble what Pro Evo was 7 years ago. E.A concentrated on making Fifa 08 play too much how real football LOOKS like it's being played when it's on the TV. What they've done is created a sim that is sluggish and often boring. They've taken the game out of video game. They are far too concerned with using all the tech inside the system instead of making the game exciting and fun for the user. Though, I do agree, Pro Evo does need a drastic overhaul is it is starting to get stale a bit. Though it's still got it's magic.

End of the day, it comes down to the old phrase: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. No other football game comes even close to Pro Evo 08, and for all it's faults, when you're playing it and shouting like you were watching the CL final in Istanbul, all is forgiven. Long live Pro Evo.

[red37]

Like i said a few week ago. Pro evo 08 is disappointing in terms of what they could have (and should have) made it after last years effort..Fifa 08 currently isn't all that either. But its getting there wherever that may be, in leaps and bounds. The 'be a pro mode' certainly looks interesting - and whilst adding a dimension which is fresh. Still work to be done on both titles for my money.

[Emerald Red]

Like i said a few week ago. Pro evo 08 is disappointing in terms of what they could have (and should have) made it after last years effort..Fifa 08 currently isn't all that either. But its getting there wherever that may be, in leaps and bounds. The 'be a pro mode' certainly looks interesting - and whilst adding a dimension which is fresh. Still work to be done on both titles for my money.

Certainly, and I think you've just hit the nail on the head. I was bitterly disappointed with the lack of edit modes and something new in Pro Evo this year. Still, this is the first time I've bought the series since Pro Evo 3 or 4 on PS2, so it's going to feel like a great game still to me, which it is.

Next year Seabass has said that the whole game is getting an overhaul in every department. I hope he keeps his word.

[red37]

Like i said a few week ago. Pro evo 08 is disappointing in terms of what they could have (and should have) made it after last years effort..Fifa 08 currently isn't all that either. But its getting there wherever that may be, in leaps and bounds. The 'be a pro mode' certainly looks interesting - and whilst adding a dimension which is fresh. Still work to be done on both titles for my money.

Certainly, and I think you've just hit the nail on the head. I was bitterly disappointed with the lack of edit modes and something new in Pro Evo this year. Still, this is the first time I've bought the series since Pro Evo 3 or 4 on PS2, so it's going to feel like a great game still to me, which it is.

Next year Seabass has said that the whole game is getting an overhaul in every department. I hope he keeps his word.

I'd like to know how (why) they managed to turn the best football game on the market into an also ran....Seabass has dropped a b.ollock on that score for me. It will have to be a monumental change of direction to pull the figures round in their favour with the current emphasis shifted onto Fifa - which for a few years also became lost in the wilderness. However, the difference being that Fifa's inarnation is surprisingly more like Pro Evo than....Pro Evo.  Its certainly heading that way anyhow; fair play to 'em as well if they 'nick' the best bits to augment their own package, the fans of the genre might be best served with a concoction of both into one truly outstanding product somewhere down the line. As opposed to two parts that don't quite make the grade struggling on their own merits.

EA and Konami however, are of course seperate business entities and i suspect the comparisons between and betwixt will continue to serve the masses with an uncomfortable, awkward choice of product for a while yet...shame.

[NANNY RED]

Can anyone give us some help my lad whos 23 has asked me to get him a something called nintendo wee his mate bought one in Argos for £217 on sat is he on a wind up with me or does this thing genuinly exist .He said hes played golf and boxing by just standing on the carpet with something attatched to him. He wants me to get the one where you put something round you ankle and play football

Hes defo on a wind up isnt he i dont wanna go into the shop and make a p.rick of myself

[red37]

Can anyone give us some help my lad whos 23 has asked me to get him a something called nintendo wee his mate bought one in Argos for £217 on sat is he on a wind up with me or does this thing genuinly exist .He said hes played golf and boxing by just standing on the carpet with something attatched to him. He wants me to get the one where you put something round you ankle and play football

Hes defo on a wind up isnt he i dont wanna go into the shop and make a p.rick of myself

No he's not taking the mickey:

Wii

[puroresu]

my copy of super mario galaxy has shipped.  should have it on thursday.

[Emerald Red]

Like i said a few week ago. Pro evo 08 is disappointing in terms of what they could have (and should have) made it after last years effort..Fifa 08 currently isn't all that either. But its getting there wherever that may be, in leaps and bounds. The 'be a pro mode' certainly looks interesting - and whilst adding a dimension which is fresh. Still work to be done on both titles for my money.

Certainly, and I think you've just hit the nail on the head. I was bitterly disappointed with the lack of edit modes and something new in Pro Evo this year. Still, this is the first time I've bought the series since Pro Evo 3 or 4 on PS2, so it's going to feel like a great game still to me, which it is.

Next year Seabass has said that the whole game is getting an overhaul in every department. I hope he keeps his word.

I'd like to know how (why) they managed to turn the best football game on the market into an also ran....Seabass has dropped a b.ollock on that score for me. It will have to be a monumental change of direction to pull the figures round in their favour with the current emphasis shifted onto Fifa - which for a few years also became lost in the wilderness. However, the difference being that Fifa's inarnation is surprisingly more like Pro Evo than....Pro Evo.  Its certainly heading that way anyhow; fair play to 'em as well if they 'nick' the best bits to augment their own package, the fans of the genre might be best served with a concoction of both into one truly outstanding product somewhere down the line. As opposed to two parts that don't quite make the grade struggling on their own merits.

EA and Konami however, are of course seperate business entities and i suspect the comparisons between and betwixt will continue to serve the masses with an uncomfortable, awkward choice of product for a while yet...shame.

Well, if what Seabass says is true, and Pro Evo gets a proper current gen engine with true real to life ball physics and seamless animation of the players, then E.A might as well pack up shop and go home because nothing will get near it for at least another 10 years of trying on their behalf. Pro Evo 08 has been caught up on with the new Fifa, but the difference between the two are still night and day. Pro Evo still plays the better game of football. One thing that is seriously lacking in Fifa 08 is a sense striking the ball. When you hit a thunder bolt in Pro Evo, you know it, and it gives you the satisfaction and excitement even if you miss the target. Just hitting the target in Pro Evo with a 30 yard volley gives you more satisfaction than any other football game and has you screaming out how it didn't go in, or wishing it had. I just get that kind of feeling in Fifa. It may be a decent enough game, but it's still lagging behind. Still, it's got the niceness of the license's it has. Anyway, the day Fifa actually offers something that Pro Evo doesn't have and is actually a better game, that will be the day I will buy it instead. That day will never come IMO.

[Emerald Red]

my copy of super mario galaxy has shipped.  should have it on thursday.

I'm seriously jealous.

That game, for me, defines the reason why we all started playing games in the first place. A true successor to possibly the best game ever in Mario 64. (I can't believe it's been 11 years since that came out  )

Anyway, the level design in that game looks off the chart. Easily some of the best you're ever likely to see in a game for a very long time to come. I'd say it will be the last true great game of it's kind.

I'm 26 now, but the game makes me feel like a kid and there's no harm in that. It's a good thing.

[kobashi]

Like i said a few week ago. Pro evo 08 is disappointing in terms of what they could have (and should have) made it after last years effort..Fifa 08 currently isn't all that either. But its getting there wherever that may be, in leaps and bounds. The 'be a pro mode' certainly looks interesting - and whilst adding a dimension which is fresh. Still work to be done on both titles for my money.

Certainly, and I think you've just hit the nail on the head. I was bitterly disappointed with the lack of edit modes and something new in Pro Evo this year. Still, this is the first time I've bought the series since Pro Evo 3 or 4 on PS2, so it's going to feel like a great game still to me, which it is.

Next year Seabass has said that the whole game is getting an overhaul in every department. I hope he keeps his word.

I'd like to know how (why) they managed to turn the best football game on the market into an also ran....Seabass has dropped a b.ollock on that score for me. It will have to be a monumental change of direction to pull the figures round in their favour with the current emphasis shifted onto Fifa - which for a few years also became lost in the wilderness. However, the difference being that Fifa's inarnation is surprisingly more like Pro Evo than....Pro Evo.  Its certainly heading that way anyhow; fair play to 'em as well if they 'nick' the best bits to augment their own package, the fans of the genre might be best served with a concoction of both into one truly outstanding product somewhere down the line. As opposed to two parts that don't quite make the grade struggling on their own merits.

EA and Konami however, are of course seperate business entities and i suspect the comparisons between and betwixt will continue to serve the masses with an uncomfortable, awkward choice of product for a while yet...shame.

Well, if what Seabass says is true, and Pro Evo gets a proper current gen engine with true real to life ball physics and seamless animation of the players, then E.A might as well pack up shop and go home because nothing will get near it for at least another 10 years of trying on their behalf. Pro Evo 08 has been caught up on with the new Fifa, but the difference between the two are still night and day. Pro Evo still plays the better game of football. One thing that is seriously lacking in Fifa 08 is a sense striking the ball. When you hit a thunder bolt in Pro Evo, you know it, and it gives you the satisfaction and excitement even if you miss the target. Just hitting the target in Pro Evo with a 30 yard volley gives you more satisfaction than any other football game and has you screaming out how it didn't go in, or wishing it had. I just get that kind of feeling in Fifa. It may be a decent enough game, but it's still lagging behind. Still, it's got the niceness of the license's it has. Anyway, the day Fifa actually offers something that Pro Evo doesn't have and is actually a better game, that will be the day I will buy it instead. That day will never come IMO.

I do understand what your saying.  EA do have to work on creating personalities so I feel like I am shooting with Steven Gerrard for example. But remember in Pro Evo the shooting is CPU assisted so it is not you who is actually putting the ball into the top right corner.  why doesnt Sebass give us the option of manual shooting?

EA have done a nice thing with FIFA 08 as they give you the choice of having assisted, semi assisted or Manuel controls.

I been on message boards and read reviews and there is plenty of long time PES players who are not happy with Sebass/Konami.  they promised so much after PES6 on 360 last year and this version is a let down.  It does not matter if it is better than FIFA 08. It is still a let down.

NBA 2K8 is much better than NBA live 08 but that doesnt hide the fact that NBA 2K8 is a let down and 2K sports fcuked up big time.

[Mikz]

Its the microsoft XBox groupies Mikz, Get what you want mate in the long run
whatever serves you better, listen to the kids in the sweetshop trying to convince you there lolly pop is the best, at the end of the day just think what will last you Longer? have you got all day to sit on a console? then base your prefrence on those facts.

In any case it don't matter what you get it just make sure you like it and it serves your purpose .

Oh no you ditant, I think Pandora's box has been opened, not get ready for the backlash 

Mikz: like misty said it depends on your prefernces, if you want a big choice of decent games then the 360 is your ideal choice, if you want to watch bluray movies and download HD trailers then the PS3 was a good choice, personally I think a GAMES CONSOLE should have quality games first and worry about being a DVD player second. 

Well I have to say, most people I did speak to told me to buy the x box 360 machine , especially for the online gaming lark so maybe I will be missing out on something ...
    But GRAN TURISMO 5 brother!!! How could I do without this game huh? Im still rattling away at gran turismo 4 on ps2 and ive completed it 100% . I realise the ps3 has few game titles at the moment but if I remember rightly , the playstation 2 started off slowly too in the days of ridge racer, wipeout and jumping flash.  It hasnt been out that long so when it does start banging out quality games ...what say yee?

Anyway, by the time the new Turismo appears theyll be giving the xbox away -so everyones a happer camper either way

[kobashi]

GT is all about Flash Graphics and a nice catalogue of cars. forget about realistic A.I.  It is full of boring A.I who follow the scripted racing line every single lap. 

strange thing is some people think that having flash graphics and 500+ cars is good enough.  They dont want realistic physics or crash damage. They like Hurtling into walls at 200 + MPH and also hitting dumb A.I. cars out of the way and watch as they dont try and defend their positions!

GT is a good series to play but it is not the most realistic driving simulation like people claim.

[Emerald Red]

Its the microsoft XBox groupies Mikz, Get what you want mate in the long run
whatever serves you better, listen to the kids in the sweetshop trying to convince you there lolly pop is the best, at the end of the day just think what will last you Longer? have you got all day to sit on a console? then base your prefrence on those facts.

In any case it don't matter what you get it just make sure you like it and it serves your purpose .

Oh no you ditant, I think Pandora's box has been opened, not get ready for the backlash 

Mikz: like misty said it depends on your prefernces, if you want a big choice of decent games then the 360 is your ideal choice, if you want to watch bluray movies and download HD trailers then the PS3 was a good choice, personally I think a GAMES CONSOLE should have quality games first and worry about being a DVD player second. 

Well I have to say, most people I did speak to told me to buy the x box 360 machine , especially for the online gaming lark so maybe I will be missing out on something ...
    But GRAN TURISMO 5 brother!!! How could I do without this game huh? Im still rattling away at gran turismo 4 on ps2 and ive completed it 100% . I realise the ps3 has few game titles at the moment but if I remember rightly , the playstation 2 started off slowly too in the days of ridge racer, wipeout and jumping flash.  It hasnt been out that long so when it does start banging out quality games ...what say yee?

Anyway, by the time the new Turismo appears theyll be giving the xbox away -so everyones a happer camper either way

If it's GT5 you're basing your views on, then I think it's worth noting that like the Pro Evo series, it's getting stale and judging from the Prologue, it's a real let down. The AI of the cars has that same drone-like behavior since the PS1. There's also no damage again. The cars are typical PD modeled, but they've been outdone by Bizarre Creations on PGR4. The track side detail is also just plain  . It looks like the PS2 version in hi res, whereas PGR4's detail in the surroundings look so real and detailed, you might as well be in the actual real place.

I love GT, but the series has just become boring and needs something drastically new. For a start, cars should just buckle and break apart after hitting walls. And the AI of the other cars should be improved so that they don't go slamming into the side of other cars when trying to take corners quickly, and same applies for yourself when driving. Clip a car at 100mph should mean you skidding off the track or into a wall, or the car smashing to bits and ending the race. It's the kind of stuff that should be expected from the series by now. Not PS1 style gameplay from 10 years ago.

[red37]

Mikz - Forza Motorsport 2 would have done you..

[metalhead]

Hey red, got orange box, Team Fortress looks awesome! unfortunately I don't have online play but ill be playing it on the PC!

I really can't wait for Call of Duty 4, its going to be massive.

JBG, where are you in Legendary mate in Halo?