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[NANNY RED]

I take me hat off to people like you Daxy lad well done mate.  it must break your heart though

[daxy1]

I take me hat off to people like you Daxy lad well done mate.  it must break your heart though

it does nanny like you wouldnt beleive but i have the best wife in the world!
she gets us through the tough times

[Dundalk]

When i first heard this on the news I started shouting at the tele i was that pi$$ed off. Murdering scumbags. Its just beyond belief. I hope they get all that is coming to them.

BAST*RDS      

[Kharhaz]

Been reading the several links on facebook (thanks ciggy) and was going to pop up pictures of what that kid went through but decided against it. We all know what that poor kid went through. What angers me the most, about all of this, is how this nanny state that the labour party have set up are failing to protect the ones who need protecting the most.

An enquiry is launched. Why? is it to establish what went wrong or is to find proof that those in the wrong were right? It wasnt wholly there fault. They followed guidelines. Well if they did, were it not guidelines set by the government?

A good old delaying tactic while they get their "Think Tank" together and find a good person to blame for what has happened.

This country stinks. What this lad has gone through proves it, but the future doesnt look too great either. A ban was imposed to stop people showing any kind of discipline to your kid, a slap on the backside is wrong, if he/she finishes second he/she is not a loser he is a runner up. Encourage your kid, but dont give light discipline god no ! Thats out the window, outright torture or nothing thats the way.

I find myself hating this country more and more every single day, our morals are wrong with regards to our politicians, our laws are wrong and we are becoming more and more disillusioned because the way things are now, become a criminal, then you get more rights to do what you do best because eventually you will come across that hard working civilian who will protect everything he/she has worked for and challenge you for breaking into there house, assaulting them or whatever.

Its time for a change. And this is were the problem is for the future. Come the next election, and come to voting who are we going to vote for? I cant see anyone setting right what is already wrong with this country. The laws are fickle. They favour the criminal no end. As sad a story this is with this poor kid, I can only foresee more cases coming to light.

[Number 9]

The law should be changed,plain and simple!
No loopholes,no chance of anyone misunderstanding the consequences.
Keep it simple.If anyone is proven guilty of serious damaging abuse to innocent children,whether it be sexual,physical or mental(in a lot of cases its a combination of all 3) they spend the rest of their days in jail.Personally I would prefer the death penalty for them but in this country that is never gonna happen!
A special jail should be set up for child abusers,they are not "common criminals" and should not be treated the same as someone who say steals a car or robs a house(im not saying either of these crimes are ok but they are a million miles away in contrast to child abuse)
They should be put in a facility where living is hell on earth,no TVs,no playstations,DVDs...no luxuries whatsoever!
Who the feck would be worried about going to jail these days?FFS some of the scum that are in there have a better standard of life than single mums or unemployed on the outside,its a disgrace!

If you are out of work the government give you £61 a week to live off,how much does it cost to feed,cloth and keep these kunts warm etc. every week?
The sad thing is no one has stood up and took responsibility,everyone is passing the buck,the authorities are guilty of neglect and should be punished too.But nothing will happen probably,then it will all be forgot about and there will be another Baby P somewhere else sooner rather than later!

[Number 9]

   

[Ciggy]

To all Do-Gooders, well - you've been too good.
But it hasn't worked out like you thought it would.
For todays society, thanks to you,
Is a total disgrace to the one I knew.

There's no respect left anywhere.
No discipline - good manners rare.
No code of conduct, or sense of pride,
Now yesterday has been cast aside.

Today's society is filled with shame,
And you're the ones who must take the blame.
You forced your opinion on people like me,
Then opened the door to anarchy.

There's gangs on street corners smoking pot.
Drug dealers selling all they've got.
Senior Citizens, scared to go out.
Helpless victims for an unruly lout.

Children are rampant and out of control.
It's hard to believe what my eyes behold.
The police are helpless and just look on,
This - a legacy of what you've done.

The innocent suffer by all that's insane.
The guilty walk free, again and again.
We bring them to justice, what do you say?
It's not their fault - send them on holiday!

You've given the guilty a loving kiss,
That's why society has come to this.
For the punishment no longer fits the crime,
As once it did in the pages of time.

You took it away with your big ideas,
And lead us all down a path of tears.
You changed our lives, with your point of view,
And never asked once if we wanted to.

Life wasn't perfect the way things were,
But at least society really did care.
So your efforts to achieve a better place,
Have all back-fired, IN YOUR FACE.

[woof woof !]

Can only hope that when these f'uckers go down, other prisoners will make their life a living hell.

[LFC2007]

When the level of incompetence stretches to the highest echelons of government, and when the outcomes are as tragic as this, they have to be held accountable. The problems in Haringey social services were flagged to an executive level, and to me, that means heads have to roll at an executive level. You cannot stop all child deaths, but you should be able to where the professionals are involved. This case doesn’t just highlight individual errors of judgement, it also points to a wider systemic problem.

It shouldn't have taken another tragedy of this nature to precipate a response. Particularly when there's a tragic precedent within a half-mile vicinity of this one.

I struggle to understand how, inspite of the abuse being recorded by social workers, no action was taken. The council didn't act, the police didn't act (both had statutory powers to remove the child) and there were seemingly no further actions (by way of referral, e.g. to the NSPCC - who also have statutory powers to remove) taken by the Health services  - who were aware of the extent of the injuries and knew they weren’t likely to have been accidental. The council sought legal advice before taking out an emergency protection order (standard procedure), but they opted not to on the basis that the advice indicated that '...the threshold for care proceedings was not met'. Two points arise:

1) It would appear that the council were deterred from proceeding with the protection order because of the legal advice. Rather than take a decision based on the specialist judgement of the social workers, and any other relevant agencies (e.g. NSPCC), they felt compelled to decide against proceeding as a result of the legal advice they received. Aside from the obvious questions relating to this 'threshold' and how the council's legal team came to their decision, the council could still have proceeded in applying for a protection order. If their judgement indicated to them that the risk of significant harm was immediate, they should have applied for the protection order. A child's life was at stake, those charged with analysing the case were best placed to make a judgement on whether to proceed with the protection order, not the lawyers. The final decision lay with a senior manager of the children's services so they must be held accountable for their decision.

2) Social workers informed the police of the abuse directly, but they failed to exercise their statutory powers to remove the child. The powers they have are supposed to act as a safety net for extreme cases - cases like this one - so why didn't they act in accordinance with those powers? It suggests to me that the police didn't consider it within their sphere of responsibility, and preferred to leave it in the hands of the 'proper' body i.e. social services. It may also be a partial consequence of Lord Laming's recommendations (after the Climbie tragedy) which recommended that police focus more of their time on the investigation of other crime, as opposed to liaising, and working jointly with social workers on the investigation of harm. 

Social worker(s) recorded Baby P’s injuries, but pro-active action wasn’t taken. It was the complete failure of the network around the worker(s) which appears to have led to the ommission which led to the tragedy. Baby P was returned home even though serious injuries remained unexplained, this was a key time during which the relevant agencies and the police failed to act. In an attempt to deceive the social workers, the mother explained the injuries as 'behavioural', i.e that he was injuring himself. After this, the appropriate analytical work didn't take place, which would've conclusively proven this wasn't the case (e.g. by removing the child to see how he behaved on his own). Or, during the early stages of the investigation when the first injuries to Baby P had been reported, to look for inconsistencies between the mother’s explanations and Baby P’s injuries. These comparisons demanded a multi-agency investigate team with specialist skills, that did not take place and social services became distracted by her explanations, even though they had an idea that the injuries were not accidental.

I'm not fully aware of the relevance of other bureaucratic issues social workers face, although I have read testimonies from workers, and seen polls by research groups which suggest that red tape takes 'thinking time' away from cases and focuses it more on targets. I think this could be a key point as the current system is (or has been) in danger of making data entry the primary task as opposed to the difficult judgement calls, which unquestionably requires debate, analysis and ultimately a hard-thought decision. Generally, it would appear that they feel overworked and under resourced. Added to this are various other organisation-related issues regarding supervision of recently qualified workers (lack of supervision & joint working).

[Kharhaz]

You have put it better then I could have done.

It shouldn't have taken another tragedy of this nature to precipate a response. Particularly when there's a tragic precedent within a half-mile vicinity of this one.

This is whats eating all of us, which is what got me thinking of the future. Its not looking great is it?

[hello_red]

Liverpool city council need a good kick up the when it comes to social services for kids. Its a disgrace around here.

Its prefered for a family to stay together now, even if there are signs of abuse or torture.

Pussy footing around. As for prison, i think hospital once every few weeks after severe beatings will be happening as soon as they get in to prison. Although they will be protected most likely by the HM proson service! 

[Lando_Griffin]

There is no-one to blame for this but the people who actually did it. I realise that this is perhaps the most sensitive case of its kind, but the blame lies squarely with the perpetrators, not the incompetents.

Blaming Social Services, etc, simply diverts some of the hate from the monsters who did this - and they deserve all the hate they can get.

[Emerald Red]

There is no-one to blame for this but the people who actually did it. I realise that this is perhaps the most sensitive case of its kind, but the blame lies squarely with the perpetrators, not the incompetents.

Blaming Social Services, etc, simply diverts some of the hate from the monsters who did this - and they deserve all the hate they can get.

Yes, I don't disagree, Lando; but there are people in society who are meant to protect and serve, and if these so called people are in place to protect and save lives, then what point is there in them even trying to do that job when a trained f*cking doctor can't even spot a child that's been abused and has a broken back? I get paid for painting people. If I don't do my job right, then my employers tell me to f*ck off and I don't get paid. Well, I've not had that problem as yet, but some have been picky. Same should be done to the idiots who let this go on. It could have been prevented and it could have been stopped. Trouble is with most people is that they assume too much and generally don't give a flying f*ck so long as they are getting a wage at the end of the week or whenever.

[Lando_Griffin]

There is no-one to blame for this but the people who actually did it. I realise that this is perhaps the most sensitive case of its kind, but the blame lies squarely with the perpetrators, not the incompetents.

Blaming Social Services, etc, simply diverts some of the hate from the monsters who did this - and they deserve all the hate they can get.

Yes, I don't disagree, Lando; but there are people in society who are meant to protect and serve, and if these so called people are in place to protect and save lives, then what point is there in them even trying to do that job when a trained f*cking doctor can't even spot a child that's been abused and has a broken back? I get paid for painting people. If I don't do my job right, then my employers tell me to f*ck off and I don't get paid. Well, I've not had that problem as yet, but some have been picky. Same should be done to the idiots who let this go on. It could have been prevented and it could have been stopped. Trouble is with most people is that they assume too much and generally don't give a flying f*ck so long as they are getting a wage at the end of the week or whenever.

Yep, and the "doctor" should certainly have her position reviewed, as that is beyond incompetence. That said, we don't know what excuses the scumbags fed her...

[Judge]

i think any doctor with an ounce of proper training would be able to discover a broken spine!!

any excuse in the world should not cover a blatent injury such as that