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Postby brentd4 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:55 am

.                              mignolet
           johnson     sakho     agger     enrique

                        lucas          gerrard
                              henderson

         suarez                                       coutinho
                               sturridge
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Postby Stu the Red » Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:20 pm

brentd4 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:55 am wrote:.                              mignolet
           johnson     sakho     agger     enrique

                        lucas          gerrard
                              henderson

         suarez                                       coutinho
                               sturridge


Something just doesn't feel right about having two left footed centre halves. Its like a lack of balance... ???

Even though alot of teams field two right footed centre halves.

Must just be "left footist"... :D
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Postby aCe' » Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:38 pm

I dont get where the idea of Henderson being a 3rd central midfielder comes from. He's operating more down the right flank but has the engine and tactical awareness to tuck inside when needed to help out Gerrard and Lucas. Primarily, its that pairing that has been operating in the middle of the park for the first few games now and they've done pretty well. You lose quite a bit by having Henderson down the right flank but what he does offer is that extra bit of balance and defensive cover when we arent on the ball. My guess is that in the smaller games (I'm talking Cardiff, Crystal Palace..etc at home) we'll see Moses come in for Henderson down the right flank giving us that added edge offensively. 

For me, the nailed on starters in the side are:

GK: Mignolet
RB: Johnson
LB: Enrique
CM: Gerrard
CM: Lucas
AM: Coutinho
FW: Suarez
FW: Sturridge

Leaves us with decisions to make with regards to the CBs and a midfield option. If we want to go for width and a somewhat different attacking option (direct) then Moses would be the man for the job (Sterling, Ibe could also be considered). If we want to maintain our possession first fluid and flexible attacking style then Aspas is probably the best option we have. Henderson gives us the option of having that presence down the flank while offering defensive protection to allow the likes of Johnson, Coutinho and Suarez that bit of freedom in terms of attacking movement and urgency in tracking back.

Obviously, we have other options like Allen and Alberto who could potentially free Gerrard up but I think we're better off with the slight personnel changes rather than drastic changes to the system at this stage. Personally, I like what Henderson has done so far this season and I think his impact in the side will be more noticeable in the games where we perhaps wont dominate possession as much and will subsequently need that extra body and energy in midfield to compensate. That said, I'm very interested in seeing what Moses will bring to the table especially if he's given the chance down the right flank.
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Postby tadhger09 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:51 pm

Good post aCe and that's more or less how i see it. I do think Moses will start most games, especially if he can get off to good start.
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Postby Stu the Red » Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:19 pm

tadhger09 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:51 pm wrote:Good post aCe and that's more or less how i see it. I do think Moses will start most games, especially if he can get off to good start.


***** hope not :(
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Postby tadhger09 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:27 pm

Why not Stu? I really think he will be a big step up from who we have here already in that position.
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Postby Stu the Red » Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:47 pm

tadhger09 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:27 pm wrote:Why not Stu? I really think he will be a big step up from who we have here already in that position.


He's another brain dead runner with one trick and a lazy ***** to boot.

Wigan were laughing there heads off when they sold him for £12m or whatever it was. They had a far better player sitting on the bench in Callum McManaman. To be honest, I'm suprised no-ones snapped him up.
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Postby tadhger09 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:09 pm

StuYesThatStu » Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:47 pm wrote:
tadhger09 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:27 pm wrote:Why not Stu? I really think he will be a big step up from who we have here already in that position.


He's another brain dead runner with one trick and a lazy ***** to boot.

Wigan were laughing there heads off when they sold him for £12m or whatever it was. They had a far better player sitting on the bench in Callum McManaman. To be honest, I'm suprised no-ones snapped him up.


The complete opposite to the kind of player the manager would normally look to bring in so? He has gone on record saying that he only wants committed, hungry players who want to work hard for the team.
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Postby aCe' » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:17 pm

StuYesThatStu » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:47 pm wrote:
tadhger09 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:27 pm wrote:Why not Stu? I really think he will be a big step up from who we have here already in that position.


He's another brain dead runner with one trick and a lazy ***** to boot.

Wigan were laughing there heads off when they sold him for £12m or whatever it was. They had a far better player sitting on the bench in Callum McManaman. To be honest, I'm suprised no-ones snapped him up.


Havent seen too much of Moses to form too strong an opinion about him one way or another but I initially wasnt impressed with us being linked with him. After he signed, he -much like Llori- seemed to go unnoticed when talking about our options  and at times I honestly forgot we even signed him. Point is, the expectations as far as he's concerned are pretty low and I guess thats something that most people across the board would agree on. He's more experienced than Sterling and Aspas and from reading his stats (misleading as they may be) he seems to have a goal or two in him (10 goals in all competitions for Chelsea last season, 6 in the league for Wigan the season before). We're limited in numbers down the flanks and he's bound to get his shot in the side sooner or later. What he makes of it is anyone's guess. Sturridge was a much better player to start with but he seems to have elevated every aspect of his game; including things like consistency, attitude, and confidence. If Moses can somehow perform to the top of his abilities or beyond that, he could very well surprise a few people even if in patches (take note Stu)  :lookaround . Would still be good enough for his role and our investment imo.
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Postby Stu the Red » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:27 pm

aCe' » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:17 pm wrote:
StuYesThatStu » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:47 pm wrote:
tadhger09 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:27 pm wrote:Why not Stu? I really think he will be a big step up from who we have here already in that position.


He's another brain dead runner with one trick and a lazy ***** to boot.

Wigan were laughing there heads off when they sold him for £12m or whatever it was. They had a far better player sitting on the bench in Callum McManaman. To be honest, I'm suprised no-ones snapped him up.


Havent seen too much of Moses to form too strong an opinion about him one way or another but I initially wasnt impressed with us being linked with him. After he signed, he -much like Llori- seemed to go unnoticed when talking about our options  and at times I honestly forgot we even signed him. Point is, the expectations as far as he's concerned are pretty low and I guess thats something that most people across the board would agree on. He's more experienced than Sterling and Aspas and from reading his stats (misleading as they may be) he seems to have a goal or two in him (10 goals in all competitions for Chelsea last season, 6 in the league for Wigan the season before). We're limited in numbers down the flanks and he's bound to get his shot in the side sooner or later. What he makes of it is anyone's guess. Sturridge was a much better player to start with but he seems to have elevated every aspect of his game; including things like consistency, attitude, and confidence. If Moses can somehow perform to the top of his abilities or beyond that, he could very well surprise a few people even if in patches (take note Stu)  :lookaround . Would still be good enough for his role and our investment imo.



I suppose he can't be any worse than Sterling... :D
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Postby Benny The Noon » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:34 pm

Do you not rate Sterling then ???
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Postby Stu the Red » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:58 pm

Benny The Noon » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:34 pm wrote:Do you not rate Sterling then ???


Obviously not!
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Postby Benny The Noon » Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:04 pm

What's wrong with Sterling then ?
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Postby Thommo's perm » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:37 pm

I dont know whether he has things on his mind, he is burnt out or hes believed his own press and hes not arsed, but Sterling is not the player he was.
I would rather play Ibe to let Sterling know he needs to raise his game
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Postby tadhger09 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:40 pm

Thommo's perm » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:37 pm wrote:I dont know whether he has things on his mind, he is burnt out or hes believed his own press and hes not arsed, but Sterling is not the player he was.
I would rather play Ibe to let Sterling know he needs to raise his game
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Agreed.

For me Ibe has far more going for him at the moment than Sterling.
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