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[Stu the Red]

We need to be a bit more solid and defensive

The front three will create and score - Henderson and Gerrard will chip in as well

But the main reason to have the three is to give protection that allows the fullbacks to bomb forward to support

You make perfect sense but i cant see the manager playing with Henderson in there now that he has Moses, we mustn't forget that the manager is very attack minded and sets his teams out to attack first and foremost. I think the purchase of Sakho was a marker, he is a speed merchant and also good in the tackle and in 1 v 1's. this leads me to believe we will be playing with a much higher line, pushing our aponents back and compressing the pitch, leaving less space for gaps in the middle.

The manager will learn just like he did last season - two in the middle will get overrun and there will be no protection for the full backs - it's what happened at the start of last season until Henderson came into the team. You need someone like Henderson in the middle if you have a severe lack of power and strength in the middle - adding numbers will improve that. No point being all attacking if you can't actually get the ball because your midfield is outnumbered. The high line will also get exposed by any team with pace.

Rubbish

[tadhger09]

We need to be a bit more solid and defensive

The front three will create and score - Henderson and Gerrard will chip in as well

But the main reason to have the three is to give protection that allows the fullbacks to bomb forward to support

You make perfect sense but i cant see the manager playing with Henderson in there now that he has Moses, we mustn't forget that the manager is very attack minded and sets his teams out to attack first and foremost. I think the purchase of Sakho was a marker, he is a speed merchant and also good in the tackle and in 1 v 1's. this leads me to believe we will be playing with a much higher line, pushing our aponents back and compressing the pitch, leaving less space for gaps in the middle.

The manager will learn just like he did last season - two in the middle will get overrun and there will be no protection for the full backs - it's what happened at the start of last season until Henderson came into the team. You need someone like Henderson in the middle if you have a severe lack of power and strength in the middle - adding numbers will improve that. No point being all attacking if you can't actually get the ball because your midfield is outnumbered. The high line will also get exposed by any team with pace.

I don't see it though Benny. If the space is condensed there are no gaping holes in the middle of the pitch, and when there is little room we are going to need players with technical ability to create space in attack and forgive for saying this but Henderson isn't  a first cousin to a technical footballer.

[woof woof !]

Johnson's awful. Simple as that. Kelly's a decent player if not spectacular.

Oh for f'ucks sake,

Kelly's a decent player (agreed) but in comparison according to your opinion Johnson's awful  .

Yer know there was a time when despite your wind up's I used to think your opinion was worth consideration, but now it seems you really just don't have a fking clue.

[Benny The Noon]

The problem is there is always space - no matter how much you condense it. You can play a high line and have the CB's higher closer to the midfield then you have lots of space behind them. You have them sitting deep and then there is space in front of the back 4. You can never stop all the space- a back 4 with three CM's in front with one of them bridging the gap to the front to make it a 2-1-3 or a 2-3-1 but the one in the middle needs an engine and to go box to box and cover in the wide areas. Henderson is perfect for that.

Last season we were at our most effective when we played Henderson in that role supporting the front three. We were strong in the middle with numbers and were very potent going forward. Go into games without a dynamic box to box type and think we will struggle

[Kenny Kan]

Well, if we're playing Football Manager

.                                                    Mignolet

Johnson                      Toure                                     Agger                    Enrique


                                                    Lucas

                      Henderson                                            Gerrard   

                                                Coutinho

                       
                        Suarez                                     Sturridge         

Haven't used any of the new signings as I've not yet seen them perform in our shirt.

I'd go with that Mr football manager.

[tadhger09]

The problem is there is always space - no matter how much you condense it. You can play a high line and have the CB's higher closer to the midfield then you have lots of space behind them. You have them sitting deep and then there is space in front of the back 4. You can never stop all the space- a back 4 with three CM's in front with one of them bridging the gap to the front to make it a 2-1-3 or a 2-3-1 but the one in the middle needs an engine and to go box to box and cover in the wide areas. Henderson is perfect for that.

Last season we were at our most effective when we played Henderson in that role supporting the front three. We were strong in the middle with numbers and were very potent going forward. Go into games without a dynamic box to box type and think we will struggle

Hence the purchase of two incredibly quick CB's. Look we could go round and round but the fact is we will have to wait and see how the manager sees it and we wont have to wait too long to find out what his plans are.

[7_Kewell]

Johnson's awful. Simple as that. Kelly's a decent player if not spectacular.

Oh for f'ucks sake,

Kelly's a decent player (agreed) but in comparison according to your opinion Johnson's awful  .

Yer know there was a time when despite your wind up's I used to think your opinion was worth consideration, but now it seems you really just don't have a fking clue.

check the IP, it must be Benny in disguise 

[Hustler 2]

Johnson's awful. Simple as that. Kelly's a decent player if not spectacular.

Johnsons one of our three top players you fool.
And you said im "simple" !?

[Hustler 2]

Prob same 11 as whats already bin said:

               Mignolet
Johnson agger toure enrique
      Hendo. Gerrard lucas
                  Coutinho
           Sturridge. Suarez

In a 4-3-1-2 type formation. + johnson + enrique as attacking full backs. Poss Moses in there somewhere depending how good he proves to be. Skirtel, Sakho Llori poss in there for Agger etc, any mix of those centre backs will suffice as we are pretty strong in defence.

[supersub]

Johnson's awful. Simple as that. Kelly's a decent player if not spectacular.

Oh for f'ucks sake,

Kelly's a decent player (agreed) but in comparison according to your opinion Johnson's awful  .

Yer know there was a time when despite your wind up's I used to think your opinion was worth consideration, but now it seems you really just don't have a fking clue.

check the IP, it must be Benny in disguise 

stu makes benny look truly positive

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Prob same 11 as whats already bin said:

               Mignolet
Johnson agger toure enrique
      Hendo. Gerrard lucas
                  Coutinho
           Sturridge. Suarez

In a 4-3-1-2 type formation. + johnson + enrique as attacking full backs. Poss Moses in there somewhere depending how good he proves to be. Skirtel, Sakho Llori poss in there for Agger etc, any mix of those centre backs will suffice as we are pretty strong in defence.

looks good to me.
i agree with benny, hendo`s got to be in there, i dont care how good your CB`s are if they are not getting adequate protection from your midfield then they will concede goals. lots of them.

[tadhger09]

Prob same 11 as whats already bin said:

               Mignolet
Johnson agger toure enrique
      Hendo. Gerrard lucas
                  Coutinho
           Sturridge. Suarez

In a 4-3-1-2 type formation. + johnson + enrique as attacking full backs. Poss Moses in there somewhere depending how good he proves to be. Skirtel, Sakho Llori poss in there for Agger etc, any mix of those centre backs will suffice as we are pretty strong in defence.

looks good to me.
i agree with benny, hendo`s got to be in there, i dont care how good your CB`s are if they are not getting adequate protection from your midfield then they will concede goals. lots of them.

But isn't that Lucas's job? to protect the back four like.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Prob same 11 as whats already bin said:

               Mignolet
Johnson agger toure enrique
      Hendo. Gerrard lucas
                  Coutinho
           Sturridge. Suarez

In a 4-3-1-2 type formation. + johnson + enrique as attacking full backs. Poss Moses in there somewhere depending how good he proves to be. Skirtel, Sakho Llori poss in there for Agger etc, any mix of those centre backs will suffice as we are pretty strong in defence.

looks good to me.
i agree with benny, hendo`s got to be in there, i dont care how good your CB`s are if they are not getting adequate protection from your midfield then they will concede goals. lots of them.

But isn't that Lucas's job? to protect the back four like.

the midfield (infact the whole team) have to defend as a unit and gerrard and lucas lack the legs to do it for 90 mins

[tadhger09]

Lucas is slowly getting back to full fitness, when he is on form he is more than capable of covering the midfield. We dont need Henderson in our team if we are looking to get at teams, he lacks the pass range and vision to play in our MF, people need to realise he is extremely limited as a footballer.

[Ben Patrick]

Woof and hustlers team is the one I would go for. If agger keeps switching off he would be under pressure for me to lose his place for Sakho. There is no way I would play Coutinho as one of the midfield 3. We would get totally overrun in there. We did it first half against spurs at home last season and were getting dominated. Rodgers then brought on Henderson at half time and we come back and won. We also did it away at Southampton and were a shambles.