RED BEERGOGGLES » Wed May 30, 2012 11:40 am wrote:ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed May 30, 2012 9:29 am wrote:the problem with being long in the tooth though mate is that i`ve lost count of how many of these `5 year plans` and `brave new dawns` ive seen come and go over the last 20 odd years.
god knows how many times i`ve seen us `turn corners`, `put in foundations` and be `10 games away from greatness`
in reality though the only teams that have gatecrashed the established order at the top of the division all spent big money (blackburn, chelsea and city) and for all the talk of football changing and being a different game these days the one constant is that the team with the best players generally wins the league.
i dont think this moneyball malarky will make us the team with all the best players, we might find `undervalued players in the market` and we might pick up a few players for 6 or 7 million that we sell for double or tripe that but we arent going to find 11 of those all at once. and for every one of those that are a success we will sign at least two or three that are flops. thats at the very least.
some fans are optimistic now because thats what a change of manager brings, it doesnt matter if you are in the prem or in the blue square every fan is the same, when their club brings in a new manager they start to convince themselves that this fella is the one to bring the glory days back.
i was the same once myself, i was made up when souness arrived, he was nearly as big a legend as dalglish for his feats in a red shirt and he revolutionized football in scotland, instead of players coming south he turned a 100 years of tradition on it`s head and had english players going north, he dragged rangers out of the stone age and took on the bigots by signing catholic`s (which caused a huge storm at the time) and he won trophy after trophy with his side playing entertaining football with skillfull players like dave cooper on the wing. souness ticked every box, he was young, dynamic, unafraid to make huge decisions (signing mo johnston under the noses of celtic) and was a great, great player himself who had brought idea`s back from italy. he looked like martinez and rodgers on steroids and he was walking into a club where the fanbase worshipped him. it couldnt go wrong.
every manager we`ve had over the last 20 years all seemed to be `the one` at the time, wether it was roy going back to the bootroom philosophy and playing great football or houllier who was going to drag this club into the 21st century it`s always been the same.
this is the first time in 20 years though that i`ve actually thought that we are in a state of managed decline, considering we are the second biggest club in this country i think imo that we are showing a startling lack of ambition by gambling on a manager that has 1 years top flight experience with a mid table club.
with this new management structure that has never worked in england and with this buying players undervalued by the market transfer philosophy i`ll be absolutely amazed if it works. the only hope i`ve got is that i dont actually think our squad is that bad, i just hope we manage to overperform next season as much as we under performed this season and somehow get into the top 4 and then the yanks decide to spend big, if we dont get top 4 next season this current philosophy we have now will just see the likes of suarez and even agger etc want to leave the club, they arent going to waste the best years of their career`s waiting for moneyball signings to develop especially when they have the chance to join the likes of barcelona and city.
Seriously mate I have explained why we as fans should share a sense of optimism for the future if a manager who plays progressive football is brought
into the club ..I also have reservations about the owners grand scheme ,but until they abstain from delving into those vast pockets I will reserve my
judgement ..... Seriously though mate I like the majority of your posts and I like the values you retain ,but ffs enough with the doom and gloom because
you're starting to sound as monotone as the Robot of the Hitch Hikers Guide .
Roger Red Hat » Wed May 30, 2012 12:55 pm wrote:maguskwt » Wed May 30, 2012 12:48 pm wrote:You guys are all wrong, I've said what's gonna happen and what's gonna happen is going to be great
care to remind us what you said... I've forgot
maguskwt » Wed May 30, 2012 1:22 pm wrote:I've said it... A few pages back... Well now several pages back... I've said it and I'm not saying it again... But it's gonna be a great revolution!
maguskwt » Wed May 30, 2012 1:22 pm wrote:Roger Red Hat » Wed May 30, 2012 12:55 pm wrote:maguskwt » Wed May 30, 2012 12:48 pm wrote:You guys are all wrong, I've said what's gonna happen and what's gonna happen is going to be great
care to remind us what you said... I've forgot
I've said it... A few pages back... Well now several pages back... I've said it and I'm not saying it again... But it's gonna be a great revolution!
maguskwt » Sun May 27, 2012 12:24 pm wrote:It's gonna be guardiola... You heard it here first...
metalhead » Wed May 30, 2012 2:32 pm wrote:Welcome to the club Brendan Rodgers!
Eagle » Wed May 30, 2012 1:49 pm wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18235961
Brendan Rodgers set to take charge at Liverpool
Swansea manager Brendan Rodgers is expected to be confirmed as the new Liverpool boss in the next 48 hours.
The clubs are understood to be discussing compensation for the 39-year-old, with Swansea likely to receive a compensation payment of between £4m and £5m.
Wigan manager Roberto Martinez had been in contention, but attention has since switched back to Rodgers.
It is understood that Liverpool will not now appoint a director of football.
Liverpool sacked former manager Kenny Dalglish on 16 May after finishing eighth in the Premier League, 17 points from a Champions League qualification spot.
In contrast, Rodgers guided his Swansea side to an impressive first season in the top flight, including a 1-0 win over Liverpool on the final day of the season.
After parting ways with Dalglish, Liverpool have embarked on an extensive search for a new manager.
The Reds have been linked not only with Rodgers and Martinez but also former Chelsea boss Andre Villas-Boas, ex-England coach Fabio Capello, and Ajax manager Frank de Boer.
It is understood that Liverpool will not now appoint a director of football.
metalhead » Wed May 30, 2012 1:50 pm wrote:Eagle » Wed May 30, 2012 1:49 pm wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18235961
Brendan Rodgers set to take charge at Liverpool
Swansea manager Brendan Rodgers is expected to be confirmed as the new Liverpool boss in the next 48 hours.
The clubs are understood to be discussing compensation for the 39-year-old, with Swansea likely to receive a compensation payment of between £4m and £5m.
Wigan manager Roberto Martinez had been in contention, but attention has since switched back to Rodgers.
It is understood that Liverpool will not now appoint a director of football.
Liverpool sacked former manager Kenny Dalglish on 16 May after finishing eighth in the Premier League, 17 points from a Champions League qualification spot.
In contrast, Rodgers guided his Swansea side to an impressive first season in the top flight, including a 1-0 win over Liverpool on the final day of the season.
After parting ways with Dalglish, Liverpool have embarked on an extensive search for a new manager.
The Reds have been linked not only with Rodgers and Martinez but also former Chelsea boss Andre Villas-Boas, ex-England coach Fabio Capello, and Ajax manager Frank de Boer.It is understood that Liverpool will not now appoint a director of football.
Hmm....have FSG finally learned?
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