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[Thommo's perm]

Anyone who knows anything about football is in no doubt that Carroll has skill

what skill? I have skill too... 

Take your boots down on saturday then!

[devaney]

Suggesting that the Carroll critics should fk off and support another team is a bit rich. Maybe you'll do the same when commenting on Glen Johnson. Double standards Thommo - double fkg standards! Carroll understandably has his critics.Idiots like Kerry and D-C go to far. On the other hand you and Benny expect us all to go into a semi permanent state of derision when Carroll actually scores a goal! Carroll's overall contribution has been poor. He has played a major part in our last 14 league games and we have won 3. He is not the only problem but he is certainly a very big part of it.Strikers that don't score goals simply aren't earning the massive wages they receive.i have credited Carroll with signs of improvement but to be honest given the way he has been playing that would not have been too difficult.Last night he was ok but the opposition were utter sh.ite.

[7_Kewell]

need to see a constant run of games with Carroll playing well and scoring, before i change my opinion of him.

Nice to see him score, but he's got a long, long way to go.

[RedAnt]

Suggesting that the Carroll critics should fk off and support another team is a bit rich. Maybe you'll do the same when commenting on Glen Johnson. Double standards Thommo - double fkg standards! Carroll understandably has his critics.Idiots like Kerry and D-C go to far. On the other hand you and Benny expect us all to go into a semi permanent state of derision when Carroll actually scores a goal! Carroll's overall contribution has been poor. He has played a major part in our last 14 league games and we have won 3. He is not the only problem but he is certainly a very big part of it.Strikers that don't score goals simply aren't earning the massive wages they receive.i have credited Carroll with signs of improvement but to be honest given the way he has been playing that would not have been too difficult.Last night he was ok but the opposition were utter sh.ite.

Poor Andy just can't win. Even a match winning performance dosen't win him any support. Don't forget that other players played in these last 14 matches...and we still won only 3.

[KennyisGod....still]

I maybe sufferin from 'wishfull thinkin' syndrome but I have an idea the Newcastle game could well be just what Carroll needed to show him that ship's sailed and the one he's on now is the one to stick with. Last night was a real good team performance by the big fella, so maybe a corner has been turned. He didn't seem half as keen to go down, his first touch did seem better than its been of late and he put himself about as if he actually cared and had some confidence. His overall effort rating was as high as anybody on the park and above a fair few - ok effort dont make him a better player, but its been sadly lackin in the past. I think any Liverpool fan ( I apologise - most Liverpool fans!!) wants to see him succeed, as his success means our success so my fingers are crossed that for him personally this last few games marks a change in his Liverpool fortunes.

[Thommo's perm]

Suggesting that the Carroll critics should fk off and support another team is a bit rich. Maybe you'll do the same when commenting on Glen Johnson. Double standards Thommo - double fkg standards! Carroll understandably has his critics.Idiots like Kerry and D-C go to far. On the other hand you and Benny expect us all to go into a semi permanent state of derision when Carroll actually scores a goal! Carroll's overall contribution has been poor. He has played a major part in our last 14 league games and we have won 3. He is not the only problem but he is certainly a very big part of it.Strikers that don't score goals simply aren't earning the massive wages they receive.i have credited Carroll with signs of improvement but to be honest given the way he has been playing that would not have been too difficult.Last night he was ok but the opposition were utter sh.ite.

Not double standards at all. When I criticise Johnson its because I expect more than hes giving. He is LFC and englands first pick right back and a seasoned professional who has won the PL, the FA cup and the league cup twice. He has a vast amount of experience and can be, on his day, a world beater. I have never, ever said he was sh'it or a waste of money. In fact I have said many times he is a good player who could become great if he tried harder, which is why I get so frustrated with him.
That is totally different to the sh'it Carroll gets. I dont want people to come in their kecks because he scored last night. I believe his contribution overall has been good but he has been lacking in putting the ball in the net. He has improved and will continue improving and last nights performance was one of the best Ive seen out of him in a red shirt. Im not exaggerating when I say we need to make him feel wanted if we want the best out of him. Do it and and he will respond. I know people will say his pay packet should be all the motivation he needs but thats not true is it? Look at Torres or Heskey. They needed to be loved by the fans and they paid it back in goals.
Carroll seems (hopefully) to be realising that not all LFC fans think hes an overpriced, overpaid useless donkey and are willing to give him a chance to prove those that think that way wrong.
Lets hope he starts on saturday and smashes the fu'ck out of the bitters defence.
COYRM!

[D___C]

Suggesting that the Carroll critics should fk off and support another team is a bit rich. Maybe you'll do the same when commenting on Glen Johnson. Double standards Thommo - double fkg standards! Carroll understandably has his critics.Idiots like Kerry and D-C go to far. On the other hand you and Benny expect us all to go into a semi permanent state of derision when Carroll actually scores a goal! Carroll's overall contribution has been poor. He has played a major part in our last 14 league games and we have won 3. He is not the only problem but he is certainly a very big part of it.Strikers that don't score goals simply aren't earning the massive wages they receive.i have credited Carroll with signs of improvement but to be honest given the way he has been playing that would not have been too difficult.Last night he was ok but the opposition were utter sh.ite.

I agree with everything bar the idiot comment.

I watched the entire game again... and anyone that gives carroll above 4 out of 10 for that performance is full of it.

He did two things the entire game.. one a neat lay off midway in the 2nd half.. the second was the goal which came from the direct long ball method that caters to his limitations. The very goal we scored at the end when we lashed it up Wimbledon style.. if we played that way week in week out we would finish no higher than midtable. And its this that is primarily my point. Not only is carroll not good enough (12m is his value) but the style of play that caters to him is bogstandard. Newcastle played this way last season and were 12th... since he left they bought better players, play it on the floor, and they are challenging for the CL. If this was a one off (long ball up) great.. no complaints.. but it has to be the norm in the team with carroll in it.

Getting on the end of a long ball is exactly his game... thats it. Its beyond garbage.. its anti-football. When we play it on the floor hes lost. He doesnt possess the basic skill set. His passing and movement is diabolical. His shooting is wayward to say the least (his best effort he almost put in our net) and also missed a guilt edged chance to put us up 3-1. Getting on the end of a direct move after another subpar performance doesnt mask the inadequacy of the player... he, henderson, adam, spearing, shelvey.. are the new blood that has seen us have our worst season in over half a century. The standards have fallen so low at this club that a donkey gets on the end of a direct move and the apologists come out in force, We are a midtable side with midtable players... but hey, we nicked a late winner wimbledon style at the second worst team in the league. Its indicative of how far we have fallen. Maybe im missing something... maybe we are this average and should lower my expectations and accept it as others seem to.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

I maybe sufferin from 'wishfull thinkin' syndrome but I have an idea the Newcastle game could well be just what Carroll needed to show him that ship's sailed and the one he's on now is the one to stick with. Last night was a real good team performance by the big fella, so maybe a corner has been turned. He didn't seem half as keen to go down, his first touch did seem better than its been of late and he put himself about as if he actually cared and had some confidence. His overall effort rating was as high as anybody on the park and above a fair few - ok effort dont make him a better player, but its been sadly lackin in the past. I think any Liverpool fan ( I apologise - most Liverpool fans!!) wants to see him succeed, as his success means our success so my fingers are crossed that for him personally this last few games marks a change in his Liverpool fortunes.

Good post .

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Suggesting that the Carroll critics should fk off and support another team is a bit rich. Maybe you'll do the same when commenting on Glen Johnson. Double standards Thommo - double fkg standards! Carroll understandably has his critics.Idiots like Kerry and D-C go to far. On the other hand you and Benny expect us all to go into a semi permanent state of derision when Carroll actually scores a goal! Carroll's overall contribution has been poor. He has played a major part in our last 14 league games and we have won 3. He is not the only problem but he is certainly a very big part of it.Strikers that don't score goals simply aren't earning the massive wages they receive.i have credited Carroll with signs of improvement but to be honest given the way he has been playing that would not have been too difficult.Last night he was ok but the opposition were utter sh.ite.

Poor Andy just can't win. Even a match winning performance dosen't win him any support. Don't forget that other players played in these last 14 matches...and we still won only 3.

Well his detractors have had a few hours abstinence from posting , more than enough time to compose a few rancid jibes to remind the forum
why its more fun slating the fucking team than praising them when they do well .

[ethanr]

I maybe sufferin from 'wishfull thinkin' syndrome but I have an idea the Newcastle game could well be just what Carroll needed to show him that ship's sailed and the one he's on now is the one to stick with. Last night was a real good team performance by the big fella, so maybe a corner has been turned. He didn't seem half as keen to go down, his first touch did seem better than its been of late and he put himself about as if he actually cared and had some confidence. His overall effort rating was as high as anybody on the park and above a fair few - ok effort dont make him a better player, but its been sadly lackin in the past. I think any Liverpool fan ( I apologise - most Liverpool fans!!) wants to see him succeed, as his success means our success so my fingers are crossed that for him personally this last few games marks a change in his Liverpool fortunes.

Good post .

Valid point.  It's like being in a relationship that ends... Sometimes you just can't let go until you realize the other person is done and over you 

You could see how ***** he was that the Newcastle fans treated him like Sh*t even tho they had no right to.  I thought he played well that game, and he was really good for us yesterday, so I'm hoping he can turn a corner now.  His touch was good, but he was playing so much smarter when it came to getting into the right position.  He missed that diving header off the corner, but the way he broke off Hanley, who wouldn't keep his f*cking hands off of him, was brilliant.  People slate him for the miss, but if he would have made it everybody would be talking about how amazing the goal was... It wasn't an easy chance.

[Kukilon]

Suggesting that the Carroll critics should fk off and support another team is a bit rich. Maybe you'll do the same when commenting on Glen Johnson. Double standards Thommo - double fkg standards! Carroll understandably has his critics.Idiots like Kerry and D-C go to far. On the other hand you and Benny expect us all to go into a semi permanent state of derision when Carroll actually scores a goal! Carroll's overall contribution has been poor. He has played a major part in our last 14 league games and we have won 3. He is not the only problem but he is certainly a very big part of it.Strikers that don't score goals simply aren't earning the massive wages they receive.i have credited Carroll with signs of improvement but to be honest given the way he has been playing that would not have been too difficult.Last night he was ok but the opposition were utter sh.ite.

I agree with everything bar the idiot comment.

I watched the entire game again... and anyone that gives carroll above 4 out of 10 for that performance is full of it.

He did two things the entire game.. one a neat lay off midway in the 2nd half.. the second was the goal which came from the direct long ball method that caters to his limitations. The very goal we scored at the end when we lashed it up Wimbledon style.. if we played that way week in week out we would finish no higher than midtable. And its this that is primarily my point. Not only is carroll not good enough (12m is his value) but the style of play that caters to him is bogstandard. Newcastle played this way last season and were 12th... since he left they bought better players, play it on the floor, and they are challenging for the CL. If this was a one off (long ball up) great.. no complaints.. but it has to be the norm in the team with carroll in it.

Getting on the end of a long ball is exactly his game... thats it. Its beyond garbage.. its anti-football. When we play it on the floor hes lost. He doesnt possess the basic skill set. His passing and movement is diabolical. His shooting is wayward to say the least (his best effort he almost put in our net) and also missed a guilt edged chance to put us up 3-1. Getting on the end of a direct move after another subpar performance doesnt mask the inadequacy of the player... he, henderson, adam, spearing, shelvey.. are the new blood that has seen us have our worst season in over half a century. The standards have fallen so low at this club that a donkey gets on the end of a direct move and the apologists come out in force, We are a midtable side with midtable players... but hey, we nicked a late winner wimbledon style at the second worst team in the league. Its indicative of how far we have fallen. Maybe im missing something... maybe we are this average and should lower my expectations and accept it as others seem to.

Agree with most except that I actually thought Andy fought a little more this game. My biggest gripe against him is not that he has limited skills but that he doesn't run enough and fight for every ball. He would be a great potential impact sub when meeting certain teams and that's how I see him. I will still never accept the price we bought him for... heads should roll because of it.

Kuyt is not a brilliant in every aspect but he gets the love because of his die hard attitude. Any player giving me that will get my respect and also not get on the end of my "bashing stick".

[Kukilon]

Suggesting that the Carroll critics should fk off and support another team is a bit rich. Maybe you'll do the same when commenting on Glen Johnson. Double standards Thommo - double fkg standards! Carroll understandably has his critics.Idiots like Kerry and D-C go to far. On the other hand you and Benny expect us all to go into a semi permanent state of derision when Carroll actually scores a goal! Carroll's overall contribution has been poor. He has played a major part in our last 14 league games and we have won 3. He is not the only problem but he is certainly a very big part of it.Strikers that don't score goals simply aren't earning the massive wages they receive.i have credited Carroll with signs of improvement but to be honest given the way he has been playing that would not have been too difficult.Last night he was ok but the opposition were utter sh.ite.

I agree with everything bar the idiot comment.

I watched the entire game again... and anyone that gives carroll above 4 out of 10 for that performance is full of it.

He did two things the entire game.. one a neat lay off midway in the 2nd half.. the second was the goal which came from the direct long ball method that caters to his limitations. The very goal we scored at the end when we lashed it up Wimbledon style.. if we played that way week in week out we would finish no higher than midtable. And its this that is primarily my point. Not only is carroll not good enough (12m is his value) but the style of play that caters to him is bogstandard. Newcastle played this way last season and were 12th... since he left they bought better players, play it on the floor, and they are challenging for the CL. If this was a one off (long ball up) great.. no complaints.. but it has to be the norm in the team with carroll in it.

Getting on the end of a long ball is exactly his game... thats it. Its beyond garbage.. its anti-football. When we play it on the floor hes lost. He doesnt possess the basic skill set. His passing and movement is diabolical. His shooting is wayward to say the least (his best effort he almost put in our net) and also missed a guilt edged chance to put us up 3-1. Getting on the end of a direct move after another subpar performance doesnt mask the inadequacy of the player... he, henderson, adam, spearing, shelvey.. are the new blood that has seen us have our worst season in over half a century. The standards have fallen so low at this club that a donkey gets on the end of a direct move and the apologists come out in force, We are a midtable side with midtable players... but hey, we nicked a late winner wimbledon style at the second worst team in the league. Its indicative of how far we have fallen. Maybe im missing something... maybe we are this average and should lower my expectations and accept it as others seem to.

Agree with most except that I actually thought Andy fought a little more this game. My biggest gripe against him is not that he has limited skills but that he doesn't run enough and fight for every ball. He would be a great potential impact sub when meeting certain teams and that's how I see him. I will still never accept the price we bought him for... heads should roll because of it. 12 million pounds and a low wage should be his worth.

Kuyt is not a brilliant in every aspect but he gets the love because of his die hard attitude. Any player giving me that will get my respect and also not get on the end of my "bashing stick".

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Agree with most except that I actually thought Andy fought a little more this game. My biggest gripe against him is not that he has limited skills but that he doesn't run enough and fight for every ball. He would be a great potential impact sub when meeting certain teams and that's how I see him. I will still never accept the price we bought him for... heads should roll because of it. 12 million pounds and a low wage should be his worth.

Kuyt is not a brilliant in every aspect but he gets the love because of his die hard attitude. Any player giving me that will get my respect and also not get on the end of my "bashing stick".

Save us all from your bashing stick 

[devaney]

Suggesting that the Carroll critics should fk off and support another team is a bit rich. Maybe you'll do the same when commenting on Glen Johnson. Double standards Thommo - double fkg standards! Carroll understandably has his critics.Idiots like Kerry and D-C go to far. On the other hand you and Benny expect us all to go into a semi permanent state of derision when Carroll actually scores a goal! Carroll's overall contribution has been poor. He has played a major part in our last 14 league games and we have won 3. He is not the only problem but he is certainly a very big part of it.Strikers that don't score goals simply aren't earning the massive wages they receive.i have credited Carroll with signs of improvement but to be honest given the way he has been playing that would not have been too difficult.Last night he was ok but the opposition were utter sh.ite.

Poor Andy just can't win. Even a match winning performance dosen't win him any support. Don't forget that other players played in these last 14 matches...and we still won only 3.

Well his detractors have had a few hours abstinence from posting , more than enough time to compose a few rancid jibes to remind the forum
why its more fun slating the fucking team than praising them when they do well .

We nearly bin a 2-0 lead again for the second time in a few weeks and you actually think we did well. Blackburn are absolute utter rubbish and we should have gone on to win 5-0 or greater. Instead we struggle to actually win 3-2 and you seem to think it was a great achievement. To be frank we should be able to dispose of the likes of Blackburn quite easily even with ten men. I hate to be so negative about the team I have supported for nearly 50 years but I'm living in the real world. We will play a vastly different game on Saturday because we seem to have the ability to raise our performances against the likes of Everton and the top teams. This is as much a management motivation problem as a player problem. If the team listen to Kenny's after match comments they probably think everything is wonderful and that we are top of the league!

[RedAnt]

Who claimed everything was rosey again? Carroll played well. As Hansen said, he's showing the "green shoots of recovery". I like that phrase because it points to how shell shocked the lad is. He's playing well below his ability.
Get off his back and support him for a change.