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[Kharhaz]

Nah... I can be critical with alot less words...

But FWIW... I agree with Kerry when it comes to Andy... He has taken far too long to be of any use to the team. He has done far too little in the past 12 months for me to start getting my hopes up for him. We are setting our standards very low if we feel that Andy at his current level is acceptable as our line leading striker...

Let's talk more after he has scored 15 goals this season...

Moving on...

So can I. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you, today's supporter. God help us.

[Thommo's perm]

Nah... I can be critical with alot less words...

But FWIW... I agree with Kerry when it comes to Andy... He has taken far too long to be of any use to the team. He has done far too little in the past 12 months for me to start getting my hopes up for him. We are setting our standards very low if we feel that Andy at his current level is acceptable as our line leading striker...

Let's talk more after he has scored 15 goals this season...

Moving on...

So can I. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you, today's supporter. God help us.

If I dont get my own way I wil scweam and scweam and SCWEAM!

[devaney]

Look I haven't been Andy's biggest fan either and I have criticised the likes of Kerry on numerous occasions for their bombastic over the top annihilation of Carroll.However the difference is that I'm prepared to give credit where it is due. He has proved in the last few games that we have not seen the best from him and whilst he may be limited he can make a very positive contribution. Yesterday's first goal against Brighton was as much down to Carroll as anybody else. The Brighton defenders concentrated on taking Andy out which left room for Martin to score.He made a positive contribution throughout the game and was most peoples MOTM including mine.

In the last few game it hash't all been long ball and Stoke style football. Look at his goal if you need further evidence of that!

Was it Brighton that Andy played well against? Oh yeah right ... Moving on...

Selective memory it seems.

The sensible ones on here would say that Carroll's performances since the FA Cup 4th round win against Man Utd are a world apart from the performance we saw previously.

At least some on here aren't so far up their own backsides that they can give credit where credit is due, even if they do despise the player. Take note.

If I were you I wouldn't get my hopes up just yet...
If I were you I wouldn't hold my breath...

As I said:
Given that Henderson actually looked worse than usual against Brighton I don't really understand your point. Give Andy a break. If you can't see that he has improved significantly over the last few games then you obviously don't want him to improve.Were you still whinging about the deficiencies of Andy Carroll when he lost Evra and flicked a superb ball to Kuyt who scored and that was the end of Manchester United's FA Cup campaign for this season! No like everybody else you were jumping around with delight !!!

Come on admit it you were jumping around with the rest of us!

[supersub]

Nah... I can be critical with alot less words...

But FWIW... I agree with Kerry when it comes to Andy... He has taken far too long to be of any use to the team. He has done far too little in the past 12 months for me to start getting my hopes up for him. We are setting our standards very low if we feel that Andy at his current level is acceptable as our line leading striker...

Let's talk more after he has scored 15 goals this season...

Moving on...

So can I. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you, today's supporter. God help us.

If I dont get my own way I wil scweam and scweam and SCWEAM!

Thommo makes big reveal

[maguskwt]

Nah... I can be critical with alot less words...

But FWIW... I agree with Kerry when it comes to Andy... He has taken far too long to be of any use to the team. He has done far too little in the past 12 months for me to start getting my hopes up for him. We are setting our standards very low if we feel that Andy at his current level is acceptable as our line leading striker...

Let's talk more after he has scored 15 goals this season...

Moving on...

So can I. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you, today's supporter. God help us.

Feck me  I get disparaged for being a today's supporter because I don't accept mediocrity yeah? 

I bet Kenny, Souness, Rush, Barnes, Keegan were all mediocre aren't they?



Can't make it up...

[maguskwt]

Nah... I can be critical with alot less words...

But FWIW... I agree with Kerry when it comes to Andy... He has taken far too long to be of any use to the team. He has done far too little in the past 12 months for me to start getting my hopes up for him. We are setting our standards very low if we feel that Andy at his current level is acceptable as our line leading striker...

Let's talk more after he has scored 15 goals this season...

Moving on...

So can I. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you, today's supporter. God help us.

If I dont get my own way I wil scweam and scweam and SCWEAM!

I knew you were Roy...

Welcome to the forum Roy... while you're here we will try not to make fun of hamsters...

[devaney]

Nah... I can be critical with alot less words...

But FWIW... I agree with Kerry when it comes to Andy... He has taken far too long to be of any use to the team. He has done far too little in the past 12 months for me to start getting my hopes up for him. We are setting our standards very low if we feel that Andy at his current level is acceptable as our line leading striker...

Let's talk more after he has scored 15 goals this season...

Moving on...

So can I. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you, today's supporter. God help us.

Feck me  I get disparaged for being a today's supporter because I don't accept mediocrity yeah? 

I bet Kenny, Souness, Rush, Barnes, Keegan were all mediocre aren't they?



Can't make it up...

I'm not having ago because I'm prepared to accept low standards. I'm simply making the point that you are not prepared to give the lad any credit. Tosh also had his limitations but the Toshack Keegan partnership was one of the best in Liverpool's history. Give him a bit more time. I haven't quite done a full circle with Andy but I'm delighted that he is beginning to prove me wrong!

[maguskwt]

The thing is I don't even ask for the messi's, the xavi's, the ronaldo's. I want a player who bleeds for the club. Alot on here always criticize Dirk. I'm one of the few who defends him to the hilt. Kuyt is a very limited player but he always gives his all. And the result pays off. He has scored so many important goals for us. Against Chelsea in one of the games under Rafa, the whole team were being pressured by Chelsea. Our key players like Stevie, Alonso were all pegged back. Even then you can see Kuyt working his socks off on the right and was actually giving some problems to Chelsea. I like that sort of performances from players. I don't give a if you're Fernando Torres, if your attitude on the field is not good, he can feck right off. Until recently, Carroll's attitude has been terrible. Combine that with his lack of drive and anticipation on the field, he is just someone who doesn't contribute to the team at all. Yes he has improved recently, but I wouldn't go to the extent of saying he's worlds apart from his previous self. If he has great attitude and drive on the field, and if he contributes to the team there will naturally be less criticism.

[devaney]

The thing is I don't even ask for the messi's, the xavi's, the ronaldo's. I want a player who bleeds for the club. Alot on here always criticize Dirk. I'm one of the few who defends him to the hilt. Kuyt is a very limited player but he always gives his all. And the result pays off. He has scored so many important goals for us. Against Chelsea in one of the games under Rafa, the whole team were being pressured by Chelsea. Our key players like Stevie, Alonso were all pegged back. Even then you can see Kuyt working his socks off on the right and was actually giving some problems to Chelsea. I like that sort of performances from players. I don't give a if you're Fernando Torres, if your attitude on the field is not good, he can feck right off. Until recently, Carroll's attitude has been terrible. Combine that with his lack of drive and anticipation on the field, he is just someone who doesn't contribute to the team at all. Yes he has improved recently, but I wouldn't go to the extent of saying he's worlds apart from his previous self. If he has great attitude and drive on the field, and if he contributes to the team there will naturally be less criticism.

Were totally on the same wavelength. I'm a massive fan of Dirk for his attitude on the field and his charitable work off the pitch. I have defended him constantly when others had given up on him. As long as he is at the club I wouldn't have Henderson on the pitch. I really don't know what he does. In time he maybe very good but at the moment I'm not convinced.

I hate to have a go at our players and I have been guilty of castigating Andy in the past. He seems to be gaining some well needed confidence at the moment so I'm in the Benny camp  but it's up to Andy whether I head back to Kerryland in the future! Were a fickle lot!

[jacdaniel]

He's been doing a lot better lately and hopefully he can continue that.  Even when he doesn't score he often causes defenders havoc on corners etc that lead to the likes of Agger, Skrtel scoring.

Still think we should be in the market for a prolific striker this summer though.  And we should keep Andy

[yckatbjywtbiastkamb]

The thing is I don't even ask for the messi's, the xavi's, the ronaldo's. I want a player who bleeds for the club. Alot on here always criticize Dirk. I'm one of the few who defends him to the hilt. Kuyt is a very limited player but he always gives his all. And the result pays off. He has scored so many important goals for us. Against Chelsea in one of the games under Rafa, the whole team were being pressured by Chelsea. Our key players like Stevie, Alonso were all pegged back. Even then you can see Kuyt working his socks off on the right and was actually giving some problems to Chelsea. I like that sort of performances from players. I don't give a if you're Fernando Torres, if your attitude on the field is not good, he can feck right off. Until recently, Carroll's attitude has been terrible. Combine that with his lack of drive and anticipation on the field, he is just someone who doesn't contribute to the team at all. Yes he has improved recently, but I wouldn't go to the extent of saying he's worlds apart from his previous self. If he has great attitude and drive on the field, and if he contributes to the team there will naturally be less criticism.

not every player hits the ground running, when bruce rioch signed denis bergkamp he looked terrible at first, i think it took him 6 months to score his first goal, henry was the same and gary pallister had a nightmare start to his united career as well. the game is full of examples of players who started slowly at a club but developed into excellent players.
when we signed andy carroll he had only just turned 22 that same month, people forget how young he is, and to have a £35m price tag around your neck like a millstone would be a lot to handle even for a player in the prime years of his career never mind the start of it.
on top of the price tag when he signed he had a serious thigh injury which didnt help either, it restricted him even when he was passed fit and just added `he cant run` to the `he cant play` jibes.
andy carroll is a quality player, you dont terrorise premiership defences at 21 if your not a good player, he wasnt that much older than the likes of adam morgan when he destroyed soto and skrtel up at st.james park, they couldnt handle him but they werent alone, look how he ripped villa apart or how he outjumped the arsenal keeper to record newcastles first win at the emirates in donkeys years.
sometimes you get young players with pace who burst onto the scene in a blaze of glory but players of andy`s ilk are like centre halves they take years to develop, he`s well ahead of the curve, at his age the likes of crouch was an unknown at QPR and teddy sheringham was on loan from millwall to aldershot.
andy`s game is developing all the time because he is still learning about the game but i like the mental strength he has shown, at that age with all the press, opposition fans and even a few of our fans saying he is a big flop, and the press going out of their way to take a picture of him any time he picks up a beer bottle or looks like he`s having a good time, to deal with all that and to start showing good form shows a real mental toughness.

[metalhead]

I'm glad to see him getting better every game, he is getting into right positions this time and contributing a lot to our attacking play. Let's hope he continues to do the same.

[Ola Mr Benitez]

The thing is I don't even ask for the messi's, the xavi's, the ronaldo's. I want a player who bleeds for the club. Alot on here always criticize Dirk. I'm one of the few who defends him to the hilt. Kuyt is a very limited player but he always gives his all. And the result pays off. He has scored so many important goals for us. Against Chelsea in one of the games under Rafa, the whole team were being pressured by Chelsea. Our key players like Stevie, Alonso were all pegged back. Even then you can see Kuyt working his socks off on the right and was actually giving some problems to Chelsea. I like that sort of performances from players. I don't give a if you're Fernando Torres, if your attitude on the field is not good, he can feck right off. Until recently, Carroll's attitude has been terrible. Combine that with his lack of drive and anticipation on the field, he is just someone who doesn't contribute to the team at all. Yes he has improved recently, but I wouldn't go to the extent of saying he's worlds apart from his previous self. If he has great attitude and drive on the field, and if he contributes to the team there will naturally be less criticism.

not every player hits the ground running, when bruce rioch signed denis bergkamp he looked terrible at first, i think it took him 6 months to score his first goal, henry was the same and gary pallister had a nightmare start to his united career as well. the game is full of examples of players who started slowly at a club but developed into excellent players.
when we signed andy carroll he had only just turned 22 that same month, people forget how young he is, and to have a £35m price tag around your neck like a millstone would be a lot to handle even for a player in the prime years of his career never mind the start of it.
on top of the price tag when he signed he had a serious thigh injury which didnt help either, it restricted him even when he was passed fit and just added `he cant run` to the `he cant play` jibes.
andy carroll is a quality player, you dont terrorise premiership defences at 21 if your not a good player, he wasnt that much older than the likes of adam morgan when he destroyed soto and skrtel up at st.james park, they couldnt handle him but they werent alone, look how he ripped villa apart or how he outjumped the arsenal keeper to record newcastles first win at the emirates in donkeys years.
sometimes you get young players with pace who burst onto the scene in a blaze of glory but players of andy`s ilk are like centre halves they take years to develop, he`s well ahead of the curve, at his age the likes of crouch was an unknown at QPR and teddy sheringham was on loan from millwall to aldershot.
andy`s game is developing all the time because he is still learning about the game but i like the mental strength he has shown, at that age with all the press, opposition fans and even a few of our fans saying he is a big flop, and the press going out of their way to take a picture of him any time he picks up a beer bottle or looks like he`s having a good time, to deal with all that and to start showing good form shows a real mental toughness.

well said - great post

[aCe']

I'm glad to see him getting better every game, he is getting into right positions this time and contributing a lot to our attacking play. Let's hope he continues to do the same.

Getting into the right positions is (and has been) my main criticism of Carroll since he signed. His anticipation and movement inside the box have been very poor for someone whose game depends on getting on the end of crosses. To be honest, I dont see where the criticism of his 'work rate' comes from because for me he works really hard at tracking back and chasing balls- sometimes overly so and leading to him not being in spaces you would want him to be.

Obviously with experience and age you expect him to improve his movement inside the box but for now he isnt doing enough imo. Too static too often inside the box and that in turn allows defenders to mark him more easily. His aerial prowess which is well documented is yet to be unleashed and watching most of his games so far you can see that he gets easily frustrated at referees not giving decision his way. That for me is something he needs to work on because if hes standing and not attacking the ball that makes the defenders job much easier and makes the wide man's job of picking him that much harder.

A work in progress and theres definitely some potential there but he still has a long way to go imo.

[metalhead]

I'm glad to see him getting better every game, he is getting into right positions this time and contributing a lot to our attacking play. Let's hope he continues to do the same.

Getting into the right positions is (and has been) my main criticism of Carroll since he signed. His anticipation and movement inside the box have been very poor for someone whose game depends on getting on the end of crosses. To be honest, I dont see where the criticism of his 'work rate' comes from because for me he works really hard at tracking back and chasing balls- sometimes overly so and leading to him not being in spaces you would want him to be.

Obviously with experience and age you expect him to improve his movement inside the box but for now he isnt doing enough imo. Too static too often inside the box and that in turn allows defenders to mark him more easily. His aerial prowess which is well documented is yet to be unleashed and watching most of his games so far you can see that he gets easily frustrated at referees not giving decision his way. That for me is something he needs to work on because if hes standing and not attacking the ball that makes the defenders job much easier and makes the wide man's job of picking him that much harder.

A work in progress and theres definitely some potential there but he still has a long way to go imo.

ace, at the beginning of the season Carroll was drifting a lot outside the box and playing deep, he wasn't doing enough to attack crosses or getting into goal scoring positions. However, I can see he has really improved in the past few gams in that aspect, especially how he got to the end of the Enrique cross against Brighton for Suarez to tap it in.

I agree about his work rate, a lot of fans see him as ''lazy'' that's a myth to be honest, his work rate is fantastic.