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[Thommo's perm]

yes but kenny did sanction 35 big ones on the lad, he needs Andy to not just come good but actually explode into a £35 million striker. Its quite a predicament.

What he needs, and what we all need, is Carroll and everyone else in the squad to play their part, however significant, in making LFC successful again.
No matter how much they cost...

[alwayslfc]

I think we all know that Carroll hasn't clicked yet and  I dare say it was a mistake to buy him for 35 million. Like I've said many times, we need to get someone else in, in the next window who can team up well with Suarez to bang in the goals (while we patiently allow the 35 million guy takes his time to adapt). We have to keep Suarez happy for him to stay here for the long term. Our finishing up front is the cause of dropping so many points at home and have you all noticed all our wins this season have not yet been more than a 2 goal margin?

I am curious on who we will sign in January.

[Kerry07]

Shocking player.

What Kenny did last January was akin to me walking into a shop and giving £5 for a can of coca cola.

I recall an Italian player called Lentini who cost around 13 million (moved from Torino to Milan in the early 1990s) and he was a disaster.

The difference between Lentini and Carroll however is Lentini had pedigree, he looked majestic for Torino. Carroll has zero pedigree. We signed a player who had played half a season in the Premiership, getting the odd flick on here and there for long ball Newcastle, and then forked out a whopping 35 miliion. A player who 18 months earlier was on the market for £2 million. The price Kenny paid for Carroll will go down as the biggest financial transfer disaster ever. The major problem is we cannot offload him without taking a 20 million pound hit. The only possible buyers previously would have been Spurs, but they no longer buy garbage these days. The next team down is the likes of Stoke, Villa, Sunderland and his old club Newcastle... thats the 4 buyers, and none of them would breach 15 million (that also is an inflated fee).

Last season at Fulham we had Maxi, Suarez, Kuyt.. interchanging and looking fluid. Same against Chelsea (Bellamy added). Then Kenny stubbornly puts in Carroll and we look awful. This awkward, slow, cumbersome donkey single handedly ruining our forward play.

Kenny made a blunder signing him, but he is compounding that blunder by persisting with him. Sooner we get rid and take the financial hit the better.

[Calum]

Andy Carroll isn't worth a million, never mind 35 million. Looks utterly hopeless and definitely not good enough to start games. Ship him back to Newcastle in January and take a huge loss in the transfer fee. Sometimes, big signings just don't work out.

[dundreamin]

If kenny carnt get anything out of him,nobody can. Let's be totally honest he's fooking useless. And if you don't believe me then I assure you within 12 months he will be gone. AND YOU CAN QUOTE ME ON THAT

[Kerry07]

The main problem among the fanbase is the reluctance to hammer Kenny over this shocking transfer.... its Kenny.. the King... our greatest ever player... many who witnessed what he did for the club cant bring themselves to be honest on this. Its the emperors new clothes syndrome...every man and his dog knows Carroll is a terrible player, zero pedigree.. but... its a Kenny Dalglish signing so the fans bite their lip. Imagine Hodgson had signed this donkey...the guy would be getting slaughtered.

When people look at Torres right now, they see a man off form.. they know he CAN do it (pedigree shows it).. but hes not doing it (personally i think he has mental issues and he has look/sounded depressed for a good 18 months). The difference when people look at Carroll is...they see a man who has never done it, theres no pedigree to fall back on, someone who did zilch in the Premiership prior to a season in the second division, and then had 5 months winning flick ons and suddenly... BAM... 35 million thankyou very much. The customary youtube highlight reel, which can make a player like Emile Heskey look like Christian Vieri, is of zero value. Hes a cumbersome, awkward, donkey type with awful control who doesnt fit in with a top level team that aspires to play slick, fluid, attacking football... hes a nightmare teammate for technical players. I'd love to hear Suarezs private thoughts on the guy. Total bemusement no doubt.

After 5 years of Keegan building Newcastle between 1992 to Januray 1997, Kenny then came in put the nail in their progress when he spent big (at the time) in signing 3 strilkers: Andreas Andersson, Jon Dahl Tomasson, Stephane Guivarc'h.. in his 18 months at the club (quite a drop from Ferdinand, Beardsley and co.). I mention this as many of our fans have rose tinited glasses when it comes to the King. His manmanagement is exceptional, his love for the club unquestionable, and he has signed quality in Suarez, Enrique.. and possibly Adam. But the 70 million forked out for Carroll... and to a lesser extent Downing and Henderson... has seen us worse this season than the games we impressed toward the end of last season (Fulham especially). Contrast Spurs to us.. they spent NOTHING on Adebayor.. a loanee who's talent dwarfs Carroll.. they look slick/fluid when they attack. They win their game in hand (vs Everton) they go 10 points clear of us and theres no catching that. Over 100 million spent... 70 million of that wasted...and this season is almost a write off. Kenny will get another season after this one but if he doesnt rectify this transfer blunder (and that means shifting Carroll out pronto) then his tenure will end with us the same as it did with Newcastle.

[7_Kewell]

our summer signings have, to be honest, poor. What makes it all the worse is, after the years of no money, we've wasted 10s of million on dross.

I've said it in another thread, but if we finish outside of the top 4 then Kenny goes. Simple.

[yckatbjywtbiastkamb]

The main problem among the fanbase is the reluctance to hammer Kenny over this shocking transfer.... its Kenny.. the King... our greatest ever player... many who witnessed what he did for the club cant bring themselves to be honest on this. Its the emperors new clothes syndrome...every man and his dog knows Carroll is a terrible player, zero pedigree.. but... its a Kenny Dalglish signing so the fans bite their lip. Imagine Hodgson had signed this donkey...the guy would be getting slaughtered.

After 5 years of Keegan building Newcastle between 1992 to Januray 1997, Kenny then came in put the nail in their progress when he spent big (at the time) in signing 3 strilkers: Andreas Andersson, Jon Dahl Tomasson, Stephane Guivarc'h.. in his 18 months at the club (quite a drop from Ferdinand, Beardsley and co.). I mention this as many of our fans have rose tinited glasses when it comes to the King. His manmanagement is exceptional, his love for the club unquestionable, and he has signed quality in Suarez, Enrique.. and possibly Adam. But the 70 million forked out for Carroll... and to a lesser extent Downing and Henderson... has seen us worse this season than the games we impressed toward the end of last season (Fulham especially). Contrast Spurs to us.. they spent NOTHING on Adebayor.. a loanee who's talent dwarfs Carroll.. they look slick/fluid when they attack. They win their game in hand (vs Everton) they go 10 points clear of us and theres no catching that. Over 100 million spent... 70 million of that wasted...and this season is almost a write off. Kenny will get another season after this one but if he doesnt rectify this transfer blunder (and that means shifting Carroll out pronto) then his tenure will end with us the same as it did with Newcastle.

what a load of baloney, why just pick out kenny`s record at newcastle? why not mention him signing alan shearer when no one had hardly heard of him or why not mention his first stint at the club where he was literally seconds away from winning 4 titles in 5 seasons not to mention appearing in 3 F.A cup finals (when they meant something) with a side that played some of the best football ever seen in english football.
even at newcastle he took them to their first F.A cup final in a generation, finished second in the league and they even beat barcelona in the champions league.
re carroll who`s to say he wont come good? john toshack was signed for quite a big fee and he started out quite slow but he developed into one half of the striking partnership that took this club to the top of english and european football.

[yckatbjywtbiastkamb]

our summer signings have, to be honest, poor. What makes it all the worse is, after the years of no money, we've wasted 10s of million on dross.

I've said it in another thread, but if we finish outside of the top 4 then Kenny goes. Simple.

f##king hell i thought RAWK was bad

[Kharhaz]

what a load of baloney, why just pick out kenny`s record at newcastle? why not mention him signing alan shearer when no one had hardly heard of him or why not mention his first stint at the club where he was literally seconds away from winning 4 titles in 5 seasons not to mention appearing in 3 F.A cup finals (when they meant something) with a side that played some of the best football ever seen in english football.
even at newcastle he took them to their first F.A cup final in a generation, finished second in the league and they even beat barcelona in the champions league.
re carroll who`s to say he wont come good? john toshack was signed for quite a big fee and he started out quite slow but he developed into one half of the striking partnership that took this club to the top of english and european football.

I wouldn't waste your breath mate, when a scapegoat is found, the teeth are dug in. Although I don't agree with Alan Shearer. When he was at Southampton I think he generated a lot of interest, Kenny being manager, and Jack Walker having a lot of money helped to secure him there.

[Kopite-Jud]

We are playing the best football ive seen us play in years. Carroll isnt good enough at the min.

To me he lacks confidence.

Talk of Kenny getting sacked if we dont get top four disgusts me!

Our signings have been class, been playing together for 4 months and have been dominating games (just unlucky to drop points against teams we have battered, i.e Sunderland, Stoke, United, City, Fulham Norwich and Swansea).

Yes signing Andy was a rush of blood or a panic buy if you like, BUT Kenny HAD to react after we lost Torres

[killerp]

The main problem among the fanbase is the reluctance to hammer Kenny over this shocking transfer.... its Kenny.. the King... our greatest ever player... many who witnessed what he did for the club cant bring themselves to be honest on this.

Well Kenny will get no special treatment from me if he signs another round of flops in January.

[yckatbjywtbiastkamb]

what a load of baloney, why just pick out kenny`s record at newcastle? why not mention him signing alan shearer when no one had hardly heard of him or why not mention his first stint at the club where he was literally seconds away from winning 4 titles in 5 seasons not to mention appearing in 3 F.A cup finals (when they meant something) with a side that played some of the best football ever seen in english football.
even at newcastle he took them to their first F.A cup final in a generation, finished second in the league and they even beat barcelona in the champions league.
re carroll who`s to say he wont come good? john toshack was signed for quite a big fee and he started out quite slow but he developed into one half of the striking partnership that took this club to the top of english and european football.

I wouldn't waste your breath mate, when a scapegoat is found, the teeth are dug in. Although I don't agree with Alan Shearer. When he was at Southampton I think he generated a lot of interest, Kenny being manager, and Jack Walker having a lot of money helped to secure him there.

shearer scored 3 goals in his first season at southampton, didnt score in his second season, in the next season (the 89-90 season) he scored 3 goals in 26 appearances and the following season he scored 4 goals in 36 appearances.
his next season was his last before he moved to blackburn and he scored 13 in 41 appearances.
he had done well with the england u21`s but when dalglish payed out big money for him i remember people at the time thinking kenny had lost the plot.

[yckatbjywtbiastkamb]

The main problem among the fanbase is the reluctance to hammer Kenny over this shocking transfer.... its Kenny.. the King... our greatest ever player... many who witnessed what he did for the club cant bring themselves to be honest on this.

Well Kenny will get no special treatment from me if he signs another round of flops in January.

so you would have got rid of shankly after he bought the likes of tony hately and alun evans?

[Kerry07]

The main problem among the fanbase is the reluctance to hammer Kenny over this shocking transfer.... its Kenny.. the King... our greatest ever player... many who witnessed what he did for the club cant bring themselves to be honest on this. Its the emperors new clothes syndrome...every man and his dog knows Carroll is a terrible player, zero pedigree.. but... its a Kenny Dalglish signing so the fans bite their lip. Imagine Hodgson had signed this donkey...the guy would be getting slaughtered.

When people look at Torres right now, they see a man off form.. they know he CAN do it (pedigree shows it).. but hes not doing it (personally i think he has mental issues and he has look/sounded depressed for a good 18 months). The difference when people look at Carroll is...they see a man who has never done it, theres no pedigree to fall back on, someone who did zilch in the Premiership prior to a season in the second division, and then had 5 months winning flick ons and suddenly... BAM... 35 million thankyou very much. The customary youtube highlight reel, which can make a player like Emile Heskey look like Christian Vieri, is of zero value. Hes a cumbersome, awkward, donkey type with awful control who doesnt fit in with a top level team that aspires to play slick, fluid, attacking football... hes a nightmare teammate for technical players. I'd love to hear Suarez's private thoughts on the guy. Total bemusement no doubt.


After 5 years of Keegan building Newcastle between 1992 to Januray 1997, Kenny then came in put the nail in their progress when he spent big (at the time) in signing 3 strilkers: Andreas Andersson, Jon Dahl Tomasson, Stephane Guivarc'h.. in his 18 months at the club (quite a drop from Ferdinand, Beardsley and co.). I mention this as many of our fans have rose tinited glasses when it comes to the King. His manmanagement is exceptional, his love for the club unquestionable, and he has signed quality in Suarez, Enrique.. and possibly Adam. But the 70 million forked out for Carroll... and to a lesser extent Downing and Henderson... has seen us worse this season than the games we impressed toward the end of last season (Fulham especially). Contrast Spurs to us.. they spent NOTHING on Adebayor.. a loanee who's talent dwarfs Carroll.. they look slick/fluid when they attack. They win their game in hand (vs Everton) they go 10 points clear of us and theres no catching that. Over 100 million spent... 70 million of that wasted...and this season is almost a write off. Kenny will get another season after this one but if he doesnt rectify this transfer blunder (and that means shifting Carroll out pronto) then his tenure will end with us the same as it did with Newcastle.

what a load of baloney, why just pick out kenny`s record at newcastle? why not mention him signing alan shearer when no one had hardly heard of him or why not mention his first stint at the club where he was literally seconds away from winning 4 titles in 5 seasons not to mention appearing in 3 F.A cup finals (when they meant something) with a side that played some of the best football ever seen in english football.
even at newcastle he took them to their first F.A cup final in a generation, finished second in the league and they even beat barcelona in the champions league.
re carroll who`s to say he wont come good? john toshack was signed for quite a big fee and he started out quite slow but he developed into one half of the striking partnership that took this club to the top of english and european football.

Alan Shearer was a top top striker at Southampton. In 1991/92 he was regarded as the heir apparent to Lineker for England. Le Tissier has stated he knew he would be a top class player. And yes that was a top sigining by Kenny.... but the point im making is that Kenny can make major blunders...which might shock a few of our hardened Kenny worshippers.

You have just highlighted the problem i mentioned by bringing up what he did at Liverpool over 20 years ago... the rose tinted specs ensure Kenny gets a smooth ride not afforded to almost anyone else. He could sign that Everton carthorse Tony Hibbert and the rose tinted brigade would be thinking its a shrewd bit of business by Kenny. When you spend 35 million pound on a forward with no pedigree, you have left yourself open to ridicule. I'm fortunate in that ive been supporting Liverpool since 1991 so im not afflicted by the red tinted bias that many of our fanbase has and so can give a viewpoint that is honest.

Andy Carroll has never done it, Andy Carroll has shown nothing that he will ever do it... the gif of a horse falling over a ball is the best highlight reel i've seen that sums up Andy Carroll.