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by **Bammo** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:37 am

Ok here's my 2 cents:

Devaney: I'm not sure how you can blame anyone for wanting to be at the birth of their child. It's not like it was the CL final he was going to miss. As for using Rafa not going to his father's funeral the circumstances were vastly different. In Spain (Sabre may be able to confirm this) funerals occur the day after death. As Rafa was in Japan when his father passed away he would have been unable to get to Spain in time even if he had left immediately. That was why he stayed with the squad. I guarantee that if he could have been there he would.

Onto Xabi: He's picked in the squad to show he's still a Liverpool player and will be until RM stump up the cash. I expect Rafa to treat him no differently to normal. Partly to keep his price up and partly to wind Madrid up. If he leaves him out of the squad then RM know we want to sell and will keep the price low.

I'd happily sell Xabi now. He's an incredible player but he is replaceable. We probably won't find as good a passer but we can find a player who offers something more - be it more drive and dynamism or more attacking threat. Aquilani seems a bit injury prone but as Nanny mentioned I'd expect Rafa to have someone lined up that we don't know about.

I'd be happy if we sold Xabi for around £30m (anything over that including add-ons) and bought a replacement for £20m and then Silva/A.N. Other winger

by **devaney** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:35 pm

Bammo wrote:Ok here's my 2 cents:

Devaney: I'm not sure how you can blame anyone for wanting to be at the birth of their child. It's not like it was the CL final he was going to miss. As for using Rafa not going to his father's funeral the circumstances were vastly different. In Spain (Sabre may be able to confirm this) funerals occur the day after death. As Rafa was in Japan when his father passed away he would have been unable to get to Spain in time even if he had left immediately. That was why he stayed with the squad. I guarantee that if he could have been there he would.

Onto Xabi: He's picked in the squad to show he's still a Liverpool player and will be until RM stump up the cash. I expect Rafa to treat him no differently to normal. Partly to keep his price up and partly to wind Madrid up. If he leaves him out of the squad then RM know we want to sell and will keep the price low.

I'd happily sell Xabi now. He's an incredible player but he is replaceable. We probably won't find as good a passer but we can find a player who offers something more - be it more drive and dynamism or more attacking threat. Aquilani seems a bit injury prone but as Nanny mentioned I'd expect Rafa to have someone lined up that we don't know about.

I'd be happy if we sold Xabi for around £30m (anything over that including add-ons) and bought a replacement for £20m and then Silva/A.N. Other winger

No Xabi chose to miss a key game against Inter Milan when we were trying to get to the final of the CL. I know we were 2-0 up but Rafa clearly felt that Xabi might be needed if we ran into problems. Xabi put his family first. I can understand that but it simply demonstrated Xabi's questionable priorities. He is paid a massive amount of money and the fans attitude would have been very different toward Xabi if we had lost 3-0 in Milan!

As for Rafa,yes he was stuck in Japan but he could quite easily have jumped on the first available flight to Madrid to be with his family at such a difficult time. That is what most of us would have done. Instead he chose to stay with his team and try and win a fairly meaningless cup. I not saying that was the right thing to do but it just demonstrates his loyalty to LFC.

I think we agree on the other points. Just not sure that Xabi can be called an incredible player. Very,very good yes but not incredible.

by **Bammo** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:41 pm

Xabi wasn't guaranteed to start at that point though. Would it have been fair to expect him to miss the birth of his child, a once in a lifetime thing, to potentially sit on the bench for 90 mins?

I always got the impression that it wasn't Xabi staying behind that upset Rafa but his uncertainty over it. As we know Rafa likes to be prepared :laugh:

so that would be affected if Xabi was still deciding. He should have just said to Rafa he definitely wouldn't be playing. Other first team players have done the same for us recently with no problems.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see if he plays tonight. On the one hand I want him to so that everyone knows he's still a Liverpool player. On the other I don't want him getting injured if he's definitely going!

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:42 pm

madrid-and-pool-meet-over-alonso-deal

by **LFC2007** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:08 pm

bigmick wrote:In fairness I think it's asking a lot for any poster to check back from where he's reading it to get to the actual, intitial source. If you read something on the Times website, do you have to check whereabouts the reporter got the info from? He was asked for a source and he put it up, it was ESPN or something wasn't it? In all honesty, if their sports journalist has read a report on a slimy newspapers website and puts it up on their site, it's not the fella who quotes hims fault is it?

'...according to British tabloid the s*n'

Indications of the source don't come much clearer than that.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:16 pm

devaney wrote:
s@int wrote:I had another go later on mate, but with my comp crashing I think I made a mistake somewhere.

These are what I got anyway :-

With Alonso won 8 drew 5 lost 2 (only 15 games and I thought he played 19 unless they were sub appearances?

without Alonso won 13 drew 8 lost 2

Thanks Saint - I'll stick with my idea that we could do better with a more rounded player!

And I'll stick with my idea that you are an imbecile.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:17 pm

mistyred wrote:I want Alonso gone now, i'm sorry yeh he's a good player and all but there
is better players in the world for sure.

I would take the money and run, our midfield just doesnt produce enough goals, i want us
to rip the oppo apart this season, take the chances presented and not waste them.

If Torres and Gerrard are not fit who have we got to step up to the plate? no friggin body, with
the money from Alonso we could have that extra cutting edge that would take us all the way.

Which team scored the most goals last season?

by **dawson99** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:24 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
mistyred wrote:I want Alonso gone now, i'm sorry yeh he's a good player and all but there
is better players in the world for sure.

I would take the money and run, our midfield just doesnt produce enough goals, i want us
to rip the oppo apart this season, take the chances presented and not waste them.

If Torres and Gerrard are not fit who have we got to step up to the plate? no friggin body, with
the money from Alonso we could have that extra cutting edge that would take us all the way.

Which team scored the most goals last season?

our esteemed landoness has a point.. nothing wrong with the midfield

by **aCe'** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:26 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
bigmick wrote:In fairness I think it's asking a lot for any poster to check back from where he's reading it to get to the actual, intitial source. If you read something on the Times website, do you have to check whereabouts the reporter got the info from? He was asked for a source and he put it up, it was ESPN or something wasn't it? In all honesty, if their sports journalist has read a report on a slimy newspapers website and puts it up on their site, it's not the fella who quotes hims fault is it?

'...according to British tabloid the s*n'

Indications of the source don't come much clearer than that.

ffs are you still going on about this ? i didnt even bother checking for a link for the story till Woof asked for one.. i'd heard it on the news and merely mentioned it in a post before being asked about the source...

by **Toffeehater** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:14 pm

Some of the reactions here are priceless , do some us support Liverpool or do we support alonso? I know which one i do . We've existed before him and we will after .

by **LFC2007** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:17 pm

i didnt even bother checking for a link for the story till Woof asked for one.. i'd heard it on the news and merely mentioned it in a post before being asked about the source...

...and I was 'merely' highlighting that it might be worth considering where you pull shit from before linking to it.

by **JC_81** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:24 pm

It doesn't appear to be on their website yet, but was watching SSN there and they're reporting that the deal for Alonso to Madrid is close, around 30 million, and could go through in the next 24 hours.

Not exactly groundbreaking stuff, but hopefully there will be an announcement soon. We need to get closure on this and move on.

by **JoeTerp** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:50 pm

some posts from February:

aCe' wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:
aCe' wrote:if we can somehow manage to get rid of Mascherano and bring in an attacking midfielder or a second striker or whatever you want to call it to play 'the gerrard role' for around the same amount of money then i think that would be a good piece of business... would be even better if its a player with alot of creativity but could also play through the middle alongside Alonso... A fabregas, Pirlo, Xavi type of player..

I think the 2 in the middle (Alonso, Mascherano) as a pairing are a part of our attacking problems..

Nothing urgent about what im saying up here but if it doesnt cost us anything then i well and truely think that it could very well improve the look of the side when going forward

Diego. Lucho Gonzalez? Aquilani?

Aquilani is a good shout.. not so sure about Lucho (more of a hard worker than anything if im not wrong) and not a big fan of Diego either (plays this funny role that i think is better suited for sides with many flair players with great movement off the ball)...

But u get where im going at i guess.. Perotta, Scholes, Carrick sort of player...

got a great shout but not sure its much of a long term thing... read somwhere that Seedorf is interested in playing in England at some point... surely he'd be a great addition and would cost peanuts.... quality quality player

GYBS wrote:Perrota is a decent shout - Aquilani seems to flatter to decieve - decent against small teams but on the big tage just seems to fade away in the background . Lucho is decent but as you say more of a runner and seedorf while great is 32 nearly 33 now .

by **Sabre** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:57 pm

I think the 2 in the middle (Alonso, Mascherano) as a pairing are a part of our attacking problems..

Liverpool are such a big club, that even their "attacking problems" are worth 30M each. :eyebrow

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