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Postby tubby » Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:45 pm

I think we should try for Hamsik. Maybe we can use Dossena to lower his price.
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Postby account deleted by request » Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:53 pm

JoeTerp wrote:aquilani's reported price is 20 million Euros. Silva i think would cost at least 25 million pounds

Didn't Rafa walk away when we offered £15million and Valencia said they wanted £20m Joe........ admittedly I may have dreamt it  :D

This is all I could find to back me up  :-

Benitez spoke with representatives of his former employers in January about Silva’s availability and it is believed a fee in the region of £15 million was provisionally agreed before one Valencia director went public about the deal in an attempt to smoke out interest from Chelsea, Inter Milan and Barcelona.

The Liverpool manager immediately withdrew his offer, privately admitting the Anfield side cannot compete financially with Europe’s footballing gentry, and has since insisted in public that he is examining other targets.


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Postby Redman in wales » Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:19 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
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JoeTerp wrote:choices a and b are comparing apples to bad apples.

although scott parker would (hopefully) cost less than Aquilani, the difference between their prices are nowhere near enough to afford villa or silva. so you either need to add in a player of much higher quality to replace N'gog in option b or put in a player of less quality in option a instead of the valencia boys

I would reckon on Silva costing about £20million and Parker "supposedly " £4million Joe.

Aquilani about £20million?

I just threw Villa in to get Nanny's hopes up  :D

Do you know what though Saint im not to fussed about Villa , yes id be made up if we signed him , But id prefer Silva, tbh Winger , or when Nessasary if Stevie does ever drop back in the middle now an again , Silva can slot in there , best of both worlds really

thats my thoughts on the matter as well  :nod

villa would be good, but silva would be better... imo
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Postby bigmick » Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:23 pm

If it is the case that this Aquilani bloke is to be the chosen midfielder, doesn't his injury record come into play and if it does what exactly is it? Someone posted up about 49 mpages ago how many games he has played over the last five seasons and while it's not quite Phillip Deganesque, his record is certainly in Fabio Aurelio territory.

Is there any definitive info on how likely he is to play a number of matches consectuviely in the most physical league in the World? People who are decrying the likes of Scotty Parker and Lee Cattermole, and have previously laughed off the likes of Gareth Barry ought to consider such factors because they are important. All players get unlucky with injuries from time toi time, but some more than others. There was a reason why we got Deggen and Aurelio on free's, just as there was a reason Harry Kewell fecked off on a free.

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Postby Julio-0 » Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:48 pm

bigmick wrote:If it is the case that this Aquilani bloke is to be the chosen midfielder, doesn't his injury record come into play and if it does what exactly is it? Someone posted up about 49 mpages ago how many games he has played over the last five seasons and while it's not quite Phillip Deganesque, his record is certainly in Fabio Aurelio territory.

Is there any definitive info on how likely he is to play a number of matches consectuviely in the most physical league in the World? People who are decrying the likes of Scotty Parker and Lee Cattermole, and have previously laughed off the likes of Gareth Barry ought to consider such factors because they are important. All players get unlucky with injuries from time toi time, but some more than others. There was a reason why we got Deggen and Aurelio on free's, just as there was a reason Harry Kewell fecked off on a free.

We don't need another sicknote (sung to the tune of Tina Turners "we don't need another Hero").

True. Buy Aquilani is an error, otherwise why the roma fans are celebrating for this transfer?  :grinning:
Instead Silva :bowdown

For Lavezzi, Napoli wants 20 milion Euros  :)
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Postby JoeTerp » Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:10 pm

Julio-0 wrote:
bigmick wrote:If it is the case that this Aquilani bloke is to be the chosen midfielder, doesn't his injury record come into play and if it does what exactly is it? Someone posted up about 49 mpages ago how many games he has played over the last five seasons and while it's not quite Phillip Deganesque, his record is certainly in Fabio Aurelio territory.

Is there any definitive info on how likely he is to play a number of matches consectuviely in the most physical league in the World? People who are decrying the likes of Scotty Parker and Lee Cattermole, and have previously laughed off the likes of Gareth Barry ought to consider such factors because they are important. All players get unlucky with injuries from time toi time, but some more than others. There was a reason why we got Deggen and Aurelio on free's, just as there was a reason Harry Kewell fecked off on a free.

We don't need another sicknote (sung to the tune of Tina Turners "we don't need another Hero").

True. Buy Aquilani is an error, otherwise why the roma fans are celebrating for this transfer?  :grinning:
Instead Silva :bowdown

For Lavezzi, Napoli wants 20 milion Euros  :)

especially because we are about to sell them the Doss, Lavezzi at 20 M Euros is a price to bite their hands off.  People are hyping up Hamsik a lot but he just seems above average with potential for me. He plays in a weird position at Napoli, or at least when I watch him he is this sort of box-to-box, attacking, left-sided, central midfielder  and some of the rumored prices of over 20 are over the odds imo.  Lavezzi's ceiling imo, is much much higher, he could play in all 4 of our attacking roles, and has the pace to blow by anybody in any league.
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Postby LiverpoolMadman » Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:57 am

Julio-0 wrote:
bigmick wrote:If it is the case that this Aquilani bloke is to be the chosen midfielder, doesn't his injury record come into play and if it does what exactly is it? Someone posted up about 49 mpages ago how many games he has played over the last five seasons and while it's not quite Phillip Deganesque, his record is certainly in Fabio Aurelio territory.

Is there any definitive info on how likely he is to play a number of matches consectuviely in the most physical league in the World? People who are decrying the likes of Scotty Parker and Lee Cattermole, and have previously laughed off the likes of Gareth Barry ought to consider such factors because they are important. All players get unlucky with injuries from time toi time, but some more than others. There was a reason why we got Deggen and Aurelio on free's, just as there was a reason Harry Kewell fecked off on a free.

We don't need another sicknote (sung to the tune of Tina Turners "we don't need another Hero").

True. Buy Aquilani is an error, otherwise why the roma fans are celebrating for this transfer?  :grinning:
Instead Silva :bowdown

For Lavezzi, Napoli wants 20 milion Euros  :)

I agree it's an error ... But Maybe who know the 2 FOCKERS have already told Rafa, sell Alonso get the 30M , buy Aquilani below 20M and the rest of the money goes to pay the loan ...
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Postby LFC2007 » Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:59 am

aCe' wrote:
red37 wrote:
aCe' wrote:
red37 wrote:
aCe' wrote:heavily linked to Villa today...

Link? Source? -

I sincerely hope you do not refer to the one put up on the top of the BBC Sports  'gossip section'  :glare:




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its all over the place im sure if you do a google search you'll find other links aswell... was on ESPN earlier but i still dont think we'd be able to afford him...

Yes, and who is 'generating' these reports?  Thats right - the s*n.

whats your point Sherlock ? :suspect:

Check the source and make sure it doesn't come from the s*n, is the short answer.
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Postby bigmick » Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:09 am

In fairness I think it's asking a lot for any poster to check back from where he's reading it to get to the actual, intitial source. If you read something on the Times website, do you have to check whereabouts the reporter got the info from? He was asked for a source and he put it up, it was ESPN or something wasn't it? In all honesty, if their sports journalist has read a report on a slimy newspapers website and puts it up on their site, it's not the fella who quotes hims fault is it?
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Postby maguskwt » Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:10 am

so... is he gone yet?


I have a feeling Alonso will stay...

in the end all he wanted was attention... for rafa to say he's a great player...  :D
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Postby Thewaykokid » Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:20 am

Xabi Alonso Named In Liverpool Squad For Espanyol Friendly - Report

The midfielder's proposed return to La Liga hangs in the balance as he prepared to run out in Catalunya...
2 Aug 2009 06:18:56


Liverpool have named Xabi Alonso in the matchday squad for Sunday's friendly fixture against Espanyol, according to the News of the World.

The Basque playmaker is presently teetering on the brink of a move to Real Madrid, with some sources claiming that he has already handed in a written transfer request to the Reds.

And while recent reports suggest that a deal of around €33 million is in the offing, Rafael Benitez has made it clear throughout the summer that he wants to keep of hold of the man he bought from Real Sociedad in 2004.

So for now, at least, Alonso will continue pre-season preparations with Liverpool as they help christen the Estadi Cornella-El Prat, Espanyol's new home

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Postby Julio-0 » Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:25 am

JoeTerp wrote:
Julio-0 wrote:
bigmick wrote:If it is the case that this Aquilani bloke is to be the chosen midfielder, doesn't his injury record come into play and if it does what exactly is it? Someone posted up about 49 mpages ago how many games he has played over the last five seasons and while it's not quite Phillip Deganesque, his record is certainly in Fabio Aurelio territory.

Is there any definitive info on how likely he is to play a number of matches consectuviely in the most physical league in the World? People who are decrying the likes of Scotty Parker and Lee Cattermole, and have previously laughed off the likes of Gareth Barry ought to consider such factors because they are important. All players get unlucky with injuries from time toi time, but some more than others. There was a reason why we got Deggen and Aurelio on free's, just as there was a reason Harry Kewell fecked off on a free.

We don't need another sicknote (sung to the tune of Tina Turners "we don't need another Hero").

True. Buy Aquilani is an error, otherwise why the roma fans are celebrating for this transfer?  :grinning:
Instead Silva :bowdown

For Lavezzi, Napoli wants 20 milion Euros  :)

especially because we are about to sell them the Doss, Lavezzi at 20 M Euros is a price to bite their hands off.  People are hyping up Hamsik a lot but he just seems above average with potential for me. He plays in a weird position at Napoli, or at least when I watch him he is this sort of box-to-box, attacking, left-sided, central midfielder  and some of the rumored prices of over 20 are over the odds imo.  Lavezzi's ceiling imo, is much much higher, he could play in all 4 of our attacking roles, and has the pace to blow by anybody in any league.

Yes, he is a great player but his only problem is the "costance" ( is right costance? :D ). He played very well the first 19 games (matches?) and in january we offered 23 milions+ Cruz for him but Napoli refused.
Then he played very bad in the rest of season and his price came down. This is the best moment to buy him.

!LiverpoolMadman! can you explain me what are fockers? sorry :(
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Postby JoeTerp » Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:36 am

consistency is the word you are looking for I believe.

constance is something very different in English  (although I have heard of the Great Schism, the Council of Constance did not immediately remind me of it.

"fockers" is a way to avoid having :censored: appear on the screen.  change the 'o' to a 'u'   fu.   _ckers
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Postby Julio-0 » Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:40 am

:D  thanks
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Postby devaney » Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:34 am

aCe' wrote:
devaney wrote:
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kopite_1232002 wrote:I'd give them a deadline and a figure that we would accept. I'd tell xabi what's going on and if they don't come up trumps then he stays. Simple

it's a world cup year so xabi is gonna be playing his heart out anyway for that and even if it wasn't I wudnt have xabi down as a sulking type.

We could keep hold of him has a quailty year has a good world cup and he still has 2 years left on his contract were talking big big money then ... We don't need to sell. IF they don't meet are valuation so what keep him. He will still give 100%

Well said

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Excellent post.

We had too many draws in 2007/8 and 2008/9 and that was our downfall.
Alonso missed a lot of games in 2007/8 - does anybody know the results record for the matches he missed?

I am a fan of Xabi's 2008/9 stand out season but not some of his earlier performances. He plays wonderful precision passes and reads the game brilliantly. His major problem is that he scores very few goals and has very few assists to his name. I know that is not necessarily his game
but could we get a more rounded player that actually puts the ball in the back of the net. Is that a lot to ask of a high valued midfield player?

thing is, not many midfielders contribute much in terms of goals and assists anyways.... the likes of Carrick, Essien, Ballack (new role at Chelsea), Scholes, Iniesta, Pirlo... all have similar stats in those departments to Alonso's...
the problems we have with smaller sides are mainly due to our lack of quality down the flanks... THIS IS NOT A DIG AT KUYT.... but if you take the English league for example... you look at the sides that have won the league in the last 4 or 5 years and you'll see that the difference between the attacking talents in those sides and what we have at Liverpool now is clear..

ManUtd:
had Carrick who played a similar role to Alonsos but again he didnt contribute much in terms of goals or assists.. most of their attacking threat came from them having Ronaldo controlling the game down the flanks with Rooney, Berbatov/Teves providing the quality through the middle.. What Ronaldo does is more than just scoring goals and providing assists... he receives the ball and commands the pattern of play.. with him out of their side, the likes of Carrick, Valencia, Park and Berbatov are going to have to step up big time for them to win anything next season..

Chelsea:
played a more direct style with Drogba being the focal point of their attack... down the flanks they had Robben and J.Cole providing the quality... Lampard providing further attacking quality down the middle... take Robben and Cole out of the side and replace them with good but not top class player in their positions and they miss out on the title for a few years.. good side they are, yes.. but not good enough to win the league...


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Im not saying its unrealistic suggesting that a 'better rounded' player would offer us more in terms of us being an attacking threat, but to me, its unrealistic expecting such a change to be the solution to our attacking struggles against smaller sides... Aquilanis a good player and im sure he'll add to our attacking play a fair bit, but will it be enough to turn most of the draws into wins? im not so sure...

Ace - come on they don't all have similar stats to Xabi - what are you looking at? - just look at Iniesta stats for example http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=17566&cc=5739

Saint - Thanks for trying - as you say it doesn't look that inspiring for those 10 games and I have my suspicions as to whether or not it gets much better overall. I would take £30m. Xabi is very replaceable and possibly with a more marketable and rounded player.As much as I like him, he just hasn't been consistent enough over the five years he has been at Liverpool. Would also seriously question his loyalty to Liverpool. Throwing his dummy out of the pram with Rafa because he put his first born before the club and then became the subject of a transfer farce last year says a lot about the man. Rafa missed his own fathers funeral to put the club first! At the age of 22 Xabi was earning £4000 a week at Real Sociedad and was nearly going to Southampton on £12000 a week before Rafa stepped in. Xabi got the kick up the backside he rightly deserved at the end of 2007/8 and had a very good 2008/9 possibly.

Got mixed feelings about Xabi - he's a bit like the curate's egg!
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