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by **Reg** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:13 pm

aCe' wrote:B. in which case we wouldnt have the time to bring in a player who would slot in and do a job for us...

Face facts - we've passed that point already. First game is against Spurs and we face the prospect of no Xabi and no replacement - not good.

I can see this rolling over to the january transfer window myself. I hope.

by **heimdall** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:40 pm

Reg wrote:
aCe' wrote:B. in which case we wouldnt have the time to bring in a player who would slot in and do a job for us...

Face facts - we've passed that point already. First game is against Spurs and we face the prospect of no Xabi and no replacement - not good.

I can see this rolling over to the january transfer window myself. I hope.

How do you know we don't already have a deal in place and are just waiting for the money? I expect the transfer to be ocmpleted on monday for £30 million and our target to be signed by the end of the week.

by **tubby** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:43 pm

I hope you are right heimdall. It could be a real blow if we end up losing him and not bring in anyone before the start of the season.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:44 pm

heimdall wrote:
Reg wrote:
aCe' wrote:B. in which case we wouldnt have the time to bring in a player who would slot in and do a job for us...

Face facts - we've passed that point already. First game is against Spurs and we face the prospect of no Xabi and no replacement - not good.

I can see this rolling over to the january transfer window myself. I hope.

How do you know we don't already have a deal in place and are just waiting for the money? I expect the transfer to be ocmpleted on monday for £30 million and our target to be signed by the end of the week.

Now you decide to become an optimist ?

by **Reg** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:55 pm

heimdall wrote:
Reg wrote:
aCe' wrote:B. in which case we wouldnt have the time to bring in a player who would slot in and do a job for us...

Face facts - we've passed that point already. First game is against Spurs and we face the prospect of no Xabi and no replacement - not good.

I can see this rolling over to the january transfer window myself. I hope.

How do you know we don't already have a deal in place and are just waiting for the money? I expect the transfer to be ocmpleted on monday for £30 million and our target to be signed by the end of the week.

Hem, whoever it is needs time to train with the squad and get used to the patterns and strategy, sure we can buy someone tomorrow but they wont be at their best for 2-3 months. Villa gets off the plane at Speke would still need time to get upto speed in the premiership as well. I dont like it, it not been handled well.

by **aCe'** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:00 pm

Sabre wrote:A doesn't concern me, I have enough trust on the professionality of this player, and if players like Villa and Ribery have backtracked and now are ready to fight for their current clubs, I expect nothing else from Alonso. Plus it's a world cup year and he wants to do a good season.

With still 3 years of contract, a world cup next summer, and the possibility of Spain doing a good job in that competition, that might mean that we still could win big bucks with Alonso next summer.

Your B point is a good one to discuss. Yes, there's that risk, and Real Madrid knows that time, in this battle, is an ally for them. But despite being a worry and something to think about, I disagree your bottomline

Bottom line is, anything thats going to happen needs to be sorted out soon...

This is what I disagree. Had we applied that philosophy last season, we could have made Alonso transferable and yield to one of the offers of Arsenal or Juventus. Someone, decided not to sell, and we could imagine that Alonso wasn't very happy with all the saga, like this season.

Bottomline, despite your B point is a decent one, I think that the sorted out soon philosophy isn't good, in the contrary, I preffer the patient and stubborn approach. No one lets their best players for reasonable price these days.

As a side note, I understand the mates who say that a player that is not too committed shouldn't play with us, but in this transfer thingies you have to look at it from the business perspective. Which is what Purslow seems to be doing.

see but all you're saying here brings us back to my initial point.. which is the possibility of all this 'biting us on tha a$s'...

we can hold on and not be taken for ransom over the deal.. and eventually get the 40mill we're asking for... but even if that happens, it could turn out to be a move that does our title chances more harm thn good for next season... what are we gonna do with the money we get if its too late to buy anyone decent with it ? what if Aquilani (as being reported) is our main target and we get the 40mill offer on transfer deadline day and he refuses to leave Roma ?

atleast if we get the deal sorted out now, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, we'd know whos available to us and who isnt... the whole Alonso thing from last season just happened to work in our favor... eventually he stayed and everything turned out okay, we cant tell for certain that a) hes gonna stay again or b) we're not going to get an offer late on that matches our valuation ...

If i was Real Madrid i'd let this drag on as far as i can.. as things stand they have a standout squad with plenty of player who already play in Alonsos position who are more than good enough to be starting for them.. they -however- want that extra little bit Alonso would provide... if they can get it for a price theyd be willing to pay theyll do it.. if not they wont... they still need to sell quite a few players and god knows how long that will take... might be the case that they are willing to pay the 40mill if they generate X million from transfers and theyr just waiting for that to happen... what if it does on transfer deadline day ?! then what ?!

by **tubby** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:07 pm

I thought we gave them 48 hours to come up with the deal? This is BS.

by **Reg** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:18 pm

Dont hold your breath Bav.

by **kopite_1232002** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:48 pm

I'd give them a deadline and a figure that we would accept. I'd tell xabi what's going on and if they don't come up trumps then he stays. Simple

it's a world cup year so xabi is gonna be playing his heart out anyway for that and even if it wasn't I wudnt have xabi down as a sulking type.

We could keep hold of him has a quailty year has a good world cup and he still has 2 years left on his contract were talking big big money then ... We don't need to sell. IF they don't meet are valuation so what keep him. He will still give 100%

by **roberto green** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:52 pm

kopite_1232002 wrote:I'd give them a deadline and a figure that we would accept. I'd tell xabi what's going on and if they don't come up trumps then he stays. Simple

it's a world cup year so xabi is gonna be playing his heart out anyway for that and even if it wasn't I wudnt have xabi down as a sulking type.

We could keep hold of him has a quailty year has a good world cup and he still has 2 years left on his contract were talking big big money then ... We don't need to sell. IF they don't meet are valuation so what keep him. He will still give 100%

Well said

by **Penguins** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:54 pm

From Marca:

"Nobody knows how it will end, but the movement continues. According to published newspaper MARCA has played the past Liverpool has once again put the price of the player at 40 million euros: 35 fixed and 5 goals.
That is to pose a further obstacle to the arrival of the San Sebastian Bernabéu, Real Madrid because there is no need to raise 25 million euros. The figure could be lowered in the event that Rafa Benitez agreed to include a Madrid player in the operation, which seems unlikely.
Real Madrid's offer for the midfielder from San Sebastian is 25 million euros
Nevertheless, negotiations between Madrid and Pool unabated. This is despite the fact that the club believed that the white -27 good offer for 3 million more targets, made more than a month has already expired. Chamartín And there are no re-match in any case.
Nevertheless, it is believed that in the current market situation, the latest offering white, 25 million, is more than adequate. "It's a good proposal pensadlo well," insists the Liverpool to Madrid with an almost encastillado still in its original position since the arrival of Christian Purslow.
There is still a month to the close of the market. Long before many days to continue negotiations. Liverpool also has almost tied to Aquilani, which is interpreted as a good sign for Madrid. At Real Madrid it is believed that in this case, time still playing in their favor."

I hate RM with a vengeance.They are so arrogant it's staggering. They plainly refuse to bugde from 25 million Euros and it seems they will drag this out and do anything to get what they want.

What I want is for Rafa to honestly tell RM to **** off.
All discussions are off and no matter what Alonso is not for sale this season anymore.

by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:16 pm

still no mention of it on .tv, i guess we will just have to wait and see if he plays tomorrow

by **JoeTerp** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:59 pm

from the italian press grumblings, which have to be taken with a lick of salt, shot of tequilla, and a squeeze of a lime, it seems that the Aquilani deal is more or less unofficially verbally agreed. FURTHER he is apparently out of action until September ANYWAY, so it isn't going to make much difference if we bring him in today or Aug 31, looks like we would be going with Masch and Lucas. That seems a pretty good partnership to me to last a month. Considering how skint we are, the few extra mill could come in handy when it comes to buying in the other players with the ALonso money that aren't his replacement. a 4th choice centre half, maybe? but again something that is likely to be used later down the line, not in the first couple weeks of the season, same goes for a player that is going to sit on the bench and play when torres is hurt. Don't think we would have the leftover cash after Aquilani to bring in either of the Valencia players regardless of what kind of crazy fee we ask for and potentially receive for Alonso.

by **devaney** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:02 pm

roberto green wrote:
kopite_1232002 wrote:I'd give them a deadline and a figure that we would accept. I'd tell xabi what's going on and if they don't come up trumps then he stays. Simple

it's a world cup year so xabi is gonna be playing his heart out anyway for that and even if it wasn't I wudnt have xabi down as a sulking type.

We could keep hold of him has a quailty year has a good world cup and he still has 2 years left on his contract were talking big big money then ... We don't need to sell. IF they don't meet are valuation so what keep him. He will still give 100%

Well said

Excellent post.

We had too many draws in 2007/8 and 2008/9 and that was our downfall.
Alonso missed a lot of games in 2007/8 - does anybody know the results record for the matches he missed?

I am a fan of Xabi's 2008/9 stand out season but not some of his earlier performances. He plays wonderful precision passes and reads the game brilliantly. His major problem is that he scores very few goals and has very few assists to his name. I know that is not necessarily his game
but could we get a more rounded player that actually puts the ball in the back of the net. Is that a lot to ask of a high valued midfield player?

by **maguskwt** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:13 pm

devaney wrote:
roberto green wrote:
kopite_1232002 wrote:I'd give them a deadline and a figure that we would accept. I'd tell xabi what's going on and if they don't come up trumps then he stays. Simple

it's a world cup year so xabi is gonna be playing his heart out anyway for that and even if it wasn't I wudnt have xabi down as a sulking type.

We could keep hold of him has a quailty year has a good world cup and he still has 2 years left on his contract were talking big big money then ... We don't need to sell. IF they don't meet are valuation so what keep him. He will still give 100%

Well said

Excellent post.

We had too many draws in 2007/8 and 2008/9 and that was our downfall.
Alonso missed a lot of games in 2007/8 - does anybody know the results record for the matches he missed?

I am a fan of Xabi's 2008/9 stand out season but not some of his earlier performances. He plays wonderful precision passes and reads the game brilliantly. His major problem is that he scores very few goals and has very few assists to his name. I know that is not necessarily his game
but could we get a more rounded player that actually puts the ball in the back of the net. Is that a lot to ask of a high valued midfield player?

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