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by **aCe'** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:58 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
Greavesie wrote:that Perez has been mouthing off again this morning, or was it Pellegrini, either way whoever said it said he wants Alonso

Well they need to come up with the readies then dont they,

An if i was Xabi now id be havin second thought about goin there , obviosly Madrid dont think hes worth what were asking and are being fecking cheeky with there valuation of him , I remember them saying a few weeks ago that they wanted him but he wasnt a priority big money signing , Well we think he is , so as i said if they want him make the cheeky g.ets pay

i dont think Madrid are being cheeky with their valuation and bids tbh.... i think we're asking a little too much if the 35mill rumours are to be believed... obviously we're trying to throw off any interest in him by placing such a price tag on him in the first place and if the Madrid move doesnt go through it would be us pricing him out of a move rather than Madrid not wanting him bad enough imo...
Alonso comes across as a sensible fella im sure he'd realize that Madrid probably feel that it wouldnt be good business paying 30+mill for a player who quite honestly isnt worth that much..
Wouldnt be happy if we payed 50mill for Silva, wouldnt be happy if we had payed 20+mill for Barry last season, probably wouldt have wanted to sign Alonso for 30+mill if he played for someone else either...

by **Reg** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:02 pm

kazza wrote:
heimdall wrote:BTW before someone comes in with well what about Barca I still consider them to be one fo the luckiest winners of the Champions league ever as they shouldn't even have been in that final if it wasn't for the most outrageously bad refereeing I have ever seen.

Your'e right. They should have been knocked out by Liverpool if it was not for the dodgy ref giving Chelsea all the decisions everytime dogbreath and fell over. Shocking!

History and Statto will only remember the result. :laugh:

by **heimdall** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:24 pm

kazza wrote:
heimdall wrote:BTW before someone comes in with well what about Barca I still consider them to be one fo the luckiest winners of the Champions league ever as they shouldn't even have been in that final if it wasn't for the most outrageously bad refereeing I have ever seen.

Your'e right. They should have been knocked out by Liverpool if it was not for the dodgy ref giving Chelsea all the decisions everytime dogbreath and fell over. Shocking!

fair point, I reckon we would have beaten them as well but we were so :censored:

against the chavs in the first leg. :down:

by **tubby** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:26 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
Greavesie wrote:that Perez has been mouthing off again this morning, or was it Pellegrini, either way whoever said it said he wants Alonso

Well they need to come up with the readies then dont they,

An if i was Xabi now id be havin second thought about goin there , obviosly Madrid dont think hes worth what were asking and are being fecking cheeky with there valuation of him , I remember them saying a few weeks ago that they wanted him but he wasnt a priority big money signing , Well we think he is , so as i said if they want him make the cheeky g.ets pay

If you were Xabi you wouldn't want to go in the first place.

But to be fair the things which prompted Xabi to want to go are still there anyway so I don't see how the situation will have changed.

Also Ace ys the valuation might be high but so were the valuations of Benzema, Ronaldo and Kaka. We are doing nothing different to how other teams have negotiated with Madrid and the fact that Xabi has 3 years still on his contract only puts the ball in our court. So either Madrid cough up or feck off.

When do we have to name our players for the CL by? It's probably a bit later this year as we go straight in the group stages but if I were Rafa I would make sure I made Xabi aware he is going to be the first on the list. That way we will see if he really does want to stay or go.

by **ElNino9** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:28 pm

CL squad deadline is Thursday i think.

by **stmichael** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:31 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
Greavesie wrote:that Perez has been mouthing off again this morning, or was it Pellegrini, either way whoever said it said he wants Alonso

Well they need to come up with the readies then dont they,

An if i was Xabi now id be havin second thought about goin there , obviosly Madrid dont think hes worth what were asking and are being fecking cheeky with there valuation of him , I remember them saying a few weeks ago that they wanted him but he wasnt a priority big money signing , Well we think he is , so as i said if they want him make the cheeky g.ets pay

Damn right Nan.

They can hardly complain about the price. Madrid have caused the problem in the first place by overinflating the market price themselves, and have to reap what they have sown.

Alonso is probably the best creative midfielder available, and his price should reflect this.

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:31 pm

aCe' wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
Greavesie wrote:that Perez has been mouthing off again this morning, or was it Pellegrini, either way whoever said it said he wants Alonso

Well they need to come up with the readies then dont they,

An if i was Xabi now id be havin second thought about goin there , obviosly Madrid dont think hes worth what were asking and are being fecking cheeky with there valuation of him , I remember them saying a few weeks ago that they wanted him but he wasnt a priority big money signing , Well we think he is , so as i said if they want him make the cheeky g.ets pay

i dont think Madrid are being cheeky with their valuation and bids tbh.... i think we're asking a little too much if the 35mill rumours are to be believed... obviously we're trying to throw off any interest in him by placing such a price tag on him in the first place and if the Madrid move doesnt go through it would be us pricing him out of a move rather than Madrid not wanting him bad enough imo...
Alonso comes across as a sensible fella im sure he'd realize that Madrid probably feel that it wouldnt be good business paying 30+mill for a player who quite honestly isnt worth that much..
Wouldnt be happy if we payed 50mill for Silva, wouldnt be happy if we had payed 20+mill for Barry last season, probably wouldt have wanted to sign Alonso for 30+mill if he played for someone else either...

I disagree that we're asking too much for him. Given his importance to the side, given the instability that losing a top player would bring, given the ever-shortening timeframe to bring in a replacement and given the fact that Real Madrid and Manchester City have helped inflate the market--the same market we'd need to shop in to buy a replacement--I think making them fork over that kind of money is reasonable. If they don't value him that highly, fair enough. They can retract their bid and he can stay with us. The bottom line is that he's currently worth more to us than he is to them. We can moan about them lowballing us with cheeky bids and they can moan about us pricing him out of a move with an inflated valuation but, at the end of the day, our different valuations reflect the difference in Xabi's importance to both sides.

by **Reg** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:32 pm

by **Reg** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:33 pm

stmichael wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
Greavesie wrote:that Perez has been mouthing off again this morning, or was it Pellegrini, either way whoever said it said he wants Alonso

Well they need to come up with the readies then dont they,

An if i was Xabi now id be havin second thought about goin there , obviosly Madrid dont think hes worth what were asking and are being fecking cheeky with there valuation of him , I remember them saying a few weeks ago that they wanted him but he wasnt a priority big money signing , Well we think he is , so as i said if they want him make the cheeky g.ets pay

Damn right Nan.

They can hardly complain about the price. Madrid have caused the problem in the first place by overinflating the market price themselves, and have to reap what they have sown.

Alonso is probably the best creative midfielder available, and his price should reflect this.

Source ??

Sorry mate couldna resist it !

by **JoeTerp** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:48 pm

ElNino9 wrote:CL squad deadline is Thursday i think.

i am pretty sure that is just for teams involved in qualifiers, which is NOT US

by **ElNino9** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:50 pm

Oh yeah 1st, 2nd and 3rd qualify automatically. In that case i don't know.

by **aCe'** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:57 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
aCe' wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
Greavesie wrote:that Perez has been mouthing off again this morning, or was it Pellegrini, either way whoever said it said he wants Alonso

Well they need to come up with the readies then dont they,

An if i was Xabi now id be havin second thought about goin there , obviosly Madrid dont think hes worth what were asking and are being fecking cheeky with there valuation of him , I remember them saying a few weeks ago that they wanted him but he wasnt a priority big money signing , Well we think he is , so as i said if they want him make the cheeky g.ets pay

i dont think Madrid are being cheeky with their valuation and bids tbh.... i think we're asking a little too much if the 35mill rumours are to be believed... obviously we're trying to throw off any interest in him by placing such a price tag on him in the first place and if the Madrid move doesnt go through it would be us pricing him out of a move rather than Madrid not wanting him bad enough imo...
Alonso comes across as a sensible fella im sure he'd realize that Madrid probably feel that it wouldnt be good business paying 30+mill for a player who quite honestly isnt worth that much..
Wouldnt be happy if we payed 50mill for Silva, wouldnt be happy if we had payed 20+mill for Barry last season, probably wouldt have wanted to sign Alonso for 30+mill if he played for someone else either...

I disagree that we're asking too much for him. Given his importance to the side, given the instability that losing a top player would bring, given the ever-shortening timeframe to bring in a replacement and given the fact that Real Madrid and Manchester City have helped inflate the market--the same market we'd need to shop in to buy a replacement--I think making them fork over that kind of money is reasonable. If they don't value him that highly, fair enough. They can retract their bid and he can stay with us. The bottom line is that he's currently worth more to us than he is to them. We can moan about them lowballing us with cheeky bids and they can moan about us pricing him out of a move with an inflated valuation but, at the end of the day, our different valuations reflect the difference in Xabi's importance to both sides.

ok... so why is it that you disagree that we're asking too much for him again ? my point was that our valuation of him doesnt reflect his quality.. for 35mill, you'd quite honestly expect the player to be one of the best in the world in his position... cant think of many players who were sold for 35mill or more... Ronaldo, Kaka, Zidane and Figo... dont think theres any other names to add to that list..

The things you mention there are reasons as to why we are asking too much for him ( importance to the side, instability, inflated market..etc) but that doesnt mean that his abilities warrant a 35million fee.. that was my point i never argued that we should be selling him for cheap because hes not worth the money, obviously if we think hes an irreplaceable part of our system we'd want to price any other team out from making a deal...

Anyways... i think theyr getting to a point with their spending where a 5mill difference isnt seen as a deal breaker + they have many players that theyr trying to get rid off and some of whom we could use... i say we try to get a player exchange deal done and move on with our other transfers asap...

by **ElNino9** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:01 pm

R.Madrid have 29 players and you can only enter 25, 4 have to go and hopefully some of the 4 or even all 4 come to Liverpool.

by **sworth26** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:10 pm

I have a funny feeling he is going to stay, perhaps not beacuse he wants to but because Rafa is (rightly) digging in his heels and they have now spent so much they are trying to be frugle in the latter stages of the window. If he does stay, and I hope he does, I think he will contiune to show the form he did last season and will be rewarded with a new contact. He has every right to look for a move elsewhere after the debarcle last season but, should he stay, I think he will realise he is at the right club and will part of the core team for the next 3-4 years.

Or maybe he will be gone within 48 hours

by **Bammo** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:18 pm

ElNino9 wrote:R.Madrid have 29 players and you can only enter 25, 4 have to go and hopefully some of the 4 or even all 4 come to Liverpool.

Don't we allegedly have 65+ players though? :wwww

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