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Toffeehater wrote:

sgs wrote:One player that could come step in seamlessly if Alonso was sold is Mikel at Chelsea if they were willing to sell...

  , brilliant that!

heimdall wrote:

stmichael wrote:

aCe' wrote:Alonsos a good player and all but lets not over exaggerate his abilities or importance to our side here ...
The way i see it, there isnt much difference in quality between the likes of Alonso, Barry, Carrick, Pirlo, Cambiasso...etc... Alonsos passing stands out, Barry's ball retention and crossing stand out, Carricks attacking play and contributions stand out, Cambiasso's defending and linkup play stand out...etc etc... overall theyr all about the same level... You have better players in their positions (Essien, Fabregas, Scholes, DeRossi, Xavi, Iniesta, Ballack..etc) and you have worse...

Again, if we replace Alonso that doesnt have to mean that we'd only be looking for someone who has passing skills that stand out, while everything else he has in his game is prettyy ordinary... Imo, we'd be better off getting someone who offers that little more in the final third in terms of direct contribution to our attacking play.. There are many names out there who imo would do a very good job in our side replacing Alonso in the current setup, and depending on how we go about our transfers IF Alonso leaves, i think we have a very good chance of actually coming out of this whole thing with a better squad and starting 11 than we do now...
And the whole best midfield in the world thing is a funny one... its like Milan having Flamini, Emerson, Ambrosini, Gattuso, Pirlo and about 15 other defensive midfielders and bragging about it... In attacking terms, all of them combined played in the starting 11 amount to half a 74 year old Filipo Inzaghi... ManUtd dont have the best midfield in the world but i'd say they've been doing pretty okay the last couple of years ! Wonder how theyv managed to go on and win games without having Alonso in their side 

Carrick's attacking qualities stand out? You're having a laugh mate.

Alonso is unique. The likes of Xavi, Iniesta and Fabregas (fantastic though they are) couldn't come into our system and play in the way Xabi does. Alonso's more prone to sit deep and play longer balls into the channels. Those three are more adventurous and favour the more intricate stuff in the final third. They also don't have the physicailty or comitment in the tackle in my opinion.

The likes of Pirlo & Riquelme could come in and play in the same way but price and age might rule them out. I don't think De Rossi has the technical quality (but if Masch went I'd happily have him step in there). Carrick is a poor, poor second (and Utd wouldn't sell to us in a million years anway)

I don't think Gerrard is disciplined or savvy enough to play there and surely we'd prefer him playing off Torres given the partnership they've established?

Why are you laughing at Carricks attacking abilities, they are far better than Alonso's, which is fairly evident by the number of goals scored. 

GOAT wrote:

heimdall wrote:

stmichael wrote:

aCe' wrote:Alonsos a good player and all but lets not over exaggerate his abilities or importance to our side here ...
The way i see it, there isnt much difference in quality between the likes of Alonso, Barry, Carrick, Pirlo, Cambiasso...etc... Alonsos passing stands out, Barry's ball retention and crossing stand out, Carricks attacking play and contributions stand out, Cambiasso's defending and linkup play stand out...etc etc... overall theyr all about the same level... You have better players in their positions (Essien, Fabregas, Scholes, DeRossi, Xavi, Iniesta, Ballack..etc) and you have worse...

Again, if we replace Alonso that doesnt have to mean that we'd only be looking for someone who has passing skills that stand out, while everything else he has in his game is prettyy ordinary... Imo, we'd be better off getting someone who offers that little more in the final third in terms of direct contribution to our attacking play.. There are many names out there who imo would do a very good job in our side replacing Alonso in the current setup, and depending on how we go about our transfers IF Alonso leaves, i think we have a very good chance of actually coming out of this whole thing with a better squad and starting 11 than we do now...
And the whole best midfield in the world thing is a funny one... its like Milan having Flamini, Emerson, Ambrosini, Gattuso, Pirlo and about 15 other defensive midfielders and bragging about it... In attacking terms, all of them combined played in the starting 11 amount to half a 74 year old Filipo Inzaghi... ManUtd dont have the best midfield in the world but i'd say they've been doing pretty okay the last couple of years ! Wonder how theyv managed to go on and win games without having Alonso in their side 

Carrick's attacking qualities stand out? You're having a laugh mate.

Alonso is unique. The likes of Xavi, Iniesta and Fabregas (fantastic though they are) couldn't come into our system and play in the way Xabi does. Alonso's more prone to sit deep and play longer balls into the channels. Those three are more adventurous and favour the more intricate stuff in the final third. They also don't have the physicailty or comitment in the tackle in my opinion.

The likes of Pirlo & Riquelme could come in and play in the same way but price and age might rule them out. I don't think De Rossi has the technical quality (but if Masch went I'd happily have him step in there). Carrick is a poor, poor second (and Utd wouldn't sell to us in a million years anway)

I don't think Gerrard is disciplined or savvy enough to play there and surely we'd prefer him playing off Torres given the partnership they've established?

Why are you laughing at Carricks attacking abilities, they are far better than Alonso's, which is fairly evident by the number of goals scored. 

What, 9 goals in 3 seasons in the league? cor blimey he's a machine

And Alonso has scored??? I would still like to think that Carrick has had more assists and certainly contributes more offensively to the team. Anyway I am sure to be shot down in flames by some statto out there. 

aCe' wrote:I have absolutely no doubt that Carrick offers much more in attacking terms than Alonso does... if anyone wants to talk about stats and all that.. then i suggest we have a look at that funny thing Nanny posted last season where you see where players have been active most during the game... i mean where he is when he recieves a pass or provides one... also im pretty sure Carrick has more assists and had more attempts on target... in terms of goals neither are regular scorers but Carrick has scored more than Alonso has by quite some margin...

Im not saying Carrick is the better player or anything but in our current setup id personally take Carrick ahead of alonso...
Alonsos my favourite Liverpool player, dont get me wrong... reminds me a little of Redondo when he was at his best with Madrid... absolutely fanstastic but its a shame we dont seem able to get the best out of him...

What funny thingy did i put up  i cant remember yesterday nevermind ages ago

NANNY RED wrote:

aCe' wrote:I have absolutely no doubt that Carrick offers much more in attacking terms than Alonso does... if anyone wants to talk about stats and all that.. then i suggest we have a look at that funny thing Nanny posted last season where you see where players have been active most during the game... i mean where he is when he recieves a pass or provides one... also im pretty sure Carrick has more assists and had more attempts on target... in terms of goals neither are regular scorers but Carrick has scored more than Alonso has by quite some margin...

Im not saying Carrick is the better player or anything but in our current setup id personally take Carrick ahead of alonso...
Alonsos my favourite Liverpool player, dont get me wrong... reminds me a little of Redondo when he was at his best with Madrid... absolutely fanstastic but its a shame we dont seem able to get the best out of him...

What funny thingy did i put up  i cant remember yesterday nevermind ages ago

aCe' wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:

aCe' wrote:I have absolutely no doubt that Carrick offers much more in attacking terms than Alonso does... if anyone wants to talk about stats and all that.. then i suggest we have a look at that funny thing Nanny posted last season where you see where players have been active most during the game... i mean where he is when he recieves a pass or provides one... also im pretty sure Carrick has more assists and had more attempts on target... in terms of goals neither are regular scorers but Carrick has scored more than Alonso has by quite some margin...

Im not saying Carrick is the better player or anything but in our current setup id personally take Carrick ahead of alonso...
Alonsos my favourite Liverpool player, dont get me wrong... reminds me a little of Redondo when he was at his best with Madrid... absolutely fanstastic but its a shame we dont seem able to get the best out of him...

What funny thingy did i put up  i cant remember yesterday nevermind ages ago

i dont know what it was exactly but i remember it was a site that showed very specific stats for every player in every league game they played... distance convered, number of times the touched the ball.. completed passes, where they passes from and to... shots on targets and where from.. tackles..everything...
was a really good site i had it bookmarked on my other laptop...

feckin hell Ace did i put that up ,  im a claver little g.et then, Move over Owzat , Theres a new bird in town, a bit of an arl bird though

Sabre wrote:

I have absolutely no doubt that Carrick offers much more in attacking terms than Alonso does...

Yes, Big Spanish clubs would like to have a Carrick, with his exquisite skill, the only problem is they know they'd have to pay 60M or more.

That's probably why half Europe is behind Alonso and the other half behind Mascherano, Carrick is too good.

On Igor's post, he reminds us something that we all know, that big players left Liverpool and others came, this remains true even for Gerrard. Sometimes when you see your players underrated (and to underrate Alonso is to say you could play Benayoun instead and nothing happens) you jump to defend them, but that doesn't mean that a player is bigger than the club nor he can't be replaced by anyone.

No that's not the point. The point is to give our players the credit they deserve. It winds me up that a certain Diarra is worth 20M and then I see some fans happy to see Alonso go for that price.

Prices in football is something relative. "Low teens" last year, was a lot of money for Real Madrid. A TV contract comes and FLorentino comes, and suddenly "low teens" is nothing. The price of a player depends not only on his quality but also the circunstances of the buyer and how they desperately need to sign up someone. In this situation I just hope that Rafa defends Liverpool the best way he can, and I mean ripping Madrid off.

Alonso is not irreplaceable, but out of the list that Ace' provides few of them are direct replacements, because he talks about fitting our system.

Fabregas is sat down in the current Spanish squad, why? because he competes with Xavi and Iniesta. He doesn't compete with Alonso, because he's another kind of midfielder.

So yes, you can bring Fabregas and be succesful, but with a different formation. Mascherano would support two or three attacking mids, which is a different approach. It can be succesful? of course, but Fabregas' football is not a direct replacement for what Alonso provides.

NANNY RED wrote:

aCe' wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:

aCe' wrote:I have absolutely no doubt that Carrick offers much more in attacking terms than Alonso does... if anyone wants to talk about stats and all that.. then i suggest we have a look at that funny thing Nanny posted last season where you see where players have been active most during the game... i mean where he is when he recieves a pass or provides one... also im pretty sure Carrick has more assists and had more attempts on target... in terms of goals neither are regular scorers but Carrick has scored more than Alonso has by quite some margin...

Im not saying Carrick is the better player or anything but in our current setup id personally take Carrick ahead of alonso...
Alonsos my favourite Liverpool player, dont get me wrong... reminds me a little of Redondo when he was at his best with Madrid... absolutely fanstastic but its a shame we dont seem able to get the best out of him...

What funny thingy did i put up  i cant remember yesterday nevermind ages ago

i dont know what it was exactly but i remember it was a site that showed very specific stats for every player in every league game they played... distance convered, number of times the touched the ball.. completed passes, where they passes from and to... shots on targets and where from.. tackles..everything...
was a really good site i had it bookmarked on my other laptop...

feckin hell Ace did i put that up ,  im a claver little g.et then, Move over Owzat , Theres a new bird in town, a bit of an arl bird though

yea you were really excited about it aswell...

Funny ive never seen u recommend any players... with Alonso on his way out who would you wanna see come in for him ? Besides Silva that is...

Bammo wrote:ace, you may be thinking of the guardian website with the interactive chalkboards

Erm excuse me Bammo like but its my chalk board

An Ace to be honest i havnt even thought about who could replace Xabi, because in my heart ive always thought hed stay, but now it looks like hes on his toes , well its hard mate as everyone an there mam know im a big fan of Xabi, an yes i do think it will be a big lose to us because i believe we are a far better team with Xabi Alonso in it, But with a broken heart an all we have to get the most amount of money out of that Madrid as we can, an im talking at least 35-40 million here, An if we could pull that off then my only option in replacing him would be Stevie, an buy a world class stiker with the money to play up with Fernando,

i mean like Stevie dosnt have to play there full stop , he can Rotate depending on who we play, But for me id have Gerrard back in the middle an go with a striker, an the rest of the money on Mr silver with top ups like.