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by **heimdall** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:57 pm

aCe' wrote:
GOAT wrote:
aCe' wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
aCe' wrote:
GYBS wrote:How come you dont rate reina ace ?

And think the only thing barry has over Xabi is the fact he is english but for me xabi is technically superior to barry in most aspects of the game bar barry having a better ability to burst forward where as xabi prefers to play that quarterback role to the highest level .

i just think hes overrated by our own thats all.. he keeps many clean sheets and his distribution is better than anything iv ever seen from any goalie but i just dont believe hes half as good as some claim he is... i mean some were saying he's the best in the world ! i mean come on lets not get carried away he'd hardly make the top 5 or maybe even 10 list and we'r in a time were class goalies are hard to find...
anyways it isnt that big a deal he rarely has much to do in games anyways given the way we play but funny enough he hasnt been all the great when called upon imo .. not the best when it comes to crosses and high balls in the area...

anyways back to Alonso... i think alot of his play actually depends on the players around him,... movement off the ball and positioning and all that.... better players around him = better play from Alonso and probably more room and time to show what he has.. just imagine what he'd be like in a side like Barcelona or dare i say..ManUtd....

Name 5 keepers currently better.

Casillas, Buffon, Cech, VDS, Given, Julio Cesar... Frey, Akinfeev, Friedel, maybe even Howard (then again maybe not) are about the same level as Reina i'd say...

lol joker

Come on though, serious answer, I'm curious now

mmm... not rocket science now is it... i think Cech, Casillas, VDS, Buffon, Julio Cesar and Shay Given are all better goalkeepers ... just an opinion if ya disagree then fair enough.... dont get me wrong, Reina is a quality goalie but hes way too overrated by some you guys... Any of the above names would have done the same, if not a better job with our side given the system we play... When it comes to Reina, his distribution is at a different level to any other goalkeeper iv ever seen... with our style..counterattacks and all that i'd say he fits the bill quite nicely but as far as im concerned hes not one of the best 5 shot stoppers in the business...

You've lost a lot of credibility though after the sell Agger and Skittles and keep Hyppia and Carra comment.

I think you are right about those other keepers, they are outstanding keepers but Reina is a very very good keeper as well although he's not a natural shot blocker like for example Schmeical was. He is damned good at everything else though.

by **KennyisGod....still** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:04 pm

Maybe he should give back the golden glove awards? Obviously they're a testament to Carra and the defence, not Pepe.

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:23 pm

Erm excuse me like but Xabi is going nowhere.

Just forget abar it now,

by **Toffeehater** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:26 pm

Thats up to rafa and the two :censored:

. Xabi has been immense this season , if we sell him , we're digging our own graves

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:29 pm

Toffeehater wrote:Thats up to rafa and the two . Xabi has been immense this season , if we sell him , we're digging our own graves

An if we sell him ill be diggin them two bas.tards graves, Majestic player, joy to watch. fecking handsome an all . :;):

by **aCe'** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:33 pm

heimdall wrote:
aCe' wrote:
GOAT wrote:
aCe' wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
aCe' wrote:
GYBS wrote:How come you dont rate reina ace ?

And think the only thing barry has over Xabi is the fact he is english but for me xabi is technically superior to barry in most aspects of the game bar barry having a better ability to burst forward where as xabi prefers to play that quarterback role to the highest level .

i just think hes overrated by our own thats all.. he keeps many clean sheets and his distribution is better than anything iv ever seen from any goalie but i just dont believe hes half as good as some claim he is... i mean some were saying he's the best in the world ! i mean come on lets not get carried away he'd hardly make the top 5 or maybe even 10 list and we'r in a time were class goalies are hard to find...
anyways it isnt that big a deal he rarely has much to do in games anyways given the way we play but funny enough he hasnt been all the great when called upon imo .. not the best when it comes to crosses and high balls in the area...

anyways back to Alonso... i think alot of his play actually depends on the players around him,... movement off the ball and positioning and all that.... better players around him = better play from Alonso and probably more room and time to show what he has.. just imagine what he'd be like in a side like Barcelona or dare i say..ManUtd....

Name 5 keepers currently better.

Casillas, Buffon, Cech, VDS, Given, Julio Cesar... Frey, Akinfeev, Friedel, maybe even Howard (then again maybe not) are about the same level as Reina i'd say...

lol joker

Come on though, serious answer, I'm curious now

mmm... not rocket science now is it... i think Cech, Casillas, VDS, Buffon, Julio Cesar and Shay Given are all better goalkeepers ... just an opinion if ya disagree then fair enough.... dont get me wrong, Reina is a quality goalie but hes way too overrated by some you guys... Any of the above names would have done the same, if not a better job with our side given the system we play... When it comes to Reina, his distribution is at a different level to any other goalkeeper iv ever seen... with our style..counterattacks and all that i'd say he fits the bill quite nicely but as far as im concerned hes not one of the best 5 shot stoppers in the business...

You've lost a lot of credibility though after the sell Agger and Skittles and keep Hyppia and Carra comment.

I think you are right about those other keepers, they are outstanding keepers but Reina is a very very good keeper as well although he's not a natural shot blocker like for example Schmeical was. He is damned good at everything else though.

well i dont really consider most on here an authority on most issues to be seeking any sort of credibility from anyone but whatever... i think Agger and Skrtel are both good defenders... Skrtel probably the better equiped to the challenges of the english game atm... Agger the better footballer and the more cultured player of the two... obviously Agger would be a welcome addition to any side in world football given what he offers in terms of creating attacking moves and carrying the ball but at this stage he seriously lacks in more than department when it comes to his defensive game ... I've said this on the other thread and not to sound repetetive or anything but obviously some like urself seem to chose what they want to read rather than respond to what is actually being written... Skrtel with experience and more coaching on aspects lacking in his game such as positioning and overall defensive awarness could very well become one of the best centerbacks around in a few years... Agger is a different case though... hes this sort of player and while he can be expected to do a job more often than not, he'll always be likely to make mistakes that cost goals and hence points...

When you have defenders like Vidic, Carvalho, Ferdinand, Terry, Gallas, even the likes of Lescott and Woodgate playing at this level you can afford to push the midfielders further up knowing your backline can be relied on when and if the other team breaks on the counter... With Agger and Skrtel they both will always be likely to either be caught napping, over commit or under commit going into a challenge ... again what i said was in regards to next season, if you had read it ... wasnt thinking much about the long term

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:04 am

aCe' wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
aCe' wrote:
GYBS wrote:How come you dont rate reina ace ?

And think the only thing barry has over Xabi is the fact he is english but for me xabi is technically superior to barry in most aspects of the game bar barry having a better ability to burst forward where as xabi prefers to play that quarterback role to the highest level .

i just think hes overrated by our own thats all.. he keeps many clean sheets and his distribution is better than anything iv ever seen from any goalie but i just dont believe hes half as good as some claim he is... i mean some were saying he's the best in the world ! i mean come on lets not get carried away he'd hardly make the top 5 or maybe even 10 list and we'r in a time were class goalies are hard to find...
anyways it isnt that big a deal he rarely has much to do in games anyways given the way we play but funny enough he hasnt been all the great when called upon imo .. not the best when it comes to crosses and high balls in the area...

anyways back to Alonso... i think alot of his play actually depends on the players around him,... movement off the ball and positioning and all that.... better players around him = better play from Alonso and probably more room and time to show what he has.. just imagine what he'd be like in a side like Barcelona or dare i say..ManUtd....

Name 5 keepers currently better.

Casillas, Buffon, Cech, VDS, Given, Julio Cesar... Frey, Akinfeev, Friedel, maybe even Howard (then again maybe not) are about the same level as Reina i'd say...

Lay off this sh*t dude - it's frazzled your brain... :no

by **aCe'** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:08 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
aCe' wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
aCe' wrote:
GYBS wrote:How come you dont rate reina ace ?

And think the only thing barry has over Xabi is the fact he is english but for me xabi is technically superior to barry in most aspects of the game bar barry having a better ability to burst forward where as xabi prefers to play that quarterback role to the highest level .

i just think hes overrated by our own thats all.. he keeps many clean sheets and his distribution is better than anything iv ever seen from any goalie but i just dont believe hes half as good as some claim he is... i mean some were saying he's the best in the world ! i mean come on lets not get carried away he'd hardly make the top 5 or maybe even 10 list and we'r in a time were class goalies are hard to find...
anyways it isnt that big a deal he rarely has much to do in games anyways given the way we play but funny enough he hasnt been all the great when called upon imo .. not the best when it comes to crosses and high balls in the area...

anyways back to Alonso... i think alot of his play actually depends on the players around him,... movement off the ball and positioning and all that.... better players around him = better play from Alonso and probably more room and time to show what he has.. just imagine what he'd be like in a side like Barcelona or dare i say..ManUtd....

Name 5 keepers currently better.

Casillas, Buffon, Cech, VDS, Given, Julio Cesar... Frey, Akinfeev, Friedel, maybe even Howard (then again maybe not) are about the same level as Reina i'd say...

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Lay off this sh*t dude - it's frazzled your brain...

fix it i cant see the image.... is it weed ? ... if so then ill consider your request...

by **aCe'** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:09 am

alright let me ask YOU then... where does Reina rank in your books ?

by **Toffeehater** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:23 am

I'd say top 5 in the world right behind , buffon , cassilas , cesar , reina than cech

by **GYBS** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:32 pm

aCe' wrote:alright let me ask YOU then... where does Reina rank in your books ?

Just behind Cassilas and Buffon - ahead of cech ,vds .

by **LegBarnes** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:42 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Selling Alonso will knock us down 3 places in the table.

It would if we didn't replace him with someone who can do as good a job I meen alonso is good he is one of best in world at his posistion but there are better players about tho who can a little more with ball IE run with it.

But as far as getting them I can't see it happening unless we have a fair budget to work off and with current owners I don't see that ever happening so as far as for me personaly letting Alonso go I say keep him for at least 1 more season and see what happens.

As for masch I could see him go in summer many clubs after him and I think we could get a massive offor.

I think either him or alonso needs to go end of season due to fact we have alot of spots on fields we are weaker in and the prem is one of those leagues where every part of your team will get tested.

So it is important to spread the tallent all over the pitch rather then have it in only a few areas.

Atm we have great spine but massive weakness down each side of flanks I feel when ever we lose goals or fail to break teams down its due to those areas so if we are to progress next season that is something rafa is going to have to address.

And this post is exactly why people think you're an idiot.

Well, that and the fact that you're an idiot.

Sell 1 of 2 of our most influential and consistent first teamers? Get shut of half of the best midfield duo in the Premiership?

Your answer to squad improvement is to sell one of our best players in an important area to strengthen other areas?

I can see that logic is not one of your strong points...

Yeah you proved you are idiot 3 people that cost us game last night was RB . LB and masch.

So maybe I have a point ?

so quick to twist the knife yet you made ya self look like a fool.

by **GYBS** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:07 pm

mash made one mistake ffs .

by **stmichael** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:17 pm

Talks of Juventus being back in for him in the summer:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport....so.html

Rafa was definitely going to sell Xabi last season when he thought he could get a big whack for him, buy Barry for half the price and use the extra money on a forward/winger. That was after Xabi had been injured/off colour for the season previously though. This season he’s been immense, so unless we get offered something massive plus Rafa thinks he can use that money to improve the team overall, I think Xabi will be staying. All this talk of “getting rid” is nonsense though. Rafa won’t be selling Xabi just because he wants to, it’ll be because he thinks he can improve the team.

by **Sabre** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:20 pm

St MIchael

While Benitez would be loath to part with Alonso, one of his most trusted on-pitch lieutenants, he has admitted he cannot guarantee he would not be tempted to part with the former Real Sociedad player if the club received the right offer.

Asked if he would reject an increased bid from Alonso's former suitors, Benitez simply said: "I don't know if Juventus would have that amount of money this summer because there is a crisis all around the world. We will have to wait and see. We didn't want to sell him last summer but in football everybody has a price."

Ernesto Bronzetti, the Italian superagent who advises many of Serie A's top clubs on transfers, admitted on Tuesday he still sees Alonso as the ideal foil for another former Liverpool midfielder, Momo Sissoko, in Ranieri's midfield.

He said: "I would try to bring in Alonso. There was a long chase last summer for his signature, of course, so it is a road we know. Pairing him with Sissoko would be a title-winning midfield. The problem is that it would be very hard and expensive to take such an important player away from Liverpool."

Where has Benitez admitted that he cannot guarantee he wouldn't be tempted? Or is it the journo speculating as I was some weeks ago (precisely fearing that, but then I admit it was speculation and fear)

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