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Postby Bam » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:23 pm

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Bam wrote:I think Mick has hit the nail largely on the head concerning Alonso moving out of the "pocket" more. Last season TBH I thought by and large he was dissapointing and TBH was pretty poor in the bulk of games. I can see a significant improvement in his game, he's more influential during a match now. His movement is more positive as oppossed to the kind of static positioning of last season. Which of course made him easier to press and nulify during a game and therefore becoming ineffective when in possession.

Whether or not Rafa looking to offload him, was the rocket up the @rse he needed to prove Rafa wrong I dont know. It looks as though its only had a positive effect on his game, and of course not being rotated in and out of fixtures willy nilly will only help to. But IMO he looks a little more adventurous in his play this year, and as said already to which Mick has pointed out is because he's moved out of the "pocket".

This may be an interesting addition to the Gerrard debate because, IMO, Alonso has looked to move out of the pocket more when partnered with Gerrard this season in a midfield 4.  I can't recall how he did in his earlier partnerships with Masch but against Man City they looked, at times, to be back to playing within 10 feet of each other.  Mick identified this as one of the problems with Alonso's game last season and it's especially apparent when we play 4-2-3-1 with Gerrard ahead of both Masch and Alonso.  Perhaps this is a clear indication that 4-4-2 gets the most out of our central midfielders by giving them space to move into, even if it means that one of them has to be sat down.  For me, Gerrard is nailed on barring injury or a truly disastrous dip in form.  That leaves picking one from Masch and Alonso to partner him and I would give who ever's on form a run of games, while the other needs to work hard in training, bide his time and make a strong claim to be first choice when given a chance to play.

I dont mind either midfield the four or the five personally. As Alonso when played in the five certainly looks likehe's in his own "comfort" zone, sitting. With Gerrard playing ahead of both Mascha and Alonso, I personally think (and could be wrong of course) Xabi could find perhaps even more space as the oppo's midfield and defence will pick up Gerrard aswell as Torres. Both Gerrard and Nando would possibly make a little more room for Xabi to exploit as the oppo's tactical set-up would be to stop Gerrard and Torres first and foremost in their defensive quest. With them being pre-occupied with Nando and Gerrard Alonso may well be able to move inbetween the lines and cause added problems for their defence, baring of course it doesnt get to conjested.

But TBH I dont think its as neccesary in that formation for Alonso to do that (venture forward). Certainly though and like he has been showing in a flat 4 mid. He'll need to help out Gerrard more and as you say, be within 10-15 yards or so of his man more often than not. Whether that be defending or attacking, but Alonso has been a much more pivitol figure in games recently and if he's on form like you say he should remain in the team until Mascha or anyone else earns the right to be their.
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Postby Toffeehater » Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:57 pm

Judge wrote:alonso is truly great, he got cahill sent off. hurrah :D

Zabaleta and Vidic as well . 3 red cards shown these season to the opposition against us , all fouls have come against alonso  :D
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Postby Lando_Griffin » Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:02 pm

I think that I may have misinterpreted peoples posts. I read "Alonso was poor/p*ss-poor", and take that to mean very, very bad.

However. I think that what MAY be the issue here, is that said posters meant "compared to his usual standards."

I agree with Sabre when he says Alonso was, at worst, playing at 65% of his own potential. (Which many may perceive to be "p*ss-poor" compared to 100%.)
If this is the case, then I apologise.

What I wish to point out to the others, though, is that an Alonso at 65% is still better than most central midfielders at 100%. I would say that an Alonso running at 2/3 of his ability would still walk into any other team in the premiership, bar Manscum and Sh*teski. Hardly p*ss-poor.
THAT is why I defend the lad so vehemently - because he doesn't deserve the flack.
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Postby Kukilon » Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:00 pm

Haha another one sent off. Xabi the master of sucking them in!
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Postby Bad Bob » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:40 pm

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Judge wrote:alonso is truly great, he got cahill sent off. hurrah :D

Zabaleta and Vidic as well . 3 red cards shown these season to the opposition against us , all fouls have come against alonso  :D

Time to update... :oops:


I'm just glad that none of these challenges have done him any serious harm.  He must have titanium ankles! :D
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Postby Greavesie » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:47 pm

I'm just glad that none of these challenges have done him any serious harm.  He must have titanium ankles! 


I was thinking the same thing Bob, some of the challenges that have went in against him this season have been shocking IMO. I think he's lucky to have escaped every one of them without too much harm
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Postby Igor Zidane » Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:15 pm

Ian st john ,gave him MOM on Radio City today , he said he bossed the midfield in the second half and was alot better that gerrard today.
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Postby NANNY RED » Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:59 pm

He got my second man of the match after Kuyt
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Postby bigmick » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:14 pm

I haven't seen the game, but in previous matches I think he is right back to his very best. If Gerrard is ghoing to continue in thsi more circumspect, somewhat less gung-ho vein, then Masherano is seriously goign to have nhis work cut out getting back in. If the captain is rampaging around the pitch and you need a fire fighter, then the argentine is the better at manning the barricades in my view. In a conventional set up though where Gerrard sits more, Alonso in this form is going to be nigh on impossible to shift.

Some say Rafa is a good manager and he is. Everyone would agree though that he's a lucky manager, and it's a fantastic quality to have. I'll tell you this for free, in this form Alonso is much the better player than Gareth Barry, and we got the result of the century the way things are turning out.


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Postby bigmick » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:15 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:I think that I may have misinterpreted peoples posts. I read "Alonso was poor/p*ss-poor", and take that to mean very, very bad.

However. I think that what MAY be the issue here, is that said posters meant "compared to his usual standards."

I agree with Sabre when he says Alonso was, at worst, playing at 65% of his own potential. (Which many may perceive to be "p*ss-poor" compared to 100%.)
If this is the case, then I apologise.

What I wish to point out to the others, though, is that an Alonso at 65% is still better than most central midfielders at 100%. I would say that an Alonso running at 2/3 of his ability would still walk into any other team in the premiership, bar Manscum and Sh*teski. Hardly p*ss-poor.
THAT is why I defend the lad so vehemently - because he doesn't deserve the flack.

Well said mate, top post.
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Postby Kharhaz » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:20 pm

bigmick wrote:DISCLAIMER FOR ANY LURKING NUMPTIES:

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Its like having to put the small print in large text and the main article in small print !

Also laughed at LFC2007 he posted one once and popped in a © which was caused by this numpy sat here typing this  :D
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Postby bigmick » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:25 pm

You have to put disclaimers in mate, otherwise you end upo having an argument over something which not the point of your post at all. I tried to make the peace on the "dogma" thread, and two numpties got the wrong end of the stick on there :laugh: they'll probably read this and come back for more. I know....

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Postby Bad Bob » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:46 pm

I thought Alonso and Stevie worked fairly well again today.  It was a bit of a challenge for them up against a 5 man midfield + a striker (Zaki) who's taken a page out of the Kuyt book of pressing the ball.  Throw in the fact that neither Pennant nor Riera are renowned for their tracking back and it was always going to be a challenging day at the office.  That said, Xabi controlled tempo nicely and Gerrard picked the right times to sit or drive forward.  Having a willing ball-carrier in Agger also helped them immensely, IMO.  He was almost a 3rd central midfielder at times (hence Paul's thread :D ).
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Postby Bam » Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:24 am

TBH I didnt think Alonso or Gerrard were that good today, thats my personal opinion. Although out of the two Alonso was the better.
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Postby skatesy » Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:38 am

Bam wrote:TBH I didnt think Alonso or Gerrard were that good today, thats my personal opinion. Although out of the two Alonso was the better.

The second half was a different story. In terms of the first half, sure out midfield was pretty absent. However, Gerrard and Alonso had a great second half.
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