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by **66-1112520797** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:41 am

1/ I'm not emotional because I met Alonso in a pub, he's only the 42th international player of my town --forty two- so one's quite used to meet international, let alone primera players in my town.

Wow-wee, your my hero.

2/ I thinking he's very good, or you thinking he's been low are opinions of posters. Mine is biased, yours is biased. If for instance you ask who is better in my country, Barry or ALonso, half of them will say who the fúck is Barry, and the other half will laugh. So, as you see, you're obviously biased to your UK born player. We all have a bias, and your problem is that you think it's only me who has a biased view.

WRONG lad. There is no biased here, I couldnt care whether Barry as Spanish, African or Marshan. It makes no difference to me. I know English players are generally overated and whatever, but I sincerely believe on footballing terms Barry will offer us more going forward. If you dont know or cannot see that you ARE BIASED, simple as.

Nobody in England knew who Xabi was before he came here, but that didnt bother me in the same way the majority of Spanish people know who Barry is. Its not a popularity contest and the Spanish arent some kind of footballing (gods of knowledgeable people). Saying if they havent heard of him .. HE MUST BE C.RAP. :laugh:

3/ In point 2 I've talked about personal opinions. But the kind of team that makes offers for a player is a good indicator of how good is a player. That is, if what you say would be just about right, Alonso wouldn't have played much under a manager who doesn't hesitate to drop players, and second, the kind of team interested wouldn't be Juventus, but West Ham.

But it appears the manager is on the verge of selling him, not just dropping him. Plus he wasnt getting a look in when Rafa played a 4-4-2 as Mascha was picked ahead of him.

So, I hope you get right your own emotions with Mascherano and Gerrard before telling other posters here they're biased and emotional.

They are qualitry players and I'm only biased because I want whats best for LFC. Oh and Mascha isnt English hes an Argie so I must be biased towards them aswell ... FFS !

In the middle we don't need anything with Gerrard, Mascherano and lucas as a base of midfield. You can bring Barry, and he could be a good backup of Mascherano, but he wouldn't improve anything.

I'm sure you've stated on here you know nothing about Barry, because your Spanish and nobodys heard of hime over there lol. Yet you've come to the conclusion he wouldnt improve anything ......... Funny that.

PS, IF we sell Alonso go and have a cry let it all out and come back and post when your head is clear, oh but wait a minute maybe then though you'll start supporting Juve.

:;):

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:23 am

Bamaga man wrote:WRONG lad. There is no biased here, I couldnt care whether Barry as Spanish, African or Marshan. It makes no difference to me. I know English players are generally overated and whatever, but I sincerely believe on footballing terms Barry will offer us more going forward. If you dont know or cannot see that you ARE BIASED, simple as.

Yeah, come on Sabre--that's bang out of order. The BM is Aussie now, which means he's only biased when discussing Harry Kewell. :laugh:

by **66-1112520797** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:24 am

Bad Bob wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:WRONG lad. There is no biased here, I couldnt care whether Barry as Spanish, African or Marshan. It makes no difference to me. I know English players are generally overated and whatever, but I sincerely believe on footballing terms Barry will offer us more going forward. If you dont know or cannot see that you ARE BIASED, simple as.

Yeah, come on Sabre--that's bang out of order. The BM is Aussie now, which means he's only biased when discussing Harry Kewell.

Stand up comedian you are not. :talktothehand

by **maguskwt** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:40 am

Bad Bob wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:WRONG lad. There is no biased here, I couldnt care whether Barry as Spanish, African or Marshan. It makes no difference to me. I know English players are generally overated and whatever, but I sincerely believe on footballing terms Barry will offer us more going forward. If you dont know or cannot see that you ARE BIASED, simple as.

Yeah, come on Sabre--that's bang out of order. The BM is Aussie now, which means he's only biased when discussing Harry Kewell.

Harry Kewell...

btw... is he gone now?

by **SupitsJonF** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:09 am

Unneeded post, my apologies.

But seriously, in case you saw it. Cool down.

by **Sabre** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:25 pm

WRONG lad. There is no biased here, I couldnt care whether Barry as Spanish, African or Marshan. It makes no difference to me. I know English players are generally overated and whatever, but I sincerely believe on footballing terms Barry will offer us more going forward.

You're so insular lad, that is, you have such a lack of scope and perspective, that you're funny.

So, you think you're not biased, but you find safe to say that others are biased.

If you dont know or cannot see that you ARE BIASED, simple as.

As I say, insular as fúck. You're less bright than a smuggling boat. So if another fan doesn't agree on your opinion of a player then he's biased.

Ah well.

Classic.

by **Number 9** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:26 pm

Sabre wrote:
WRONG lad. There is no biased here, I couldnt care whether Barry as Spanish, African or Marshan. It makes no difference to me. I know English players are generally overated and whatever, but I sincerely believe on footballing terms Barry will offer us more going forward.

You're so insular lad, that is, you have such a lack of scope and perspective, that you're funny.

So, you think you're not biased, but you find safe to say that others are biased.

If you dont know or cannot see that you ARE BIASED, simple as.

As I say, insular as fúck. You're less bright than a smuggling boat. So if another fan doesn't agree on your opinion of a player then he's biased.

Ah well.

Classic.

Less bright than a smuggling boat!

by **66-1112520797** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:38 pm

So, you think you're not biased, but you find safe to say that others are biased.

Definately not. I rate Torres, Mascha and Gerrard as three quality players all of which are different nationalities. I rate Skertel amd Agger too, yet again different nationalities. So no I'm not biased, well mybe only to Liverpool players.

As I say, insular as fúck. You're less bright than a smuggling boat. So if another fan doesn't agree on your opinion of a player then he's biased.

I'm not the one who lets my emotions of a man get in the way of football. I think theres more than just a rainbow in you if you get my drift. :;):

BTW, why couldnt you argue the fact you've never seen Barry play, but somehow know he wont be an improvement on our team ?
At least if your going try and insult me on personel terms, at least have some football opinions to back it up with, so I can have a real laugh at.

Classic.

by **Sabre** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:52 pm

BTW, why couldnt you argue the fact you've never seen Barry play, but somehow know he wont be an improvement on our team ?
At least if your going try and insult me on personel terms, at least have some football opinions to back it up with, so I can have a real laugh at.

Oh, I must have seen Barry play, since I haven't missed any of Liverpool's gamesf these years -- and in fact, I comment those here.

While some opposition players catch my attention, like that Joe Cole Barry mentions, Barry must have been very unimpressive against us, since I didn't recall much of his game. Only vague, unimpressive details spring to my mind when "Barry" comes to mind.

Bamaga, don't get it too personal, you just caught me on a bad Monday and I decided to have a go at your lack of football knowledge and general scope, but no need to click the report button mate

Tomorrow I'll be the normal Sabre.

Just get the point: Do not make comments on poster's bias, or dismissing this forum girl's opinions saying they like a player because he's pretty, or if someone has a bad day, they might answer back. It's you who started the comments on posters, as usual, so run to the mods and report it, if what you want here is real laughs.

I think you'll get the main point I've written. Even without a calculator. :laugh:

by **banana** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:35 pm

Sabre wrote:
BTW, why couldnt you argue the fact you've never seen Barry play, but somehow know he wont be an improvement on our team ?
At least if your going try and insult me on personel terms, at least have some football opinions to back it up with, so I can have a real laugh at.

Oh, I must have seen Barry play, since I haven't missed any of Liverpool's gamesf these years -- and in fact, I comment those here.

While some opposition players catch my attention, like that Joe Cole Barry mentions, Barry must have been very unimpressive against us, since I didn't recall much of his game. Only vague, unimpressive details spring to my mind when "Barry" comes to mind.

Bamaga, don't get it too personal, you just caught me on a bad Monday and I decided to have a go at your lack of football knowledge and general scope, but no need to click the report button mate Tomorrow I'll be the normal Sabre.

Just get the point: Do not make comments on poster's bias, or dismissing this forum girl's opinions saying they like a player because he's pretty, or if someone has a bad day, they might answer back. It's you who started the comments on posters, as usual, so run to the mods and report it, if what you want here is real laughs.

I think you'll get the main point I've written. Even without a calculator.

I support Sabre here.

Personally I can not understand why some people say Barry gives us more than Alonso. Barry has never played for a top team, never really played in europe and never been part of a World Cup or European Cup.

So what he will ACTUALLY offer is uncertain.

What Xabi Alonso offers on the other hand is proven quality at the very highest level of football. At the very best Barry will be marginally better. And taking that risk is ridiculous.

My prediction is that if we swap Barry for Alonso we will suffer big time.

I look forward to talking about this in 8 months time if Alonso is swapped for Bary. Just as I doubted both Morientes and Kuyt, I do indeed doubt Barry.

by **JC_81** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:47 pm

Bamaga man wrote:It seems a few people on here are coming accross very emotional at the prospect of selling Alonso. Maybe its because you met him in a Pub and he was very loyal to his fans and club, or maybe some of the female variety on here just think hes good looking and want hime to stay. Or maybe its that they genuinely believe he is a great player that will help us win the league one day.

But the truth of the matter is his form has dropped considerably and currently Barry for me looks the better of the two on form. Now I know form isnt permanent, but surely for the good of the club LFC cannot keep a position in thef irst team open for three years in hope that San Sebastians little man will regain his form. Its whats better for LFC not whats better for Xabi Alonso.

I think purely footballing wise that Barry would add much more to our midfield than Alonso does. Like Big Mick says Alonsos downfall (for me aswell) is his reluctance to move 15-20 yards up the field more and help out in attacking areas. I see Taff regarded him as a playmaker, and that for me couldnt be anymore further from the truth, yes he can dictate the tempo of a game blah blah blah, but that doesnt mean hes a playmaker. Barry has what Alonso doesnt, and thats the urge to time a run into the box, to get up and support the players infront of him. Plus like Alonso he can pick out a pass but also IMO he is stronger in the challenge and I think physically fitter than Xabi.

All in all Barry will give us what Xabi hasnt in the last few seasons, and thats breaking out of that comfort zone that Xabi takes up on the pitch an offer us and support the likes of Gerrard and Torres in attack better.

So if the Barry deal can be met by LFC and Villa, we should sell Alonso to the highest bidder, presuming of course there is genuinely more than one team interested in him, even if thats Chelsea then so be it.

Fu.ck me, I actually find myself agreeing with BM here.

Have said it for ages I reckon Barry is a better shout than Alonso. For those that don't agree... tough. Because it looks like it's going to happen. I'll be very surprised if:

1) Barry is not a Liverpool player by the start of next season.
2) Alonso is Liverpool player at the start of next season.

I don't think Barry is quite worth the 14 million we are going to have to pay for him, but equally I don't think Alonso is worth the money we're asking Juve to pay for him.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:52 pm

To say your not biased where Alonso is concerned Sabre is imo a bit of an untruth mate. Then again I think most, if not all of us are a little bit biased where certain players are concerned. We all have players we like and rate more than others. I always rated Kewell much more than most on here(and I am not Australian

), and tried my best to defend him (unsuccessfully). If you searched hard enough I am sure you will find someone who still thinks Voronin will come good next season!

I don't think it comes as a surprise to anyone that you have posted the most in this thread mate, you have every right to defend Alonso, and you have done in every Alonso thread I have seen!

At the end of the day its not up to you or Bamaga whether Alonso stays is it? Its just opinions on a website that don't really matter a damn (Or Kaka would have been signed long ago

) Its what Rafa thinks that counts, and either for money or because he thinks Barry will provide something different, it appears Rafa is willing to sell Alonso.

Bamaga knows his football Sabre, as I am sure you do too mate, besides you never know, Juventus may read his comments and buy Barry instead

by **Sabre** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:07 pm

To say your not biased where Alonso is concerned Sabre is imo a bit of an untruth mate.

Unfair. First and mostly, because I know what's going on my head better than anybody!

I know telling a player of my town who's cáck. If we were to buy Garrido, I'd warn you not to!!!! And if he really came here and defended as he uses to, I'd make your comments on Alonso soft in comparison. I know to give stick to a player of my neighbourhood! I've done it all my life!

I'm just unlucky that out of a generation of RS players that mostly are unconvincing, Alonso is one of the few I really like. I'd like him as a player in Real Madrid, but not that I'd download Madrid's games or Juventus game to watch him!

Look Torres, do you honestly think that nowadays I care he comes from a club I hate? No. You leave that aside, and you learn to admire and love the player, because he's playing great for *this* club.

THAT SAID.

You, or John Craig or Bamaga for that matter having an opinion about Alonso is FAIR ENOUGH AND RESPECTABLE.

Some of us will think Alonso is better, others will think they're similar, and others will think Barry is better.

But do not doubt my ability to leave feelings aside, because I'm very good at that. Do you see me being an Anti Rafa because Alonso might be off? NO!!! because I'm not biased to Alonso and I understand that a big sum for us might benefit the team, which is the point.

In a nutshell: As far as we say our opinions with some respect and we don't dismiss other opinions saying we're biased or in love with them, I don't have any sort of trouble with any opinion on Alonso. Of course, if someone says he's shíte, I'll defend the player just I defend Crouch when someone says that.

I don't think it comes as a surprise to anyone that you have posted the most in this thread mate, you have every right to defend Alonso, and you have done in every Alonso thread I have seen!

At this point I must remind you mate that in every discussion there's two sides, and in those discussions I had the same regular posters on the other side of the discussion!

Bamaga was very active in the Alonso discussions yesteryear, wasn't he?

By that, I should conclude that they're biased against Alonso, but I don't, I'm simply discussing with people that doesn't like the player that much, which is nice.

P.S. Banana, Crazyhorse, BadBob and Lando are not Spaniards nor girls in love with Alonso, yet they like Alonso a lot. :rasp

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:47 pm

andy_g wrote:the more it drags on, despite there not being any real developments, the more i warm to the idea of barry coming in. whether xabi stays or goes as a result or as a cause is secondary. the discussion about who is the better player can go on and on as each has different attributes - the discussion is more like a game of top trumps than an attempt to reach a definite truth.

we know for a fact that gerrard likes barry and wants to play alongside him at the club, and anything that will help gerrard play to the best of his abilities is obviously a boon for us. he seems to think that barry will help him more with this than alonso and he surely knows best in that respect. and maybe just this little refreshing of the midfield will have a greater effect than those just provided by the capabilities of the player. it'll give us some new things to work with and the presence of a genuine left footer will provide more tactical options and a wider range of approach play - something we have badly lacked. his left footedness also gives us an extra option on the left mid and another chance for rafa tweaky tweaky business - though maybe in this case freeing up babel to come more central or move right, and not relying on a defender such as riise or aurelio, will actually allow us to attack with a little more effective width. so whether he's in the middle or the left i'd see it as a bonus.

This pretty much sums up my feeling on the subject. I have been quite vocally concerned with the idea of selling Alonso and signing Barry as our prime bit of business this summer--not because I don't think Barry's a good footballer (I do) but because I don't think it's the area of the squad we need to focus on right now. That said, if selling Alonso frees up cash to go and buy a quality winger or striker (as recent reports seem to hint at) in addition to signing Barry, I think it's a decent bit of business.

Like Andy, I'm rapidly warming to the idea of bringing Barry in. In part that's because the deal seems certain to happen and imminent arrivals are always exciting. Mostly, though, it's because I think he will offer us some new and very useful options in midfield and because I expect that he'll slot in with a minimum of fuss. Will he offer more than Alonso? We'll have to wait and see. In fact, that's really a debate for another time--once we can make comparisons about what both have accomplished in a red shirt.

That said, I think Saint's point about everyone having particular affinity to certain players is bang on. For some of us, Xabi Alonso was that special player. Maybe we could relate to and appreciate the "deep lying playmaker" role. Maybe his quiet dignity and team ethic was what captured our respect. Maybe it was ramming home that 3rd goal in Istanbul that sealed it. There will no doubt be many reasons why some of us count Alonso amongst our favourite players. As such, maybe some of us might like to express our disappointment about his imminent departure without such views being dismissed as frivolous, myopic, slightly gay or what have you. :glare:

by **66-1112520797** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:32 am

Sabre wrote:
BTW, why couldnt you argue the fact you've never seen Barry play, but somehow know he wont be an improvement on our team ?
At least if your going try and insult me on personel terms, at least have some football opinions to back it up with, so I can have a real laugh at.

Oh, I must have seen Barry play, since I haven't missed any of Liverpool's gamesf these years -- and in fact, I comment those here.

While some opposition players catch my attention, like that Joe Cole Barry mentions, Barry must have been very unimpressive against us, since I didn't recall much of his game. Only vague, unimpressive details spring to my mind when "Barry" comes to mind.

Bamaga, don't get it too personal, you just caught me on a bad Monday and I decided to have a go at your lack of football knowledge and general scope, but no need to click the report button mate Tomorrow I'll be the normal Sabre.

Just get the point: Do not make comments on poster's bias, or dismissing this forum girl's opinions saying they like a player because he's pretty, or if someone has a bad day, they might answer back. It's you who started the comments on posters, as usual, so run to the mods and report it, if what you want here is real laughs.

I think you'll get the main point I've written. Even without a calculator.

Dont think I've ever reported anyone Sabre, its not my type of thing TBH.

Take the pi$$ all you want, and your girlfriend there 'Goofey Bob' likes to have the sly dig at me.

But I've noted its all personal and has nothing to do with football.

Funny that. I'd of expected good debate from you Sabre.

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