Liverpool FC Forum

bavlondon wrote:I agree certain parts of the system are messed up but siding with the right wing is no answer.

well the other wings are just thnigs up beyond repair (not saying id be right, but can see why thousands and thousands more are every day

dawson99 wrote:all people care about now is why do we have to work whilst someone from another country comes in with 15 family members, gets a barand spanking new house and a couple of free grand every month... its all money dude

Dazzer wrote:

dawson99 wrote:all people care about now is why do we have to work whilst someone from another country comes in with 15 family members, gets a barand spanking new house and a couple of free grand every month... its all money dude

Thats 100% untrue statement proof ?

My Partner works for the border force and I can tell you this isn't the case if you see some of the things she has seen you might not talk about things you don't understand.

Bad Bob wrote:Weren't you guys the world's dominant imperial/colonial for a few centuries there, sending tons of people around the world where they weren't wanted and messing about with existing political, economic and social structures in a fundamental way?  Perhaps this immigration problem you have can be filed under karma? 

dawson99 wrote:

Bad Bob wrote:Weren't you guys the world's dominant imperial/colonial for a few centuries there, sending tons of people around the world where they weren't wanted and messing about with existing political, economic and social structures in a fundamental way?  Perhaps this immigration problem you have can be filed under karma? 

LOL...now thats just stoopid, but you're a mixture of american and french so you're just weird.

Bad Bob wrote:Weren't you guys the world's dominant imperial/colonial for a few centuries there, sending tons of people around the world where they weren't wanted and messing about with existing political, economic and social structures in a fundamental way?  Perhaps this immigration problem you have can be filed under karma? 

Yeah its all Queen Victoria's fault

laza wrote:

Bad Bob wrote:Weren't you guys the world's dominant imperial/colonial for a few centuries there, sending tons of people around the world where they weren't wanted and messing about with existing political, economic and social structures in a fundamental way?  Perhaps this immigration problem you have can be filed under karma? 

Yeah its all Queen Victoria's fault

What a beyatch! 

Reg wrote:Steady bav........  found a great site http://www.populstat.info/

The population of the UK in 1800 at the height of our Empire building was 10.5 million. By 1900 when it was all over, we were at 35.4 million a sure sign of prosperity.

Our primary concern was India in which in 1800 had an amazing 255 million already but that includes Pakistan and Bangladesh, so a massive land area. China meanwhile in 1800 was at 295 mio.

South Africa by comparison, another strategic empire country had just 1 mio in 1868 their first attempt at a survey. 

You have to bear in mind population density, otherwise little Britains´s 10.5 million population couldnt have conquered the sea and the land being so widely and sparsely spread. On the whole, we administered not dominated by numbers.

With todays massively higher population densities, immigrant related friction starts more easily and is more difficult to control.

It will only become more difficult as world population numbers and densities continue to increase.

Fair point, Reg.  You didn't send massive numbers overseas even at the height of the British Empire.  You did, however, fundamentally transform the societies of these colonies, though--arguably on a much greater scale than the current transformation of British society at the hands of immigrants that the BNP and others seem so concerned about.  Political systems, economic relations, social structures, cultural practices even the basic geography of things like cities were affected by your colonial administrators in the colonies.

Just as significantly, the colonial period established the foundations for a commonwealth system that has since encouraged numerous 'colonials' to seek their education and often their livelihood in the UK, which seems a fair exchange for the way Britain has undoubtedly benefited from its imperial relationships.  Of course, recent concerns seem more focused on EU issues than Commonwealth issues but, there again, the UK has benefited from aligning itself with a powerful economic trading block.  From an outsider's perspective, it would seem that these benefits might overshadow some of the negatives associated with an influx of immigration.

I'm not trying to be glib here--massive influxes of immigrants create difficulties the world over and have done for a long time.  But, it's important, I think, to understand these influxes in their appropriate geo-historical context because they didn't just arise in a vacuum.

With all that said, I'm just some Canadian running his mouth at the end of the day and you can feel free to dismiss my outsider's perspective out of hand.  I won't take offense.