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by **Number 9** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:04 pm

Obviously its disgusting that such things take place in Iran!
Sharia law though is not embraced by the majority of Muslims,its not part of the religion as a whole now days!In fact most Muslims would be as appauled as us by its cruel ways.
The thread title is wrong,the thread is not about "religion" its about extremism and laws different to ours!
TBH I give up on the ways of the world.

We feel its OK to criticise such prehistoric executions but most in the west dont blink an eye when an unmanned drone drops a bomb and kills an insurgent when such bombs kill 20 innocent people for every "enemy" they kill..it gets written off as collateral damage and its forgot about!
This is just one of many examples of the hypocricy throughout the fuc'ked up planet we live on!

To me money and greed are the the evils in the world!People blame religion and politics but when you think deeper,both in most cases are merely a cloak and ££££ss are the real motive (obviously not in the case of Iran killing kids) but mostly!
Money and politics go hand in hand,politics are all about money!

Fuc'k it with a barge pole anyway....from saturday Football and beer are my religion! :buttrock

by **Reg** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:05 pm

dawson99 wrote:well im christian, we're the goodies, so i'm fine

I´m christian and a Liverpool supporter so I´m going straight to heaven.

by **dawson99** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:06 pm

Reg wrote:
dawson99 wrote:well im christian, we're the goodies, so i'm fine

I´m christian and a Liverpool supporter so I´m going straight to heaven.

i'll save u a seat dude :buttrock

by **Number 9** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:10 pm

dawson99 wrote:
Reg wrote:
dawson99 wrote:well im christian, we're the goodies, so i'm fine

I´m christian and a Liverpool supporter so I´m going straight to heaven.

i'll save u a seat dude

you have a one way ticket to unawsome HELL!! :devil:

by **Sabre** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:16 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Reg wrote:nationalism

Arguably, nationalism is a form of religion in its own right. With all of the positives and problems that go with it.

I can't disagree more, nationalism was born a lot later in history, and will perish much before religion dies.

I'll always remember what Colin, a Canadian friend of my sister told me once: "I'm not proud of being Canadian, I had to do nothing to be Canadian, and I'm only proud of the well done things I achieve". Clearly, not a nationalist.

Nationalism Bob, which I suffer and hate when it becomes too evident, hasn't half the positive things of religion, and is far more heart contaminating than religion. Of course, some nationalism have mixed the religion into the equation and made an explosive mixture, but I think nationalism is the root of most of my continent's problems.

Of course there are levels of nationalism, I don't see badly a man being proud of his country, I'm talking when nationalism gets nasty.

Sabes, you cant compare something today with 500 years ago, the world has moved on, become better educated, more sophisticated and we better understand our environment and position in society

Reg, I like your optimism, but I can't share it. I think we're perfectly capable of repeating mistakes of 100 or 500 years ago. Having a lot more chances to be educated, doesn't mean we're a lot more educated.

by **Reg** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:23 pm

Sabre wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Reg wrote:nationalism

Arguably, nationalism is a form of religion in its own right. With all of the positives and problems that go with it.

I can't disagree more, nationalism was born a lot later in history, and will perish much before religion dies.

Sabre answer this: 'What was the purpose of religion?'

then.... 'What was/is the purpose of nationalism?'.

How does Soviet communism under Stalin, Nazism under Hitler and the Catholic church in the 15/16th century differ?

All were bonded societies ruled with an iron fist, all persecuted non conformists, all sent our warriors to corrupt, destroy and replace non-friendly regimes and all were empire builders.

Of course nationalism is younger, thats because Lenin for example REPLACED religion with communist nationalism. The church in Italy did not oppose Mussolini, Rome did not protest the jew massacres. Why because they realised they would accelerate their own demise.

Religion only started being sweet fairly recently, until the pedos even spoiled that. How teh church has fallen from warlord to pedorast society.

by **JoeTerp** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:54 pm

its like the pedo part was always there, but not much worth reporting about when atrocities like that were probably common place throughout the world, and the church was doing much worse things or at least bad things on a bigger scale.

by **Madmax** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:56 pm

theres a recent pedo story about a priest in the papers..
:no

not on

by **Reg** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:00 pm

The Spanish inquest down central and south america that destroyed ancient civilisations was done in the name of the church. The same church being good and holy, split south america down the middle between Spain and Portugal, hence Brazil speaks Portuguese. Rome threw the Jesuits out of Paraguay because they were becoming too powerful and upsetting the Franciscans. The church was actively involve in trying to convert China to christianity. I´m not upset what they did, just illustrating that religion and nationalism are very closely linked.

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:13 am

Sabre wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Reg wrote:nationalism

Arguably, nationalism is a form of religion in its own right. With all of the positives and problems that go with it.

I can't disagree more, nationalism was born a lot later in history, and will perish much before religion dies.

I'll always remember what Colin, a Canadian friend of my sister told me once: "I'm not proud of being Canadian, I had to do nothing to be Canadian, and I'm only proud of the well done things I achieve". Clearly, not a nationalist.

Nationalism Bob, which I suffer and hate when it becomes too evident, hasn't half the positive things of religion, and is far more heart contaminating than religion. Of course, some nationalism have mixed the religion into the equation and made an explosive mixture, but I think nationalism is the root of most of my continent's problems.

Of course there are levels of nationalism, I don't see badly a man being proud of his country, I'm talking when nationalism gets nasty.

Sabes, you cant compare something today with 500 years ago, the world has moved on, become better educated, more sophisticated and we better understand our environment and position in society

Reg, I like your optimism, but I can't share it. I think we're perfectly capable of repeating mistakes of 100 or 500 years ago. Having a lot more chances to be educated, doesn't mean we're a lot more educated.

Sabre, I think it's definitely easier to see some positives to nationalism on this side of the Atlantic. In the case of Canada, it helps bind a multicultural, geographically dispersed and small population together to some degree. Of course, the separatists in Quebec remind us constantly about the darker side to nationalism but, save for a few mischievous moments in 1971, they've gone about their business peacefully and respectfully. With all that said, I certainly agree that the ugly side of nationalism is truly ugly and not one of humanity's great leaps forward.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:43 am

Reg wrote:The Spanish inquest down central and south america that destroyed ancient civilisations was done in the name of the church. The same church being good and holy, split south america down the middle between Spain and Portugal, hence Brazil speaks Portuguese. Rome threw the Jesuits out of Paraguay because they were becoming too powerful and upsetting the Franciscans. The church was actively involve in trying to convert China to christianity. I´m not upset what they did, just illustrating that religion and nationalism are very closely linked.

You can draw similarities to all major ideologies through the course of history. The fact is that none can exist without the other, and society as we know it just wouldn't exist without any.

by **JoeTerp** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:58 am

Emerald Red wrote:
Reg wrote:The Spanish inquest down central and south america that destroyed ancient civilisations was done in the name of the church. The same church being good and holy, split south america down the middle between Spain and Portugal, hence Brazil speaks Portuguese. Rome threw the Jesuits out of Paraguay because they were becoming too powerful and upsetting the Franciscans. The church was actively involve in trying to convert China to christianity. I´m not upset what they did, just illustrating that religion and nationalism are very closely linked.

You can draw similarities to all major ideologies through the course of history. The fact is that none can exist without the other, and society as we know it just wouldn't exist without any.

your right, everything would be a lot better.

by **Judge** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:49 am

Bammo wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:Got no time for it in my life.

In the name of God/Allah/Buddha/Odin* we must burn him!

*delete as applicable

Nah just kidding. I agree with you

buddism is more of a lifestyle than a religion

by **Judge** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:45 am

GYBS wrote:Just read this on another forum and its shocking to say the least and it makes me wonder what goes through peoples minds around the world - was lost for words about how disgusting it is

Executing virgins Iran Style

disgraceful by the iranians :angry:

by **andy_g** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:58 am

Judge wrote:buddism is more of a lifestyle than a religion

i would say that that's not actually true, judge. its not as well defined as the majority of other religions but it has its rituals, its deities, its taboos and its monasteries, and various other trappings of 'mainstream' religion. its practiced by milions around the world and is said to be the 4th largest religion in the world.

there are certain things that set it apart from the other accepted models of religion though, such as the fact that some follow it alongside another complementary belief system, and that many don't feel the need to take part in public ceremony.

there though many who do just follow it as a lifestyle choice, picking out the bits they like. the same as many who adopt certain aspects of christianity without actually being a practising christian.

i blame the beatles.

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