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by **GYBS** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:01 pm

Just read this on another forum and its shocking to say the least and it makes me wonder what goes through peoples minds around the world - was lost for words about how disgusting it is

Executing virgins Iran Style

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:28 pm

Shocking.

But in all fairness you can hardly taint all religion with the same brush as above.

It is true that Religion is the predominant cause of the majority of war and civil unrest but the above story is more than that. The practices in place above supersede Islam. I have Muslim friends who would feel equally disgusted at the twisted interpretation of their religion. The problem lies in evil people using religion as a justification of their actions.

by **GYBS** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:30 pm

yeah sorry wasnt tainting all religion as such but the last line you have said is spot on - evil people using religion as justification . spor on there mate

by **Bammo** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:59 pm

I read through the article and it's shocking stuff. I'd echo those comments about it not being the religion itself that is to blame. After all, Islam forbids the execution of virgins.

It's the sick people finding ways around that which is disgusting and should be stopped. The foundation of every major religion is peace, harmony and respect for fellow man and woman. Most historical figures who use religion as an excuse for brutality and war break their own religious and moral codes to do so.

The typical excuse is that the rules only apply to God's (or whatever they worship) people. Therefore non Christians/Muslims/Sikhs/Hindus etc can be tortured, maimed and murdered.

It's human nature - those in power believe the rules apply to everyone but themselves.

by **Sabre** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:15 pm

In Spain we conquered a continent in the name of God and the Pope, and we received the Pope's bless when we were going to sink english vessels.

But the true story is that we sank vessels and we conquered continents for the gold, money, and fame and control of the seas. What in a century was an enemy like England, the next century could be an truthful ally against the French. The religion had no importance. The English were fast to acknowledge that religion wasn't important, in fact they made up their own church when it suited well. THe English always were clever for those things.

Similarly those days, those who kill in the name of God have other things in their agenda. The religion is a pretext.

Religion for me, christianity for instance, is nice as long as they have given me some ideas of a IMHO revolutionary man. Without that, probably Jesus would have been lost in time.

I don't like the catholic traditions, I don't share concepts like don't make love until being married, I just like the message.

by **woof woof !** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:03 pm

The core of every religion contains some undeniably important ethical codes.

Unfortunately however throughout history "religion" has been used by the few to manipulate and control the usually poorly educated majority.

Got no time for it in my life.

by **Bammo** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:19 pm

woof woof ! wrote:Got no time for it in my life.

In the name of God/Allah/Buddha/Odin* we must burn him!

*delete as applicable

Nah just kidding. I agree with you :upside:

by **Reg** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:22 pm

Sabes, you cant compare something today with 500 years ago, the world has moved on, become better educated, more sophisticated and we better understand our environment and position in society. The mistakes of the last 500 - 100 even 70 years ago are extremely regrettable but taken in context of what was happening during that period, are in line with norms (except Hitlers actions).

What Iran has supposedly done in the article is highly offensive because it is not consistent with current nor period behavioural patterns and social norms. The excuse is Sharia law, another name for fascist absolute law that allows the ruling class (the Mad Mullahs) to rule through fear. We´ve seen it with the ancient greeks, romans, the spanish and british empires and of course during the 1930´s through 1945 and Stalinism extending after that. Sharia law protects and extends ignorance, maintains illiteracy and ensures the sole provider of news and direct - the mullah in the mosque retains control of his target audience, be it a village, city or nation. The internet is the anti-christ to sharia law plus 24 hour cable/sateillite tv which breaks the mullahs taboo, informs the people their ways are inconsistent with current norms and spreads the seeds of rebellion. Hence the recent attacks on Twitter and Facebook as governments prepare to 'fight back' next time their have social unrest and need to eradicate the flow of damaging information evidence from the distressed area to the free world media.

The rest is all :censored:

, not bonking until after marriage is an early attempt at birth control as were the 10 commandments - commonsense law really and the church was the mouth piece of then-society, as sharia tries to extend today.

by **JoeTerp** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:39 pm

all of these attacks in the name of religion are not neccessarily "misinterpretations" if anything, the people that think their religion is all peace talking all the time are the misinterpreters.

If I wasn't at work I would look for some video/quotes/essay/books from Sam Harris on the issue

by **Reg** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:44 pm

Of course it isnt Joe, religion since the beginning of time has been a regional control mechanism - either you're with us or against us.

Today we have more advanced forms of control (law), information dissemination and nationalism which replaces the need for religion.

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:48 pm

Reg wrote:nationalism

Arguably, nationalism is a form of religion in its own right. With all of the positives and problems that go with it. :devil:

by **tubby** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:56 pm

Why are these kids executed in the first place, just for getting into trouble?

This is barbaric but it happens.

by **Madmax** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:03 pm

Reg wrote:Of course it isnt Joe, religion since the beginning of time has been a regional control mechanism - either you're with us or against us.

Today we have more advanced forms of control (law), information dissemination and nationalism which replaces the need for religion.

Yeah and its this control that jumps into other countries, counquers them and implements its laws.. Its modern warfare and its the same as the slogan you mentioned "your either with us or against us"! Thats Democracy...

Not aginst it but just saying its a modern empire just like empires before. Obviously they were more brutal but in essence as for taking control its the same.

by **dawson99** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:29 pm

well im christian, we're the goodies, so i'm fine :cool:

by **LFC2007** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:19 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:It is true that Religion is the predominant cause of the majority of war and civil unrest but the above story is more than that.

I don't think there's much you can take from that comment because it's also true that throughout history the majority of peoples have been religious. It's still the case today.

The fact that the vast majority of people who practice religion are peaceful is enough to suggest that the causes of conflicts aren't anything like as clear-cut as statements such as those seem to suggest.

It's human nature - those in power believe the rules apply to everyone but themselves.

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