Liverpool FC Forum

peewee wrote:I wasn't online but no doubt at some point I will get blamed 

bigmick wrote:

Ciggy wrote:This forum doesnt need people like them.

That's just it though Lynds, I think the forum is at its very best precisely WHEN it has a variance of views. The fella Ace who got banned, I've read his post about six times now and I can't for the life of me see why it has to warrant the action which was taken. I can see quite clearly why it would wind people up, I can obviously see why many people get annoyed when they read, but at the end of the day he's voicing a legitimate opinion.

Was it wise to go onto a thread which had been started to bemoan the fact (I think it's a fact and always have) that man Utd get preferential treatment from refs? Probably not. Should he have expected some flak? Probably yes.

Essentially though, he was saying it would be kidding ourselves to conclude that the reason we won't win the title (if indeed we don't) is because the refs conspired against us. As I say, probably not the wisest time to come out with that (which is why like Owzat I stay out of all emotional discussions these days) but it's not THAT controversial. Even if it is, even if everybody disagrees with him, I don't buy into this idea then that it should be a free for all against him or any other poster.

He also said that the best team always wins the league. That's as old as the hills that one, and broadly I agree with him. They aren't the best team at the moment (I think we are) but when they won fifteen games on the bounce or whatever the feck it was, they were then and over the course of the season, if they win it they will claim they have been. 

I don't know, it just seems a shame to me that one side of the debate constantly gets on the wrong side of cards. Ultimately, if there's nobody to argue with the forum will cease to be interesting to anybody.

bigmick wrote:I don't know, it just seems a shame to me that one side of the debate constantly gets on the wrong side of cards.

Are you high? How many cards have the "pro's" received?

A damn sight more than those precious luvvies.

bigmick wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:I know i argue an moan on here sometimes, but i am not a bully an last nights shennanigans had nothing to do with disagreeing over football , it became personel

It always becomes personal, and it always descends into total nonsense. People get carried away I've done it myself, and when you read it back the following day it doesn't make anyone proud I shouldn't think.

The one element of the thing which leaves a taste in my mouth is the kind of pack metality thing which develops. It becomes almost like a witch hunt as one poster accuseds another of "being a Manc" and suddenly the pack turns upon him. Old scores are brought into the arena, sides are taken and it becomes a full scale barney.

So it's perfectly acceptable for Ace, Heimdall, The Rock, peewee, Bam et al to jump on me whenever I reply to any one of them?

Stop talking out of your a*se, you daft old bogger.

drittsekk_mods wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:Ace was on a wind up pure and simple . He new it ,we new it and the mods new , result banned . Rightly so imo .








Just wish that Basque trouble maker would get banned aswell .















Only messin Ivan lash.

Shame he can't defend himself to that accusation eh?

So whenever someone has a different view to you are they always idiots, WUM's or glory hunters?

How gloriously simple your world must be with such clearly defined black and white.

Why are you guys so scared of a differing view, and if you are why do you join an open forum. It baffles me, it truly does.

You're scared of my views as you don't like them.

Surely this is the same thing? You insult, albeit in a much gayer way than I, but you do.

If you wish to give it, take it.



Simples.

Lando_Griffin wrote:

bigmick wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:I know i argue an moan on here sometimes, but i am not a bully an last nights shennanigans had nothing to do with disagreeing over football , it became personel

It always becomes personal, and it always descends into total nonsense. People get carried away I've done it myself, and when you read it back the following day it doesn't make anyone proud I shouldn't think.

The one element of the thing which leaves a taste in my mouth is the kind of pack metality thing which develops. It becomes almost like a witch hunt as one poster accuseds another of "being a Manc" and suddenly the pack turns upon him. Old scores are brought into the arena, sides are taken and it becomes a full scale barney.

So it's perfectly acceptable for Ace, Heimdall, The Rock, peewee, Bam et al to jump on me whenever I reply to any one of them?

Stop talking out of your a*se, you daft old bogger.

rafatheman wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:An who may i ask made it personal with me, A pm i did not like an would not of liked whoever it was sent to, turned into me being called a liar an a bully, See thats the difference you have come on here an openly stated i deserved a card an i admire that because you said it openly, its the sneaky pms i cant abide, Thats why if ive got something to say ill say it so everyone can see, not were things can be twisted in pms, i can honestly say hand on heart i have never sent a bad pm to anyone on here , ive sent one apologising if i have offended them, an maybe to some i do deserve a card but what i said was how i was feeling. And i would of said the same thing about whoever that pm was about. I found it disgusting but maybe thats just me

Heimdall does not really have a problem with you Nanny but a simple apology explaining that you got the wrong end of the stick or explaning how the PM Heimdall received was not the one you were referring to would have solved the problem but instead you went on the defensive and got quite abusive yurself.

Heimdall has never sent nasty PM's actually he has never sent abusive posts although he has received many himself. If you can stand by and not be disgusted by the posts from Ciggy directed at Heimdall yet act totally offended by the post LegBarnes sent then sorry but you are a liar and a hypocrite. I am willing to bet that you got swept up in the moment and couldn't back down, that is fair enough it happens. The injustice here is the banning of LegBArnes and Heimdall and non-banning of a member who threatened violence, Number 9.

It would also make such a nice change to actually have a moderator with the courage to explain why they ban certain people instead of just cowardly hiding behind their smug facade. Never has the term "Little Hitler" been better demonstrated than by the moderator's on this forum.

Heil Mods 

bigmick wrote:

GYBS wrote:

bigmick wrote:

GYBS wrote:So i dont think those people were carded because they are anti rafa etc .

To the best of my knowledge, nobody said they were.

Mick read your first post - you are talking about the fact three people from the anti rafa group got banned - but it had nothing to do with them being anti rafa so why mention it ?

Rather than me re-reading it, it might be better if you go re-read it GYBS. While you're doing that, I'll re-write it to make my point better.

As Andy said earlier, nobody it seemed to me covered themselves in glory in the whole exchange the other day. As is often the case lately, there was abuse, bile, this time threats of physical violence, not even implied in the "don't feck with me" sense but adresses being given out, challenges being offered and accepted. Much was made of a pm and how out of order it was, whereas some people didn't think it was in comparison to some recent abuse on the open forum etc etc etc etc. People were called WUM's, Mancs, not Liverpool fans, c...s, bullies, liars and all sorts. From my read on it, one side of the fence was dishing out significantly more abuse than the other but anyway it's not the point, good people didn't have their best day.

At the end of it all, a fella who posted that he didn't think the refereeing decisions had cost us the title, our inability to pick up enough points earlier in the season had, was banned. He was banned because he's not a real fan, is a WUM etc. There were posters openly calling for his ban mid exchange "ban this c... now" etc. Three other posters were banned, all from one side of the argument.

My point was in the original post that the rules are applied differently depending on who is breaking them, which is natural in some respects. If you were in your local and you spent bundles in there, you wouldn't expect to be barred if you got slightly out of order one night. Go into town and behave like a d!ckhead when you've never shown your face in a gaff before and it might be different. That's all good. Some leniency is shown (and rightly so) towards some long standing members who cross the line on occasions. All good so far, and I've got no problem with any of that. Other posters however aren't shown the same leniency, which is where it becomes unfair IMHO. Had Peewee, or Bam, or Stu the Red or young Bill carried on like that, they'd have been banned in the blink of an eye. Heimdall takes absolute dogs abuse and gets banned for it for instance, while the fella who caused the initial situation who is also a long time Rafa sceptic, is banned also.

So in my eyes, yes it does have an impact (which side of certain fences you sit on) on the way rules are interpreted. I don't think FWIW that it is deliberate on the part of the mods, but I do think that anyone who looked at exchanges over the last few months would find it difficult to come to a different conclusion.

It's not often these days I agree with Magnus, but he is on the money here.

Let's look at all that in another, more accurate way:

"They're all c*nts who deserve to be banned."

I prefer my way...

Sabre wrote:

Just wish that Basque trouble maker would get banned aswell .

Fascist!!



Basque troublemaker. 

  look at the cheap carton of wine you can buy for a euro in the Aldi