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Top · by **simolonge** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:04 pm

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/

Top · by **Sabre** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:42 pm

That site is as if Stu started his own blog!! Nah, Stu is a true red, he'd be critic, but would never slag Stevie the way that guy does, nor would he árse lick Ferguson.

The best bit is how the site is labeled itself "critical realism".

That's something I translate as "I'm going to give stick, my view is correct, yours is not realist".

The site is so critical I'm still doubting it's taking the píss (just read an article), but it's a very interesting site inded!

Top · by **fivecups** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:57 pm

Very interesting site - just read the article Sabre posted and look forward to reading some of the other posts. As you know Im strongly pro Rafa however I find the polarisation that he causes in Liverpool's support very interesting. There are strong arguements on either side and most fans know that it's not a black and white/ either or issue.

Top · by **Sabre** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:00 am

Critical realism, for those who can handle the truth

Cut the spin, Rafa: Robbie Keane 'failed' at Anfield because YOU stabbed him in the back

Steven Gerrard: Still a shameless diver, but the so-called 'fans' who applaud him for it are so much worse

When is Rafa Benitez's blatant and damaging favouritism towards Dirk Kuyt going to end?

I wonder if that site is hosted in Norway.

Top · by **Sabre** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:01 am

Critical realism -- He's right. You know that.

Top · by **Greavesie** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:03 am

what the hell is this site, some kind of joke, or am I completely missing the point?

Top · by **NANNY RED** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:15 am

This is from a manc blog an its talking to some fella from that site, i cant believe as a Liverpool supporter hes even admitting any negatives to them. Id be banned off there in five minutes. Is this lad for real respect for fergie an Gollum. An ffs he even knew Rafa was bad for us from day one ,

March 17th, 2009

Reaction From The EnemyFollowing our humiliating defeat, I’ve had a few words with Liverpool fan Jaimie Kanwar from Liverpool Kop, to balance the opinion of Liverpool fans we have on this blog over the past few days. Guaranteed he will not mention Munich once and his opinions may surprise you.

RoM: So, after Saturday, how do you rate your title chances?

JM: As great as the victory was, Liverpool’s title chances have not improved. This is not pessimism, it is realism, and the euphoria of an almost perfect footballing week should not obscure the fact that this year’s Premiership title was there for the taking before Liverpool spectacularly blew it. United started badly; Chelsea and Arsenal were both in transition and Liverpool were quickly flying high. Predictably though, Rafa Benitez’s ultra-cautious approach, nonsensical team selections, needless public griping and spurious personal agenda conspired to derail the club’s forward progress. In short, Benitez is the reason Liverpool are out of the title race yet again. The Premiership is still United’s to lose, and barring an absolutely catastrophic collapse, the title is regrettably heading back to Old Trafford.

RoM: Who was your man of the match (other than Vidic, obviously!)?

JM: Fernando Torres without a doubt. The Spaniard produced a masterclass of devastatingly effective forward play and was a constant threat to the best defence in the league. Special mention also to my favourite player, Sami Hyypia, who continues to produce outstanding performances at the heart of Liverpool’s defence. A true legend and a true gentleman.

RoM: Liverpool fans sarcastically sung “He’s crackin up!” back to us before the final whistle. Are they right to back him?

JK: I’m sure many fans see it as their duty to back the manager irrespective of the problems surrounding the club, and that is, of course, their prerogative. In public, many fans will put on a united front, but I know that privately, many fans – myself included - have serious doubts about Benitez’s ability to bring the title back to Anfield. In my case, I have maintained since the day Benitez was appointed that he was the wrong man for Liverpool in terms of winning the title, and thus far, I have been proved right. I do not hide the fact that I am in favour of managerial change at the end of the season. Benitez’s selfish personal agenda, constant public politicking, endless moaning in the media, appalling treatment of players (and damaging favouritism for certain players), inexplicable rotation policy and depressingly cautious approach have conspired to stunt the club’s forward progress on the pitch.

RoM: What did you think about Rafa’s ‘facts’ speech?

JK: Utterly ridiculous, self-indulgent, completely pointless, cretinously ill-timed and totally unbecoming the conduct expected of a Liverpool manager. Nothing positive came from Benitez’s rant and Liverpool’s form on the pitch suffered as a result. Furthermore, Benitez displayed his incredible naiveté by basically falling into Fergie’s mind-games trap, only he didn’t fall, he jumped in head first!

RoM: Steven Gerrard kissed his badge after he scored the penalty. How does it make you feel when you see him do that?

JK: If I felt it was genuine and heartfelt, then I would feel good about it, but considering he’s spent the best part of his Liverpool career selfishly pointing to the name on the back of his shirt when he scores, I’ll take his sincerity with a pinch of salt.
Perhaps I’m being a little harsh – I suppose the fact that Gerrard has stayed with Liverpool for another four years after the dual Chelsea debacle of 2004/2005 counts for something. His stunning lack of loyalty during those two Chelsea approaches has changed my view of him forever, hence my cynicism above. I mean, here was a 23 year old Liverpudlian, blessed with the ultimate privilege of captaining his hometown club, something millions of fans could only dream of achieving. All we heard from Gerrard was how much he loved the club and blah blah blah. Yet as soon as Chelsea flashed some cash, his head was turned, not once but TWICE. Once is understandable, if not condonable; twice is unforgivable, and makes a mockery of his apparent love for the club. Bottom line: Someone who genuinely loves the club, does not try and leave twice.

RoM: Who do you hate more - us or Everton?

JK: I don’t hate either club. I know this will be anathema to most Liverpool fans but I have a healthy respect for both Man United and Everton. Of course, this means I cannot be a proper fan. In order to be a proper fan I should be slagging off Fergie, Ferdinand et al and cursing Moyes and coming up with all sorts of offensive nicknames. For me though, such behaviour is the mark of the lowest common dominator type of fan. Friendly banter is one thing, but nasty yob-like personal attacks are pathetic. In my view, real fans respect the opposition; criticise when it is necessary, give praise where it’s due and have the ability to assess contentious issues objectively, instead of being unfairly biased toward the club they support. If Gerrard dives, fans should have the balls the admit it. Same goes for Ronaldo. If Liverpool get a penalty at Goodison that is blatantly not a penalty, the fans should admit it, not just accept it because it gives the team an advantage.
If I had to choose though, I’d say United, purely because of the never-ending succession of unlikeable players you seem to attract, i.e. the likes of Ronaldo, Rooney, Ferdinand, the Nevilles etc.
When it comes to Everton though, I have lots of time for David Moyes, who I believe is one of the best managers in the league.

RoM: What would Liverpool have to do this season for you to class it as a good one?

JK: Drop the cautious approach and ridiculous team selections that have blighted much of this season and go for broke in every game from now on. This means no more playing ‘not to lose’, no more league draws (10 already – unacceptable), and no more taking the foot off the pedal during games. Bottom line: Champions League final and second in the league, culminating in Rafa taking his tiresome roadshow to Madrid and Liverpool appointing Martin O’ Neill.

RoM: Would you like Wayne Rooney at your club (if he didn’t ‘hate’ you)?

JK: Absolutely not. Rooney is as far away from a ‘Liverpool-type player’ as it is possible to be. His attitude on the pitch is a disgrace and he is a terrible role model for youngsters hooked on football. For me, talent is not enough – a footballer’s character and attitude are just as important, which is the principal reason I have such a problem with Gerrard. Rooney is incompatible with Liverpool FC’s Shankly-led, socialist philosophy, the very thing that drew me to the club in the first place.

RoM: How do you feel about the possibility of us matching your 18 titles this season?

JK: Sick to the stomach. It should never have been allowed to happen but, regrettably, it seems like it will happen very soon. Despite this impending dark day in Liverpool’s history, I have nothing but respect for Alex Ferguson and his tenure as United boss. His aim all along has been to smash Liverpool’s dominance and he has certainly achieved that. Rivalries aside, he is quite simply the greatest club manager in world football today. Still only the 4th best manager in British history though, after Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley and Kenny Dalglish

RoM: Would you seriously consider emigrating if we win all five?
JK: I won’t have to consider it because it’s never going to happen!
Author:

Im :censored:

fumin readin some of his comments.

Top · by **Sabre** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:31 am

Fuming?

The lad is a very interesting internet specimen. The kind of blogger that answers to forums from his blog!

If you look at the cloud tag in the left Nanny, pick Alonso, you'll find how he told things "as it is", critical realism to explain why Alonso was playing badly

Why Rafael Benitez is to blame for the downfall of Xabi Alonso

Was his explanation back then. I should have considered it in my defence of Alonso

Has Rafa's injury gamble ended Xabi Alonso's Anfield career?

Rafael Benitez’s fatal decision to rush Xabi Alonso back from injury earlier this season may have a profound and unwanted effect on the Spanish playmaker's Liverpool future.

Real concerns, realistic criticism.
:laugh:

Top · by **NANNY RED** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:37 am

Hes a

hillbilly Sabes not a clue in other words :laugh:

How can you say to someone on a manc forum that you have respect for Fergie, How can you critisise Stevie at all , yes we do it an we all argue but we all support the same ream, i would never ever say anything even remotly derogatory about my team or any of our players to a manc, I would defend them to the hilt even if they were s.*i*e, i think hes a disgrace tbh

Top · by **Sabre** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:44 am

He complains about the insults he gets at forums, yet, he doesn't have problems to respect Manchester United.

After all they do not insult the Liverpool fans where it matters, in the stadium, and captured by the tv, no?. It's much more insulting some gutter fans insult him in a forum. First things first.

Top · by **fivecups** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:51 am

Further comments following that interview - the more I read the more his credibility is falling:

2. I have never once stated that ‘Gerrard is :censored:

’ - that is just typical simplistic misrepresentation. My main problem with him is not ability but attitude, character, demeanour and lack of leadership ability. Furthermore, I have always maintained - and still do - that Gerrard cannot be considered truly world class until he has performed on the international stage, i.e. in a major tournament for England. Gerrard has *never* done the business for England at the world cup or Euros, and he has had plenty of opportunities to do so.

’ve actually been banned from two Liverpool sites: ThisIsAnfield and SixCrazy Minutes. Why is that something to be ashamed of?! It just proves that unless you tow the party line set by rabid self-appointed superfans, you’ll be silenced.

The fact is, the so-called fans on those sites simply couldn’t hack the (fair) criticism of their golden boy, Steven Gerrard; and instead of debating the issue, they chose censorship instead. Hardly surprising though, since it’s the way of the world!

Has anyone had any experience with Jaimie Kanwar on other forums? He's never posted on here as far as I know?

Top · by **NANNY RED** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:54 am

Jamie KANWAR

WANKAR :nod

ive never heard of the wankar before :laugh:

Top · by **Sabre** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:01 am

I reckon he'd end up banned here too.

The first days he'd post some anti Rafa stuff. He'd be insulted, and he'd be protected from abuse.

So he'd feel comfortable, post about 20 or 30 posts more and at some point, start his shíte about Gerrard, he'd get abuse, he'd answer because it's that kind of guy, and he'd start getting cards.

The alternative is him talking shíte about Gerrard since post one, in which case he'd probably banned straight away.

In a nutshell, this is a WUM with a blog.

Have you ever wondered where a WUM goes when he's banned? well, some of them simply start a blog.

Top · by **aCe'** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:07 am

come on now...
starting to sound a little bitter here...

besides the Gerrard part i dont think the guy said much wrong in the part u posted nan.. personally i wouldnt be saying anything nice about the mancs infront of any of em but fair play to the lad saying it like he sees it...

Top · by **fivecups** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:07 am

Very well said Sabre - I think he just wouldn't let it lie.

Nanny - he posted this on another forum and ended up getting banned. Take a deep breath if your going to read it! Stevie's not even in the top 10 worlds best midfielders.

Posted: Sat Oct 6th 2007 Title 'Gerrard must go'

I used to come on ths board and state the opinion that Steven Gerrard was an overrated, limited player and poor captain with neglible leadership skills - of course, I was slaughtered. However, I can sense many people on this board now becoming increasingly frustrated with Gerrard's poor form and :censored:

captaincy...

Rather ironically, I can see posters like 5euros and tehrafulation (sp) criticizing Gerrard when previously, they were my biggest detractors.

Well...

I told you so.

Gerrard is NOT a captain!

Never has been and never will be.

And to think some deluded people have the sheer cluelessness to label Gerrard Liverpool's 'greatest ever Captain'. It's just ludicrous.

The spectre of Steven Gerrard looms over Anfield like a cloud of negative energy. He needs to leave and Liverpool need a new Captain - it's as simple as that.

Of course, I will again get slaughtered for advancing that opinion bubt what the hell. I have advanced my detailed arguments many times re Gerrard so I don't need to go in depth here - just check my previous posts.

The simple fact is this: Liverpool have played their best football this season whilst Gerrard has been out of the team.

His impact as a player and captain diminishes all the time, and it's quite clear that, like Michael Owen, he values England above Liverpool.

Gerrard is NOT the greatest midfielder in the world; he is not even in the top ten in my view. He may be one of the most versatile in the world, but that doesn't make him the best.

The constant conundrum about 'where should Gerrard play' has become tiresome and redundant. He's been playing in his so called 'best position' for Liverpool and England and what is the end result? Zilch.

I think we can safely put that argument to bed. Gerrard has had his chance and has not delivered.

I said this in 2004, 2005 and 2006 and I'll say it again: Liverpool will NEVER win the title whilst Gerrard is Captain.

Furthermore, Liverpool will NEVER win the league whilst Rafa is in charge. I hate to say that as, unlike Gerrard, I have the greatest respect for Rafa. He is undoubtedly a world class Manager with all the attributes to be successful.

However, like Gerard Houllier, he suffers from a tragic flaw: His own stubbornness and unwillingness to compromise his footballing philosopy.

And like Houllier, this will be his eventual downfall, and is the main reason why Rafa will not succeed in the league.

Liverpool need a new Manager and a new captain.

In my view, the crucial point is this: Liverpool need a Manager who will adapt his methods and philosophy to fit the league, NOT a manager who adapts the demands of the league to fit his methods and philosophy.

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